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I believe most people have free will, but in at least some cases it appears evident that they were destined to play some great role long before. However, this does not justify the Catholic teaching that Judas was forgiven by God:

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{{Bible quote|For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.|book=Acts|chap=1|verses=20|version=KJV}}

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{{Bible quote|Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning '''Judas''', which was guide to them that took Jesus. For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood. For it is written in the book of Psalms, '''Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.'''|book=Acts|chap=1|verses=16-20|version=KJV}}

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{{Bible quote|Let their habitation be desolate; and let none dwell in their tents. For they persecute him whom thou hast smitten; and they talk to the grief of those whom thou hast wounded. Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness. Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.|book=Psalms|chap=69|verses=25-28|version=KJV}}

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{{Bible quote|'''Let their habitation be desolate'''; and let none dwell in their tents. For they persecute him whom thou hast smitten; and they talk to the grief of those whom thou hast wounded. Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness. Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.|book=Psalms|chap=69|verses=25-28|version=KJV}}

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{{Bible quote|Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand. When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin. ''''Let his days be few; and let another take his office.''' Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow. Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places. Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangers spoil his labour. Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any to favour his fatherless children. Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out. Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD; and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out. Let them be before the LORD continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth. Because that he remembered not to shew mercy, but persecuted the poor and needy man, that he might even slay the broken in heart. As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him. As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones. Let it be unto him as the garment which covereth him, and for a girdle wherewith he is girded continually. Let this be the reward of mine adversaries from the LORD, and of them that speak evil against my soul.

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|book=Psalms|chap=109|verses=6-20|version=KJV}}

--[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 04:17, 5 September 2012 (EDT)

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