Talk:Atheism and deception
"Evolutionary Position Gradually Losing Public Support"
What does this have to do with the argument that evolutionists are deceitful? Moreover, what does public support have to do with the truth value of any idea? How many Americans believe that Elvis is still alive? Or in UFOs? Or Bigfoot? Or that Obama is a Muslim? Are any of these ideas more or less valid because of what the American people think about them? AliceBG 19:54, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
- I suggest you read the article several times until the obvious becomes more obvious to you. Conservative 21:06, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
- Because reading it is all you can do. You sure ain't going to be editing it. --DenningMR 21:08, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
- I suggest you read the article several times until the obvious becomes more obvious to you. Conservative 21:06, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
This page seems almost exclusively to concern evolutionism, not atheism per se. However strongly correlated, they shouldn't be conflated into a single ideological position. I realize that to the CP crowd the evils of liberalism, atheism, and evolutionism are interchangeable, but let's at least pretend we care about accuracy. --Osiris1723 00:47, 21 June 2009
- Osiris1723, I moved a sentence up for you so now it is the first sentence of the article. With that being said, if you want to post in the talk page instances of atheists deception in the Eastern world, Conservapedia would certainly consider including it in the article. conservative 13:23, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
Atheism, Evolution, "Social Darwinism", and Eugenics
Perhaps a good addition to this article would be a paragraph on the deception of atheists in regard to the eugenic position, and subsequent mass murder, favoured by Hitler, among others. They frequently decieve with the claim that these murderous acts were not based on Darwin's work, or were based on a misunderstanding. --LucyB 17:10, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
Atheism and lies
We might as well call it to what it is. It's not deception, it's just flat out lies without any solid evidence or reasoning whatsoever. This should definitely be renamed. --BriellaRollert 15:55, 26 May 2011 (EDT)
- Yes, and besides, we probably should list instances of Atheist lies other than those relating to evolution and eugenics. I got a start by listing Voltaire's attempting to deceive people into leaving the faith, as highlighted in Timothy Dwight's "Duty of Americans in the Present Crisis." from 1798:
- The Duty of Americans at the Present Crisis by Timothy Dwight, July 4, 1798
“About the year 1728, Voltaire, so celebrated for his wit and brilliancy and not less distinguished for his hatred of Christianity and his abandonment of principle, formed a systematical design to destroy Christianity and to introduce in its stead a general diffusion of irreligion and atheism. For this purpose he associated with himself Frederick the II, king of Prussia, and Mess. D’Alembert and Diderot, the principal compilers of the Encyclopedie, all men of talents, atheists and in the like manner abandoned. // “The principle parts of this system were: // “1. The compilation of the Encyclopedie: in which with great art and insidiousness the doctrines of … Christian theology were rendered absurd and ridiculous; and the mind of the reader was insensibly steeled against conviction and duty. // “2. The overthrow of the religious orders in Catholic countries, a step essentially necessary to the destruction of the religion professed in those countries. // “3. The establishment of a sect of philosophists to serve, it is presumed as a conclave, a rallying point, for all their followers. // “4. The appropriation to themselves, and their disciples, of the places and honors of members of the French Academy, the most respectable literary society in France, and always considered as containing none but men of prime learning and talents. In this way they designed to hold out themselves and their friends as the only persons of great literary and intellectual distinction in that country, and to dictate all literary opinions to the nation. // “5. The fabrication of books of all kinds against Christianity, especially such as excite doubt and generate contempt and derision. Of these they issued by themselves and their friends who early became numerous, an immense number; so printed as to be purchased for little or nothing, and so written as to catch the feelings, and steal upon the approbation, of every class of men. // “6. The formation of a secret Academy, of which Voltaire was the standing president, and in which books were formed, altered, forged, imputed as posthumous to deceased writers of reputation, and sent abroad with the weight of their names. These were printed and circulated at the lowest price through all classes of men in an uninterrupted succession, and through every part of the kingdom.”
Pokeria1 21:48, 28 April 2014 (EDT)
- Voltaire was a deist and not an atheist. "Since Voltaire's death millions upon millions of Bibles in numerous languages have flooded the world. Today most people in our country have a copy of the Bible, but few have the writings of Voltaire! He is dead and gone, but the Bible lives on."[1] Conservative 22:32, 28 April 2014 (EDT)
- You sure about that? Had he been a deist, why would he try to promote atheism and irreligion? Naturally, deists would ally with Christians simply because we and they both believe in a god, not try to destroy religion outright, especially Christianity. At least, trying to destroy Christianity was what Timothy Dwight seemed to indicate in his speech. And if France is today a Christian Theocracy rather than an irreligious country due in part to the French Revolution (something that France's article even stated explicitly), I'd have a lot more comfort about your statements that the bible lives on, but I'm not even sure about that, especially when education is cramming down our throats that religion, including Christianity, is dying out, with even America just barely scraping by (and believe me, speaking as a Christian, the mere idea that Christianity is dying out is not comforting to hear, and in fact is horrifying). Pokeria1 15:37, 29 April 2014 (EDT)
- Voltaire was a deist: Voltaire and French Deism Conservative 16:35, 29 April 2014 (EDT)
- You sure about that? Had he been a deist, why would he try to promote atheism and irreligion? Naturally, deists would ally with Christians simply because we and they both believe in a god, not try to destroy religion outright, especially Christianity. At least, trying to destroy Christianity was what Timothy Dwight seemed to indicate in his speech. And if France is today a Christian Theocracy rather than an irreligious country due in part to the French Revolution (something that France's article even stated explicitly), I'd have a lot more comfort about your statements that the bible lives on, but I'm not even sure about that, especially when education is cramming down our throats that religion, including Christianity, is dying out, with even America just barely scraping by (and believe me, speaking as a Christian, the mere idea that Christianity is dying out is not comforting to hear, and in fact is horrifying). Pokeria1 15:37, 29 April 2014 (EDT)
- Voltaire was a deist and not an atheist. "Since Voltaire's death millions upon millions of Bibles in numerous languages have flooded the world. Today most people in our country have a copy of the Bible, but few have the writings of Voltaire! He is dead and gone, but the Bible lives on."[1] Conservative 22:32, 28 April 2014 (EDT)
