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Couple of points

  • Interventionalism is an ugly kludge. The word should be "interventionism".
  • Some of the terms are just not Conservative in any meaningful way. For example "design by committee" is used by both Liberals and Conservatives to describe the same problem.
  • A word to describe Conservative concept may be worth calling a "Conservative word", but the mere fact that Conservatives like or dislike something doesn't mean the word is Liberal or Conservative. "Grassroots" isn't a Conservative word-- it's a word for local community activism, regardless of political bent. Ditto phonics. "Condescention" isn't a Liberal word, and it was originally, considered to be the Christian virtue of treating one's social inferiors as equals.
  • I don't know anyone who denies the effectiveness of abstinence, Liberal, Conservative, or pink-and-green-striped.

Pepperlynn 17:48, 23 February 2009 (EST)

Your first point is good, and I just changed it. You could have changed it yourself.
Your second point is baseless. The conservative terms do reflect conservative insights. Sure, sometimes liberals use them. Sometimes atheists quote from the Bible too.
Your third point again is misguided. Liberals say "community organizing" or "community activism." Conservatives say "grassroots". The concepts are different, though similar. Think about it more.
Your fourth point shows you don't yet recognize the liberal viewpoint in its full deceit. Stick around here and you will. Thanks and Godspeed.--Andy Schlafly 19:14, 23 February 2009 (EST)

Some suggestions

How about 'responsibility' (1737) and 'self-discipline' (1838)? MikeSalter 08:58, 10 January 2009 (EST)

Superb ideas!!! Fantastic. Please add them. I have some that will add also.--Andy Schlafly 09:19, 10 January 2009 (EST)

The list is good, but it doesn't say why they are conservative words. Perhaps something could be added related to this? Also, I have a suggestion: 'Rags to Riches'? *Hopeful* ETrundel 11:13, 10 January 2009 (EST)

What are the criteria for "conservative words" (as distinct from "liberal words"?) Reg32Idaho 14:10, 10 January 2009 (EST)

As per "radar", I suggest "sonar" and "laser" (also acronyms, from similar domain), and "radio".

(edit conflict) Words that express more precisely a conservative concept, or criticize more effectively a liberal characteristic. I'm going to insert Mike Salter's suggestions above, for example, and feel free to add your own.
The distribution of the words as a function of time (and perhaps what was happening at the time) will become illuminating.--Andy Schlafly 14:20, 10 January 2009 (EST)
P.S. I don't see sonar, laser and radio as adding any conservative insight.--Andy Schlafly 14:20, 10 January 2009 (EST)
Understood. But "radar" does? Reg32Idaho 14:27, 10 January 2009 (EST)
Yes, because it was the first and it has broader use than your other example.--Andy Schlafly 14:28, 10 January 2009 (EST)
I understand precedence going to the earliest word, but don't see how "radar" expresses more precisely a conservative concept, or criticizes more effectively a liberal characteristic. Reg32Idaho 14:33, 10 January 2009 (EST)
Your point is well-taken, and I agree this is borderline. However, I would still say that "radar" is a conservative concept/insight that is used effectively to convey a powerful conservative idea. Let's see what others think before deleting it.--Andy Schlafly 14:57, 10 January 2009 (EST)
Well, RADAR was created in Britain just before WW2 - indeed, it was one of the reasons why Britain defeated the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain. So I'm not really sure why it's on a list of American Conservative words when Britain is highly liberal by comparison to America. Also, I added one - 'self-determination'. ETrundel 15:13, 10 January 2009 (EST)


Frankly, I'm confused. I normally think of "radar" (in the non-scientific sense) as meaning perception. "In the public's radar" means "something the public notices." Is there a different conservative conception of the word? - Rod Weathers 15:14, 10 January 2009 (EST)
The inclusion of "radar" is debatable, but essentially it is a powerful self-defense mechanism conceptually analogous to the Reagan's concept of SDI and the Second Amendment, which liberals loathed.--Andy Schlafly 16:49, 10 January 2009 (EST)

Here's two:

  • pro-life (1976, though I'd prefer a better citation since the quote they have underneath is very anti-conservative.)
  • normalcy (1920 in the Conservative sense, although dated back to 1857 in a mathematical sense. In a rare glimmer of unbiased truth on a political subject, the WP article even states: "Furthermore, the concept apparently encapsulated what Americans wanted, since he was elected president over his Democratic opponent James Cox by the greatest margin since the popular vote was introduced.")

