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Alright, I just removed the following sentence from the 1996 section:

Alright, I just removed the following sentence from the 1996 section:

{{cquote|In 1995 Obama openly sought and obtained the endorsement of the [[Marxist]] [[New Party]] in his quest to be elected to the Illinois State Senate.<ref>[http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7434 NEW PARTY (NP)], discoverthenetwork.org.</ref><ref>Rick Moran. [http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/06/obamas_alliance_with_marxists.html Obama's Alliance with Marxists], ''American Thinker'', June 03, 2008.</ref>}}

{{cquote|In 1995 Obama openly sought and obtained the endorsement of the [[Marxist]] [[New Party]] in his quest to be elected to the Illinois State Senate.^{[http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7434 NEW PARTY (NP)], discoverthenetwork.org. ; Rick Moran. [http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/06/obamas_alliance_with_marxists.html Obama's Alliance with Marxists], ''American Thinker'', June 03, 2008.}}}

I made a new section on this at the end of the article. Frankly, I just wanted to remove the section from the 1996 section because it makes the whole thing look bad. I don't really care about his New Party or ACORN affiliations but I know many conservatives care about them, so I didn't want to delete the sentence and wanted to see if I could move it somewhere else, and maybe provide some more detail to give it a small subsection somewhere. I didn't think much of the sources it had so I figured I'd see if I could find any decent sourcing and information for it. In the process, I found out it had articles relating to it at National Review, Politico, and by Billy Hallowell (a FOX News contributor), plus had been addressed by Obama's "Fight the Smears" campaign and David Axelrod. Plus it's still relevant in 2012.  

I made a new section on this at the end of the article. Frankly, I just wanted to remove the section from the 1996 section because it makes the whole thing look bad. I don't really care about his New Party or ACORN affiliations but I know many conservatives care about them, so I didn't want to delete the sentence and wanted to see if I could move it somewhere else, and maybe provide some more detail to give it a small subsection somewhere. I didn't think much of the sources it had so I figured I'd see if I could find any decent sourcing and information for it. In the process, I found out it had articles relating to it at National Review, Politico, and by Billy Hallowell (a FOX News contributor), plus had been addressed by Obama's "Fight the Smears" campaign and David Axelrod. Plus it's still relevant in 2012.  

==Page has too many kbs==

==Page has too many kbs==

This age is ''WAY'' too heavy for updating the Intro and I can't wait 2 hours to make these minor changes. Can someone who actually cares please add,

This age is ''WAY'' too heavy for updating the Intro and I can't wait 2 hours to make these minor changes. Can someone who actually cares please add,

* the U.S. Government's credit rating, for the first time in its history, was downgraded, and [[poverty]]<ref>[http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/incpovhlth/2009/pov09fig04.pdf Figure 4: Number in Poverty and Poverty Rate: 1959-2009]. ''U.S. Census Bureau''. Current Population Survey, 1960 to 2010 Annual Social and Economic Supplements.</ref> increased markedly every year.<ref>[http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-20105376.html Poverty continues to rise in U.S., now 15.1%], CBS News.</ref>

* the U.S. Government's credit rating, for the first time in its history, was downgraded, and [[poverty]]^{[http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/incpovhlth/2009/pov09fig04.pdf Figure 4: Number in Poverty and Poverty Rate: 1959-2009]. ''U.S. Census Bureau''. Current Population Survey, 1960 to 2010 Annual Social and Economic Supplements.} increased markedly every year.^{[http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-20105376.html Poverty continues to rise in U.S., now 15.1%], CBS News.}

I realize I am penalized 9 mainspace edits for asking for this help, but some, if not much of the Intro citations are two years out of date. [[User:OscarO|OscarO]] 11:38, 29 September 2012 (EDT?)

I realize I am penalized 9 mainspace edits for asking for this help, but some, if not much of the Intro citations are two years out of date. [[User:OscarO|OscarO]] 11:38, 29 September 2012 (EDT?)

:Could the group agree on creating three major subpages such as "Obama Presidency", then move the current content to the subpages and have only a summary paragraph in this article for each of the subpages?  That would give this article a readable length.  It would also make editing easier and page loading quicker. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 06:49, 12 October 2012 (EDT)

:Could the group agree on creating three major subpages such as "Obama Presidency", then move the current content to the subpages and have only a summary paragraph in this article for each of the subpages?  That would give this article a readable length.  It would also make editing easier and page loading quicker. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 06:49, 12 October 2012 (EDT)

I think we all know it's important that articles such as this one include only the major and necessary contexts, because obviously subpages (on ideology, religion, etc.) can be linked to to establish further context and details. Obviously before starting anything too drastic I'd like to make sure that there's community support for such a downsizing; to give you all some idea:

I think we all know it's important that articles such as this one include only the major and necessary contexts, because obviously subpages (on ideology, religion, etc.) can be linked to to establish further context and details. Obviously before starting anything too drastic I'd like to make sure that there's community support for such a downsizing; to give you all some idea:

*[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Barack_Hussein_Obama&diff=867430&oldid=866477 '''This link'''] is the general finalization of the work that was done at the update page compared with what the article was prior to the update. Further updates were made, obviously, but that diff is the general sense of what we tried to achieve.

*[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Barack_Hussein_Obama&diff=867430&oldid=866477 '''This link'''] is the general finalization of the work that was done at the update page compared with what the article was prior to the update. Further updates were made, obviously, but that diff is the general sense of what we tried to achieve.

*[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Barack_Hussein_Obama&diff=1019134&oldid=867562 '''This link'''] is everything that has happened since (about) that. Obviously a little expansion is expected; major events have occurred and an election was held - but the article size was more than tripled (we had gotten it down to about 35 kb i believe). I figured this was not worth mentioning during the election, but since the election has passed I think we once again have an opportunity to look at the article with more perspective and trim it - as is necessary for the page to work on all browsers (according to the wiki software). Thoughts before I create a second update page (which will also have a talk page for more thoughts) - I plan on waiting some time before doing this so feel free to take your time.--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 13:04, 22 November 2012 (EST)

*[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Barack_Hussein_Obama&diff=1019134&oldid=867562 '''This link'''] is everything that has happened since (about) that. Obviously a little expansion is expected; major events have occurred and an election was held - but the article size was more than tripled (we had gotten it down to about 35 kb i believe).  

I figured this was not worth mentioning during the election, but since the election has passed I think we once again have an opportunity to look at the article with more perspective and trim it - as is necessary for the page to work on all browsers (according to the wiki software). Thoughts before I create a second update page (which will also have a talk page for more thoughts) - I plan on waiting some time before doing this so feel free to take your time.--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 13:04, 22 November 2012 (EST)