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::As a kiwi, all I can say is that I hope and pray that Cooper recovers fully and is fit and selected for every game against the All Blacks. :) Speaking as an Australasian, I think that there has been a slightly arrogant attitude from the sporting public here that our sportsman are clean. I remember people saying how great it was that there was a clean winner of the tour de France after Cadel Evans won - as if he couldn't be dirty because he's one of us. Personally I have my doubts about the Aussie swimming team, some of our rowers and even Valerie Adams. I think we have been incredibly naieve and we will have our comeuppance. --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 16:49, 10 February 2013 (EST)
::As a kiwi, all I can say is that I hope and pray that Cooper recovers fully and is fit and selected for every game against the All Blacks. :) Speaking as an Australasian, I think that there has been a slightly arrogant attitude from the sporting public here that our sportsman are clean. I remember people saying how great it was that there was a clean winner of the tour de France after Cadel Evans won - as if he couldn't be dirty because he's one of us. Personally I have my doubts about the Aussie swimming team, some of our rowers and even Valerie Adams. I think we have been incredibly naieve and we will have our comeuppance. --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 16:49, 10 February 2013 (EST)
::Heading out the door - will speak later.[[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 16:56, 10 February 2013 (EST)
::Heading out the door - will speak later.[[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 16:56, 10 February 2013 (EST)
:::Son's 26th. Took daughter to get cake ingredients (incl. NZ chocolate.) It's good to have an expert cake-maker in the family.
:::I think Cooper's heading back to League. Had a hissy fit a coupla months ago about his treatment by the ARU. I think Cadel is clean - he came up nice and slowly, was there or thereabouts for a few years, never did anything spectacular, rode for various teams, got his act together with good support riders for that win, then age started to tell. As far as the Aust. swim team is concerned I don't know. I don't think there is institutionalised cheating but that may be inbuilt patriotic denial. The boys' failure in London was a lack of commitment - they were having a good time. Shot putters are like weight lifters - it's almost a given that there is dirt not too far away.
:::You can read too much into things. I have watched the odd Six Nations game recently. I saw Italy beat France, various teams beat Scotland, then Scotland beat Italy. There is something suspicious there, but only if you want to there to be. (Like turning off the lights to aid the 49ers.)
:BTW Ricky's still at it - hit 200 not out a few days ago against NSW. And Watson's back - thumped the Windies around for 121 in 111 balls. (But I won't mention Saturday at Eden Park. :)) [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 19:00, 10 February 2013 (EST)