-Foxtrot 14:40, 10 January 2009 (EST)

Fantastic suggestions, both of them. Very insightful.--Andy Schlafly 14:57, 10 January 2009 (EST)

"elitism" (1947) - Seems to be used much more widely with this last election campaign. Reg32Idaho 15:26, 10 January 2009 (EST)

Conversely, "populism" and "grassroots," which have formed an important basis of conservative politics since 1980 (earlier?) - Rod Weathers 17:17, 10 January 2009 (EST)
"grassroots" is a good suggestion, and I just added it. "populism" is not a term used particularly by conservatives; nor does it yield any conservative insight that I am aware of.--Andy Schlafly 17:40, 10 January 2009 (EST)
Seriously? Populism is used continually to refer to Reagan, and more recently, George Bush and Sarah Palin, as they seek to speak for the "people" as opposed to "elites." Strikes me as deeply conservative. - Rod Weathers 17:44, 10 January 2009 (EST)
I don't doubt that liberals, the media, history books, and a diversity other people use the term. I doubt that any of the conservatives you mention, or any other conservatives, use the term much. It would be easy for you to prove me wrong, if I were wrong. I don't see anything conservative or insightful about the term. Majority rules? That's a mundane, almost meaningless concept at best. It begs the question of what the majority thinks at a particular time, which of course is very fickle.--Andy Schlafly 17:59, 10 January 2009 (EST)
Pat Buchanan calls himself a populist (though it notes Goldwater and Reagan would not use the term). [1] Rove calls Bush a populist on taxation [2]. I suppose there are two different concepts of the word: first, the classical "majority rules" idea which was rejected by the founding fathers in favor of checks and balances, and second, the modern term, conservative "populism," which refers to deriving your power from the people and relying on widely and deeply held conservative Christian values (example would be Palin's emphasis on the "real America" and blue collar workers) as opposed to deriving your power from intellectuals and media magnates. - Rod Weathers 18:21, 10 January 2009 (EST)
Phyllis Schlafly refers to the Goldwater ideology as populist, and she'd know! [3] - Rod Weathers 18:31, 10 January 2009 (EST)
The word populist has a far better tone than the word populism. Similarly, the word fundamentalist has a far better tone than fundamentalism. In political contexts, these are four completely different words. --RickD 18:32, 10 January 2009 (EST)
The problem comes when liberals attempt to use the terms as smears, and we stop using them as a result. I for one am proud to call myself a fundamentalist, and I know many other who feel the same way. - Rod Weathers 18:35, 10 January 2009 (EST)
Me too. I take pride in saying I believe in fundamentalism. All would agree that -ism added to almost any word gives it a negative tone, yes? For example, "science + t + ism = scientism" and scientism always refers to a bad set of science-related ideas. --RickD 18:42, 10 January 2009 (EST)

(Unindent) You have a point there. But now you have liberals calling muslim terrorists "fundamentalist muslims," to try to paint us with the same brush. - Rod Weathers 18:54, 10 January 2009 (EST)

The cites above are interesting but inconclusive. RickD's point in distinguishing "populist" from "populism" is superb. None of the above cites refer to "populism" in a conservative or even favorable light.--Andy Schlafly 19:00, 10 January 2009 (EST)

Some suggestions off the top of my head: Truth, Integrity those these are quite general I think they contrast well with the article on liberal deceit. JamesDW 21:16, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Pro-life

Andy, do you have a cite for the earlier attestation of "pro-life" than the one I provided? I think it's great that you've found a date that predates Roe v. Wade. -Foxtrot 18:38, 10 January 2009 (EST)

Atheism

It's not an English word; it's Greek. The claim is hardly "Silly," ASchlafly. But given your other claims on the page, IE that "quote mining" A: is a word and B: Was never invented, I guess I can forgive you for thinking that. RaymondS 00:04, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Use of the Adjective "New"

Is "new" the right word to be using for terms that originated in the 1600's and 1700's? `I'm not saying they should be removed from the list, but referring to them as "new" implies that they were originated with the modern conservative movement. Maybe these should be referred to as Powerful or Significant conservative words, which makes their date of origin irrelevant. --DinsdaleP 12:10, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Origins

I used the Oxford English Dictionary to correct the years of origin for some conservative words--Saxplayer 12:45, 11 January 2009 (EST)

