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::Ive always been taught hand on heart[[User:Bohdan|Bohdan]] | ::Ive always been taught hand on heart[[User:Bohdan|Bohdan]] | ||
:::I'll try to do some "research" ;) [[User:Human|Human]] 23:21, 29 April 2007 (EDT) | :::I'll try to do some "research" ;) [[User:Human|Human]] 23:21, 29 April 2007 (EDT) | ||
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| + | I found this: | ||
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| + | The United States Code (4USC4) states that when delivering the Pledge of Allegiance, all must be standing at attention, facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. It also states that men not in uniform should remove any nonreligious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute. | ||
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| + | here: http://bensguide.gpo.gov/3-5/symbols/pledgeallegiance.html | ||
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| + | May I reinsert the word "salute" now? By the way, the hand on heart is a salute, for civilians and those out of uniform. [[User:Human|Human]] 23:24, 29 April 2007 (EDT) | ||
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| + | :When I hear the word salute I think of the of the military form in which a person puts a their hand to the temple. The word salute is kind of vague in that it can mean either way. I think it should say the right hand over the heart because then people will know exactly how to do it. If you use the word salute, people might think it is the other form. --[[User:AdrianP|AdrianP]] 23:31, 29 April 2007 (EDT) | ||
| + | ::Good point - how about both? Like, "while the pledge is recited, one stands at attention facing the Flag. Civilians and military out of uniform remove their hats and place their right hand over their heart, military in uniform stand at attention, salute, and remain silent." I think the uniformed military bit is important, GIs are always turning up stateside on visits, etc., dressed in their uniforms. But I agree, it should also be clear to civs ''exactly'' what they are supposed to do without having to go read the [[salute]] article. [[User:Human|Human]] 23:38, 29 April 2007 (EDT) | ||
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| + | ==Red Skelton== | ||
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| + | Has anyone here ever heard [[Red Skelton]]'s commentary on the Pledge of Allegiance? It's a rare chance to hear a serious talk by a man whose business was to bring people the joy of laughter. [http://www.poofcat.com/july.html audio] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 15:12, 30 April 2007 (EDT) | ||
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| + | Yes, when I was in Boy Scouts, his commentary was worked into a flag retirement ceremony. It was excellent, and sad to say, ahead of its time in some regards. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 15:16, 30 April 2007 (EDT) | ||
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| + | :"Wouldn't that be sad if they said [under God] was a prayer, and eliminated that from school too?" [ibid] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 15:17, 30 April 2007 (EDT) | ||
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| + | No then we could just go back to the traditional version which did not have "under God" added in and we would be good to go. [[User:Pibu|Pibu]] 22:53, 19 November 2007 (EST) | ||
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| + | ==Original Text== | ||
| + | Why was the original text of the pledge <s>censored</s> removed? It was cited and informative--[[User:WillB|WillB]] 18:37, 14 December 2008 (EST) | ||
Latest revision as of 23:37, December 14, 2008
This article could use some history of the Pledge, I think. Human 22:28, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
- I see the salute was removed. Don't those in uniform salute? (and check out the salute article, it defines both) I'm trying to remember my Boy Scout days, did we salute or do the "hand on my heart" thing? Human 23:18, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
I found this:
The United States Code (4USC4) states that when delivering the Pledge of Allegiance, all must be standing at attention, facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. It also states that men not in uniform should remove any nonreligious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute.
here: http://bensguide.gpo.gov/3-5/symbols/pledgeallegiance.html
May I reinsert the word "salute" now? By the way, the hand on heart is a salute, for civilians and those out of uniform. Human 23:24, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
- When I hear the word salute I think of the of the military form in which a person puts a their hand to the temple. The word salute is kind of vague in that it can mean either way. I think it should say the right hand over the heart because then people will know exactly how to do it. If you use the word salute, people might think it is the other form. --AdrianP 23:31, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
- Good point - how about both? Like, "while the pledge is recited, one stands at attention facing the Flag. Civilians and military out of uniform remove their hats and place their right hand over their heart, military in uniform stand at attention, salute, and remain silent." I think the uniformed military bit is important, GIs are always turning up stateside on visits, etc., dressed in their uniforms. But I agree, it should also be clear to civs exactly what they are supposed to do without having to go read the salute article. Human 23:38, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
Red Skelton
Has anyone here ever heard Red Skelton's commentary on the Pledge of Allegiance? It's a rare chance to hear a serious talk by a man whose business was to bring people the joy of laughter. audio --Ed Poor 15:12, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
Yes, when I was in Boy Scouts, his commentary was worked into a flag retirement ceremony. It was excellent, and sad to say, ahead of its time in some regards. DanH 15:16, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
- "Wouldn't that be sad if they said [under God] was a prayer, and eliminated that from school too?" [ibid] --Ed Poor 15:17, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
No then we could just go back to the traditional version which did not have "under God" added in and we would be good to go. Pibu 22:53, 19 November 2007 (EST)
Original Text
Why was the original text of the pledge censored removed? It was cited and informative--WillB 18:37, 14 December 2008 (EST)
