Conservapedia:Does History Matter?

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I argue that history does matter because otherwise you have a skewed and unrealistic perception of the way things really are. History is key to understanding one's current situation and the world in which one lives. To understanding the obstacles and dilemmas confronting today's society. You cannot fix the problem if you do not understand the problem. You cannot properly understand where you should stand if you do not understand the background of the groups which exist. In short, without an understanding of history, there is but confusion about oneself, about principles, about organizations, and about society. --Jzyehoshua 17:02, 20 July 2012 (EDT)

OF COURSE HISTORY MATTERS. This is ridiculous that the "No" section exists and that it's too defensive: An Amber Rant:

There's a requirement in our country that all students need to pass United States history in order to graduate. Imagine if students weren't taught history. They wouldn't be educated about the past. “History repeats itself” is a common phrase that speaks nothing but the truth. Growing up, we need to be well aware about what happened in history and how our government has functioned. We can learn from the past and know what not to do to our country. If we're not educated about history, people of higher power that are well-educated can manipulate what the truth of the past is for the uneducated. The dangers of people not paying attention to what’s around them enables realities to be manipulated, so people accept changes in reality, which ultimately creates the “Big Lie.” The “Big Lie” can be created if the past is erased because lies about the past become the truth. Therefore, in 2012, society needs to pay attention to their past and surroundings. Students don't have to pass United States history in high school for no reason; they need to learn their country's past in order to have a prosperous future. “Lies become truth” (George Orwell, 1984).

Perhaps people that are too engrossed in their RELIGION don't want to remember history because they're embarrassed of the separation of the church and the state. Perhaps if more individuals read about the Enlightenment in Europe, overly religious people would fear that more and more people would be inspired by the beautiful "Age of Reason," where individualism rather than strict morals and order seemed much more appealing to the eighteenth century people. That's why most people on this website disagree that history matters because they're religious, and history has shown tons of religious faults.

In a society today, history matters very much in the political aspect. Religion might continue to be embarrassed history, and politics can, too, but that's how any aspiring political leader learns. Everyone learns from mistakes. It wouldn't be a cliche phrase if it wasn't so true. How could any president become a sufficient leader if he or SHE didn't understand the making of the laws in the United States, how our government was formed. Presidents can learn from other presidents' terms and know what best works for our country.

It's funny that most people here site the bible for religious evidence, but isn't that historical? It's contradicting all of their arguments when they say that history doesn't matter.

How could we even have any opinions on modern day controversies today without seeing changes over time, without having a foundation (a history) of those modern day controversies?

Someone below implied that history doesn't matter to most teenagers. I'm just here letting you know that I'm a seventeen year old, and I think that learning about history can affect someone's views in the present. I see many people my age become too ignorant and forget about what the reality is like around them. This gives me zero faith in humanity. How many of them are going to be actual "somebodies" if all they care about is materialistic-oriented?

-- Amber


Just ask the average teen! --Peterporcaro 16:29, 11 November 2009 (EST)

Henry Ford said, "I don't know much about history, and I wouldn't give a nickel for all the history in the world. History is more or less bunk. It is tradition. We want to live in the present, and the only history that is worth a tinker's [darn] is the history we make today." George Santayana said "Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Who was closer to being right?

Contents [hide] 1 Henry Ford: "history is bunk" 2 George Santayana: "condemned to repeat" 3 Napoleon Bonaparte: "a lie agreed upon" 4 Other Perspectives 5 Nobody cares about history 6 Everything matters 7 Yes 8 History *does* matter. 9 Yes! 10 Geography 11 Abysmal 12 We Are History

[edit] Henry Ford: "history is bunk" If "...the only history that is worth a tinker's [darn] is the history we make today", than who's to say the history we make today will be cared about by our children? ;-). If we don't care about history now, than none of our descendants will care about us. Of course even if we do care about history, there's still a huge chance they still won't care about their past. --Ymmotrojam 18:22, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

I say let the govrnment take the history books and make their own history, then preach it to us Albobsman 13:03, 10 August 2007 (EDT)

I feel it is relevant to note that Henry Ford was a Nazi.