You made a mess of the entry. For example, the date you inserted for "conservative" is not for the political sense used here. Now I have to clean up your mess ....--Andy Schlafly 13:13, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Then you should have made it clear you wished this to done in the current political context.--Saxplayer 13:20, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Be courteous, please. MikeSalter 13:22, 11 January 2009 (EST)
The atheism date may perhaps need changing too, in that case. In the 16th century it probably applied to matters in which there was no superficial need for God, or to people who had never been given a choice regarding the matter (for example, in the 16th century you could be burned for being a Protestant/Catholic or for witchcraft; imagine what they would do to a modern atheist!). Today, however, the term has been changed to mean one who has apparently voluntarily rejected God. I hope this helps; I also added racism to the list of Liberal words earlier. ETrundel 13:26, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Spiritualism

This may be a cultural/linguistic difference, but in the UK 'spiritualism' has a very specific meaning, of belief in communication with the dead. This was very popular in the early twentieth century, even Conan Doyle was a believer, but has since abated, though there are spiritualist 'churches' and mediums around. I would have said that 'spirituality' was the opposite of materialism, or 'religious feeling', 'religiosity', 'belief'. MikeSalter 13:10, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Not a cultural difference, but a plurality of definitions. Spirit-conjuring charlatans like to use the term, but in a philosophic context, ti's opposed to materialism. A similar opposite is "idealism," which also a number of unrelated non-philosophical definitions. - Rod Weathers 13:17, 11 January 2009 (EST)
I suggested dualism, which seems the best fit to me. Materialism can be phrased as the believe that everything boils down to matter, there is only one ontological world/realm and that's the realm of matter. I don't think there is an exact opposite of that (well, perhaps believing in no worlds at all, but that's just stupid), there are just alternatives like dualism and pluralism which believe in resp. two or more realms of existence and of these two dualism is the strongest held position.
Another kind of opposite would be idealism, the belief that there is only one ontological realm and that's the realm of the mind, but even this one is more of an alternative than an opposition and not a strong position either.
Anyways, asking for an opposite of materialism isn't very realistic, since it all depends on what you deem an opposite. What's the opposite of "one"? Is it zero, minus one, any number greater than one or "eno"? It all depends on the context, and in the context of ontological philosophy dualism is the strongest opposition to materialism. --TBrouwer 18:43, 11 January 2009 (EST)
The opposite would be a sensible equivalent of anti-materialism, or immaterialism.--Andy Schlafly 20:18, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Reversion

I had to revert many of Saxplayer's dates, and some minor edits were lost in the reversion. Feel free to reinstate if their quality is improved (e.g., spell "tyranny" correctly, or give a date of origin for "racism"). Thanks and Godspeed.--Andy Schlafly 13:33, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Conservapedia

Surely this must be one of the newest words that should earn a place! --JamesDW 23:09, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Definition / Categorisation

I'm reluctant to edit the page, as it may be reverted, but I have a suggestion for the opening. The term "conservative word" isn't defined, and could have many possible meanings, such as "a word coined by a conservative", or "a word for a conservative principle", or "a word commonly used by conservatives, but not by liberals or other groups". The list being produced includes examples of all these. Perhaps the page should therefore be split into accordingly different sections: "Words coined by conservatives to describe liberal principles", "Words which encapsulate conservative principles", "terms and concepts invented by conservatives", and so on.--Eoinc 10:53, 12 January 2009 (EST)

No, I disagree. The meaning is obvious enough and splintering into different categories would obscure rather than enlighten. Your three suggested "different" meanings in fact lack any significant differences.--Andy Schlafly 11:25, 12 January 2009 (EST)
I concur with ASchlafly. As well as obscuring the information, if I were to go onto a page and see in the contents box "Words coined by conservatives to describe liberal principles" or "Words which encapsulate conservative principles", I would quickly go and find another page. They hardly grab one's interest. ETrundel 11:42, 12 January 2009 (EST)

New word for 'liberal'?

Does anyone have any suggestions for a more descriptive word for 'liberal'? I find 'liberal' to be an unsatisfactory description for liberals in the present day, since they tend to support large government and curbs on freedom. Perhaps an alternative word would better sum up the set of views that liberals hold?--CPalmer 04:47, 3 February 2009 (EST)

--There are plenty of words to use in sarcasm, eg "lie-beral." Other than that, all that comes to mind is what some liberals call themselves: Progressive. Suricou 12:33, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

Fellow traveller

Is this a conservative word? I think its from the early 1900s and originally described communist sympathizers who did not belong to a communist party. It also might be a good word for now to describe your "terrorist sympathizer" situation.

