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But this 90/10 rule is senseless. It can be used to ban anybody at any time by anyone for any reason. It needs to either go or undergo a serious revamp, like defining how many total edits are required for rule violation. I think at least 50 edits should be required before the rule can be violated, otherwise it allows banning new users if they say anything that's disagreed with. Clearly 90% is not even a line in the sand right now either, as the aforementioned user was banned for 75% talk page edits over a 4-edit period. That's ridiculous. If the site wants to ban users for pro-liberal viewpoints or page changes that's fine, but at least clearly state it in policy. That still leaves no explanation for a silly rule like the 90/10, which is acting as a catch-all to allow moderators to ban whoever they feel like. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 07:57, 4 September 2012 (EDT)

But this 90/10 rule is senseless. It can be used to ban anybody at any time by anyone for any reason. It needs to either go or undergo a serious revamp, like defining how many total edits are required for rule violation. I think at least 50 edits should be required before the rule can be violated, otherwise it allows banning new users if they say anything that's disagreed with. Clearly 90% is not even a line in the sand right now either, as the aforementioned user was banned for 75% talk page edits over a 4-edit period. That's ridiculous. If the site wants to ban users for pro-liberal viewpoints or page changes that's fine, but at least clearly state it in policy. That still leaves no explanation for a silly rule like the 90/10, which is acting as a catch-all to allow moderators to ban whoever they feel like. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 07:57, 4 September 2012 (EDT)

It also needs to be clearly specified the rule does not apply to debate topics. There's no point in having a debate section if users can be banned for discussing there. Edits made to the debate section should not count at all. It makes zero sense to say we want to discourage the incessant talking of other sites when we have a debate topics section that other wikis don't have! --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 08:02, 4 September 2012 (EDT)

It also needs to be clearly specified the rule does not apply to debate topics. There's no point in having a debate section if users can be banned for discussing there. Edits made to the debate section should not count at all. It makes zero sense to say we want to discourage the incessant talking of other sites when we have a debate topics section that other wikis don't have! And if we allow banning for opposing points of view in the debate topics section, then it makes the debate section pointless. What point is there in having a debate section where only one side is allowed to present their points? That is ridiculous. I debate constantly from socially conservative points of view, but there's no point in debating only those you agree with, you never learn anything or say anything that needs to be heard. You'll never convince anyone allowing only one side to present their arguments. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 08:02, 4 September 2012 (EDT)