Actually, Henry Ford was a Nazi sympathizer but not an actual Nazi. Also, the quote is "history is more or less bunk." Just FYI. Pecant 20:45, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

[edit] George Santayana: "condemned to repeat" The perfect example of this is the nation of Israel. Fortunately though, we've got a good God. Even when Israel was disobeying God and repenting again... over and over again, God was still faithful to His promises. And if we repent and put our trust in Him alone, we can avoid repeating those bad things in history. --Ymmotrojam 18:35, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Napoleon Bonaparte: "a lie agreed upon" While this is the classic Wikipedia model, I hope Conservapedia can avoid being condemned to repeat this bunk. RobS 16:36, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

"Vulgas vult decepi" -Phaedrus 15BC-50AD. Translated as "The people wish to be deceived."--Roopilots6 10:40, 3 June 2007 (EDT) [edit] Other Perspectives If history doesn't matter, why don't we just make it so this wiki no longer stores the history of the pages that are created and edited ;-). --Ymmotrojam 18:30, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

Who is this guy above?...what a joker :) my point is this: History is a thing of the past hahahahahaha...seriously though, history is important and I think that if history is discarded then we not only remove the career option of archeologists etc, but also, people who have done great and brave things will be discarded also and things like the Holocaust should certainly not be forgotten as we must recognise this as a very terrible time. What about things like the 'Tower of Freedom' and its purpose of marking the dreadful day of the terror attack on the Twin Towers...are we really going to discard that...are we going to discard the Somme, D-Day, Napoleon, Stalin, The Beatles, yes The Beatles were a rock group but they have had a massive impact on the world...think about it, Liverpool firmly on the map, Strawberry Fields...Penny Lane...yes, an impact they have made. Also, to prevent disasters from happening such as the Mnt St Helens eruption, many lives could have been saved if only someone had looked at historical records of this volcanoe's previous eruptions and how they have occured and what happpened during the eruption. History is important in court cases and such if something has just been uncovered even though it may have happened decades ago. Are we able to discard history should be the question and the only answer to that is simple...NO!!! [User: bealecr] 16:09, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Nobody cares about history Hell, look at Afghanistan. You can go back to the 1700s or 1980s to see that nobody can win there. Or, re Iraq, you can go back to the 1970s and Vietnam and see that you can't "liberate" a country that (with substantial justification in both cases) sees you simply as a self-interested neo-colonial oppressor.

Or you can just go to the local library, fire up the microfiche machine and look at the past 50 years of gun crime in the US. At least Australian Prime Minister John Howard outlawed assault rifles after Martin Bryant massacred all those people in Port Arthur in 1996.

What's the next blast from the past we can look forward to from the US? Witch burnings, perhaps, or simply some good, old-fashioned lynchings (though they'd be Mexican illegal immigrants this time, no doubt). Perhaps California, Oregon and New York should secede. --AppalledBystander 06:29, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

What does it mean to "win" in Afghanistan? RobS 11:48, 18 April 2007 (EDT) I think he means essentially "conquer". Obviously, if no outside country can "win", the Afghanis must be "winning" the wars of invasion/colonization/conquest etc. Human 13:27, 18 April 2007 (EDT) If that's the meaning, then the basic premise is flawed. The US and NATO are not trying ot "conquer" Afghanistan. RobS 15:15, 18 April 2007 (EDT) Afghan history shows that any try from outside to conquer the country by military finally failed completely. Some success can definitely be reported regarding humanitarian support and building up basic infra structure, which surely needs protection through police forces and sometimes even military forces. Surely no perfect story and still much left to be done. The economy, i.e. farming is still mainly based on opium poppy. But even when slow, some progress has definitely been achieved. The number of children going to school sky rocketed, the number of girls in particular. So, history can teach you a lesson, but it cannot replace your own thinking. --schifra 07:40, 24 May 2007 (EDT) [edit] Everything matters How will you know where your going unless you know where you've been. Archaeological history, the history of the sun, moon, earth, ...etc. How else could people plan for the future unless they knew the history of the past. Which is why any historian worth their salt will get their information from multiple sources, archaeological artifacts and/or sites, and anthropological studies. History most definitely doesn't mean anything to those who try to rewrite it for selfish reasons. Such as political or assorted ideological purposes and used as propaganda to further their own agendas. Of which you will no doubt denote many examples of on this debate subject.--Roopilots6 20:10, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Yes We can learn from it.

Only from America could this question arise.