Other suggestions: design-by-committee and democide. AddisonDM 13:53, 8 February 2009 (EST)

All three are superb suggestions for this entry. Please add them with informative material, such as date of first use. Well done!--Andy Schlafly 20:00, 10 February 2009 (EST)

New article -> New liberal words?

I believe we discussed this prior to the server move where we lost a weeks worth of edits. I remember creating a new article on New liberal words, by removing that section from this article. --DeanStalk 14:24, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Words?

Many of these are phrases not words. How long can a phrase get? Can Reagan's acceptance speech be listed as a new word? We need guidance on what a word is. --Brendanw 10:41, 18 February 2009 (EST)

What are you talking about? The vast majority are words. If you're genuinely so confused, then I doubt we can help you.--Andy Schlafly 10:44, 18 February 2009 (EST)
"Terms" would probably be a more accurate description than "words". However I assume that most people will be able to work things out from the examples given. AndyJM 10:47, 18 February 2009 (EST)
"affirmative action" is two words, "Affirmative" and "Action", a full 43% of the listed "Words" are really phrases like this, not including the words with hyphens. --Brendanw 19:38, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Humanism

Since Humanists and Big Bang were originally pejorative terms should they be under the conservative list? --Brendanw 19:38, 18 February 2009 (EST)

No, because they are liberal terms now. And I doubt their origin was conservative, either. Fred Hoyle was not a conservative. He was a liberal who rejected the theory of evolution.--Andy Schlafly 17:27, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Wasn't Hoyle ridiculing the idea of the Big Bang? I'll go take a look at the Fred Hoyle article. --Ed Poor Talk 17:30, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Yes, he was ridiculing it. But liberals adopted the term and made it popular.--Andy Schlafly 17:59, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Evolution is a separate issue. they are only united by the fact that they both are in the standard naturalistic view of the origin of the universe. --Brendanw 11:59, 22 February 2009 (EST)

We should make a unifying convention or get rid of the divide

There are words that belong in both groups, that or we need a clear convention used through out. Communism is most often used by Conservatives, its a sore subject for liberals (you know, with the millions killed and mass poverty and all) and they rarely talk about it. I just want a better convention than "because Andy figures this way is best". --Brendanw 13:17, 23 February 2009 (EST)

A new word?

Andy - "self determination"? It started around colonial times, so it could well be from the 1700's. ETrundel 13:45, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

Date is 1670, and I'm sure it's all that conservative. Sometimes it is a euphemism for something harmful, like communism in Cuba. But thanks for the suggestion!--Andy Schlafly 14:12, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
You're very welcome - I made the suggestion because I felt that it is one of the reasons that America freed Iraq (a move opposed by liberals and supported by conservatives); so that the people there could hold fair elections, rather than suffer under Hussein's despotism. At the end of the day though, you probably know more than me on this subject, so I'll defer to your wisdom! ETrundel 14:19, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
You raise interesting issues, but I think Saddam Hussein was also "self-determination" by Iraqis, right?--Andy Schlafly 14:20, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
(Edit conflict) Oh, and what about "survival of the fittest" for a liberal word? I noticed you mentioned it in your lecture. ETrundel 14:28, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
I think you're right about Saddam Hussein coming to power, but I also believe that towards the end of his reign many wanted him out, but were compelled to vote for him or else be punished (this is why I think the American system, with its two-term limit, is the best in the world). Mugabe is a good example of this; when he came to power, he was hailed as an African anti-oppression hero, and Zimbabwe was held up as an excellent example of post-colonialism. Now, however, his people want him out but are prevented from voting him out by the security forces (and when they did vote him out, it was declared illegal) and the world, including Africa, recognises him as a madman and a tyrant. In the meantime, the country is starving and in the grip of a cholera epidemic. ETrundel 14:28, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

Reversion explained

"Natural selection" is a misleading euphemism, and the explanation discusses why. Also, it's improper to refer to creationists accepting a claim by evolutionists as though that somehow fully resolves the matter.--Andy Schlafly 15:32, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

Affirmative Action is a conservative word?

Why is "affirmative action" considered a conservative word?

It was first used in JFK's Executive Order 10925 in 1961 (not 1965, as the essay states), and later "pushed" by LBJ.

