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→‎Strange change of perspective: A stronger reason is because it is more compelling for non-Christians and less educated, an audience John surely wanted to feel the tug of this verse.
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:A better suggestion might be to use "the world". (a) It's been used for thousands of years, (b) it is the most literally translation, (c) it doesn't destroy the beautiful lyrical prose of John's writing, (d) everyone already knows that it means that God loves all His children, and (e) the only reason not to use it is as a comeback to some perceived political offense. [[User:PeterRyan|PeterRyan]] 16:25, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
 
:A better suggestion might be to use "the world". (a) It's been used for thousands of years, (b) it is the most literally translation, (c) it doesn't destroy the beautiful lyrical prose of John's writing, (d) everyone already knows that it means that God loves all His children, and (e) the only reason not to use it is as a comeback to some perceived political offense. [[User:PeterRyan|PeterRyan]] 16:25, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
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::I respectfully disagree:
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:::(a) "It's been used for thousands of years" - the [[KJV]] is barely 400 years ago.  English has not even existed for thousands of years.
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:::(b) "it is the most literally translation" - Strongs provides alternative literal translations that are no less legitimate than "world".
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:::(c) "it doesn't destroy the beautiful lyrical prose of John's writing" - "us" is even more beautiful than "world".
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:::(d) "everyone already knows that it means that God loves all His children" - most of the world is not even Christian, so I doubt this claim is true.
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:::(e)"the only reason not to use it is as a comeback to some perceived political offense" - that's not only one reason for using "us".  A stronger reason is because it is more compelling for non-Christians and less educated, an audience John surely wanted to feel the spiritual tug of this verse.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 16:47, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
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