 - of course context matters
 - and of course we can learn from those who have gone before us

Mate...I totally agree!! In America, history is important too. Example: If someone had bothered to look at the history of Mnt. St. Helens' eruption, they would've realised that it will blow sideways. If they had but checked this, then many more lives would've been saved. I can't believe that apparently nobody cares about their history, about the sacrifices people made so that we could be alive today. Just less than 100 years ago and again in 1939, thousands of brave men risked it all, laid down their lives so that we may speak English that we would retain our cultures, our pride, even so that we may live today and I'm sure they didn't do all this so that some idiot could say that they didn't care about history. Whoever that was is an ignorant pig and no I don't think that this view about the person is without evidence. I truly can not believe that someone thinks it appropriate to not recognise the importance of history, as history has shaped us, shaped whole cultures, whole countries, shaped the entire world.

[edit] History *does* matter. There are things in history that should NEVER EVER be forgotten. If "history does not matter", this technically would encompass things such as the second world war, or the reasons that lead to it; also forgotten would be the sacrifices millions of people made during that war, and all the inhumane atrocities carried out by people of those times: Nazi Germany´s horrifying human experiments, the Japanese-carried out atrocities in China, Soviet Russia and all the "good" their communist ideals did to the world, or the Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Actually, "history" would technically encompass even the events of the Bible.

Still some of you dare say "History does not matter?" FreakyM 07:22, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

Coming in contact with other cultures one will notice a lot of differences. Which way is right is often a moot discussion, in particular when neglecting the historical background of these differences.History matters because we can learn from the mistakes that the world has made and use it to our benefit.

[edit] Yes! As Winston Churchill said, "If we do not study history we are doomed to repeat it". Also from a Christian's perspective, we can learn about God's grace, sovereignty, etc. from history, and it helps us understand other cultures and religions. Mschel 11:25, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

NEVAR FORGET. Seriously though, history is crucial to morality and civilisation - but only so long as it is accurate. So many conflicts in the world today could be resolved if only people had access to unfiltered accounts of their people's histories, as both victims and aggressors. When it becomes warped and distorted to suit an ideology, revisionist history can be every bit as poisonous as organised religion. Underscoreb 22:01, 11 November 2007 (EST)

Yes history matters. Knowledge of one's own nation is very important. It is very important to realize though that history took place in a different place, and often times the tale from history that is widely disseminated is only a superficial recounting that leaves out many things that the historian does not agree with. For instance many people know that during Washington's farewell address he warned the nation to stay away from entangling foreign relations. In fact political parties have been created around this principal. But what is less well known is that he also warned about the dangers of political parties. So history is important, but so is actually researching the information yourself and not taking another person's word for it. Rellik 20:02, 13 March 2008

Short answer, yes - see future(EDT)

[edit] Geography If history matters its only because geography made it so. History and Geography/Geology invariably linked. Look at any historical event or any current event.

The city of Venice, founded in a swampy marsh because Milanese (descendent's of Romans) were being attacked by barbarians. Found the marsh easily defensible. Discover of America, Columbus searching for a quick way to Asia Liberation of Kuwait 1991, Iraq invaded Kuwait seizing (then)25% of the worlds oil reserves. California, population quickly surged because of the Gold Rush, spawning statehood, more general westward expansion and a Trans-Atlantic railroad. The state of Utah, Mormons chased out of Missouri, settled at an 'oasis in the desert', would have likely been chased out of California. People who don't know history don't know geography either, both are important even though their effects are so large they are not entirely self evident with regard to the daily lives of individuals.--Mitrebox 19:11, 26 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Abysmal There are almost no historical articles on conservpedia. Sections regarding historical events or topics barely have a single paragraph. Users should focus on that more. The problem I see here is various religious fanatics focusing on defacing science and blaming everything on commies and liberals. Intranetusa 14:10, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

[edit] We Are History History is everything, and everything will become history. Without history, you know nothing. Those who control the past control the present. Those who control the present, control the future. It is for prcisely these resons that US power is waning, for there is no in depth understanding of world history, not in terms of facts, but in terms of applying the lessons of history to the present situation. --Krysg 19:15, 28 November 2008 (EST)

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Even if you aren't living right now in the past, what happened then still happens now. If you're ignorant of that you might as well lack language, technology, and rebuild civilization every year. History is what gives us foresight. It lets us know why and how we are in whatever situation we are in, and how to get out.