Criticism of it is certainly a conservative concept, and it is now largely used critically by conservatives, but it hardly seems to qualify as a conservative "word" (or, more accurately, "term"). ArthurA 08:08, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Good point and etymology. I'll move it to the "difficult to classify" section.--Andy Schlafly 08:26, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Politically correct

I can't help but notice that this term appears in both the 'New Conservative Terms' and 'New Liberal Terms' section (along with two different dates and explanations). Obviously, it can't be both! While it would appear that it was indeed coined by liberals to help their cause, I would say that its meaning has flipped and it now has negative, oppressive connotations. Perhaps the 'Hard to Classify' section? However, I leave it up the the judgement of an admin to sort this conundrum out. ETrundel 12:13, 16 March 2009 (EDT) Oh, and 'survival of the fittest' to go with natural selection for a liberal term? (Before I forget!) ETrundel 12:15, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Fixed it per your suggestion, figuring that "politically correct" is used more by conservatives now. I don't think either side uses "survival of the fittest" and I think the euphemism "natural selection" covers that concept. Thanks and Godspeed.--Andy Schlafly 12:42, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
Can't say fairer than that. Thanks for the fix! ETrundel 12:56, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Some further suggestions for words

Constructionist (1835-1845): Clearly, a valuable term when discussing the original intent of the Founding Fathers; equally clearly, a conservative one.

Capitalism (1850-1855): Goes almost without saying.

Big Government (unable to find a date for this one)

Right to Life (1970-1975): Pro-life is already on the list, but I think this is an important term, too, since it emphasizes that life is an essential right.

Moral Sense (1690-1700): Originally coined by Anthony Ashley Cooper, Earl of Shaftesbury.

--Benp 17:51, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Virtual Thesaurus has an interesting essay, A Brief Glossary of Recession-Speak which may contain words appropriate for this article. --DeanStalk 18:31, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Constant

This word was in use a long time before 1832. It appears in the King James Bible, for example. Pepperlynn 23:12, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

Also, what, exactly, makes "constant" a "Conservative Word"? I don't see it. -CSGuy 00:12, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
Oh, and a reference for Pepperlynn: 1 Chronicles 28:7. -CSGuy 00:16, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
My dictionary says the noun form (something unchanging in value) originated in 1832. That's surprising, but it is what it is. That's what makes this an educational project.
I agree it's debatable how conservative this term is, but the notion of unchanging values seems conservative to me. You don't think so?--Andy Schlafly 09:18, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
The ideological attraction to unchanging values is conservative, but there is n conservative claim on the concept of constancy. Yours in Christ,--JWeatherman 22:46, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Questions

This is unlikely to be a popular view, and I can guess the sort of comments that might very well be sent my way as a result of this, but I believe that this article is deeply flawed and is setting a dangerous precedent in the context of political discussion here.

The second paragraph begins by stating that conservatism will inevitably triumph over liberalism. Conservatism and liberalism as political groupings only exist relative to each other. If every single person were tol hold conservative or liberal views then they would not be named as such. It glosses over the dynamic nature of these terms themselves. 'Liberals' or 'Conservatives' today do not believe the same things they did 10 years ago let alone 100. The words mean different things and I think it is naive to assume that their current connotations will remain consistent. Not only are the words themselves dynamic in their meaning but I cannot possibly see how any aspect of human history would lead to the conclusion that one set of political beliefs will 'triumph' over another, at least for more than a few decades. History has been shaped by conflicting ideologies and it seems completely against human nature to imagine that the future will be any different in this sense.

Although me calling this a 'dangerous precedent' is rather melodramatic I'll admit, I just think that it is rather odd to be claiming aspects of the English language as being inherently 'liberal' or 'conservative', although there are a very few obvious words linked clearly with one or the other, most on this list are simply normal words that have been 'claimed'. The whole process of selecting words is highly subjective, and to measure the 'dominance' of one ideology over the other by such a means seems a very strange way to go about it. Though there are a few words that can clearly be directly linked with conservatism or liberalism, this article has, in my opinion, taken it to the extreme. RobertWDP 21:14, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

Robert, I don't know why you expect such a backlash, or why your comment is so long-winded. I agree that a few of the words on the list are debatable, but the vast majority plainly are conservative or liberal in nature. And a comparison of the two lists is enlightening: the conservative words are more insightful, helpful, and durable. That speaks volumes about where we're headed.--Andy Schlafly 22:19, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
I'm sorry if my initial comment seemed somewhat ill-mannered, but all too often such discussions can result in the term liberal being thrown around as an insult rather than sticking to the issue, though I'm glad to see that I have been proven wrong thus far. And sorry if my posts are rather long-winded, that's just how I write I'm afraid. I still think that the way conservatism and liberalism are defined differently across the world and throughout history makes the compiling of any such list a futile task. Making claims as to how insightful or helpful a word is, is of course highly subjective. A self-styled liberal would probably say the exact opposite to yourself on the matter which means the debate never really gets anywhere. And I think the question of 'where we're headed' is far to complex to be answered using a few highly subjective words as a guide. Your country has just gone from a relatively conservative to a relatively liberal administration, and my own country looks quite likely to go back to conservative leadership after 12 years of labour. If there is one thing that history has taught us, i think it's that nothing remains constant for long. RobertWDP 22:45, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
That's your view, but the evidence is that the United States is growing more conservative just as the English language is. This entry shows that the creation of insightful new conservatives words is greater in quality and frequency than that of new liberal words. Over time, culture and politics must inexorably follow the lead of language. That doesn't mean a liberal politician won't use smoke-and-mirrors to be elected occasionally against the grain, but the flow dictated by language cannot be reversed. Ah, perhaps I've stumbled onto another new term: "smoke and mirrors"!--Andy Schlafly 17:12, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
Actually, Andy, I believe language turns more liberal over time. I agree with you regarding the new words, but like all languages, English does evolve. To describe the language as "conservative" would really require the number of words in it to be reducing, perhaps to something like 1984's Newspeak! Why do we have multiple words for the similar concepts? Plus, look at our syntax - it's nothing like the English of Shakespeare's time. Andyt 17:25, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
English adds new words. If you call that evolution, so be it. Others call it growth.
You're welcome to disagree with the direction of English's growth, but the evidence in this entry is overwhelming that English is becoming more conservative.--Andy Schlafly 17:33, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

Besides my main point, I would also counter by suggesting that it is language that follows the lead of culture, not the other way around. The language is of course part of the culture, but new words are only likely to come into existence when they have something to describe in the first place. It is cultural shifts that lead to the coining of new words and phrases and some become so well established that they enter the common vocabulary. RobertWDP 23:29, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

Big bang

You quite sure about that being used to mock the suggestion of how the universe was formed? I was under the impression that it was a scientific theory proposed by a few physicists, not a liberal word used to mock creationism. --Jack456 17:40, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

-- You're both wrong. When the big bang theory was first introduced, 'Big Bang' was a term used by scientists to mock what seemed at first like a ridiculous idea - leading scientific knowledge at the time was that the universe had no origin, but was sufficiently stable to have existed indefinatly. But when the evidence for the big bang theory became so compelling it replaced the old steady-state model, the name stuck, and ceased to be an insult. Suricou 12:37, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

Right. I'll see if the entry's description can be improved, and will do so. I also note that the term "politically correct" migrated it the opposite direction: it started out as a serious compliment, and then became known as an insult.--Andy Schlafly 14:33, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

New word

I've thought of a word to describe people who live in this (or any) country and take advantage of it, but spend all or most of their effort criticizing or demeaning it: misopatria (hatred of one's country), or misopatrist (one who hates his country). What do you think? AddisonDM 17:00, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

I like it a lot! I think I'll continue to use "traitor", though, at least for now. BHarlan 18:10, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
No thanks. Traitor is much more simple. --Jack456 18:13, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
Thanks BHarlan! Yes parodist Jack, we strive for simple words (hey, sounds like something called newspeak! AddisonDM 19:05, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

"Traitor" means something slightly different from what Addison suggests. Addison, how about adding your suggestion to the table in the entry that seeks a word for the concept? You're right that it describes millions of malcontents.--Andy Schlafly 21:48, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

Electricity

Electricity was a word created by William Gilbert 1646, and was researched by many great scientists, such as Robert Boyle, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Edison. I suggest it as a conservative word because it has allowed many great technological innovations through the ages, but is untainted by association with theories that carry a political agenda.

Interesting suggestion, but I don't see enough conservative insight in the largely neutral "electricity" term.--Andy Schlafly 15:24, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
I see your point, though electricity is currently opposed by many 'green' liberals who try to interfere with electricity production (see here).

Relativism

Are you sure that relativism is a conservative term? More often, the term is preached against by conservatives. JY23 15:45, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

It's a word created to criticize. The "-ism" ending is tell-tale sign of being pejorative. Examples of "isms" created or used by liberals to criticize are "isolationism" and "protectionism" and "creationism".--Andy Schlafly 23:23, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

Morally bankrupt

Thanks, Jpatt, for the insight!--Andy Schlafly 23:23, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
Pat Tillman was morally bankrupt?--KimSell 12:49, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

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