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| | ::::The "slanderer" translation does not fit in the context of the [[Three Temptations of Christ]]. The devil was not slandering anyone then. What the devil was doing was trying to derail or create a chaotic disruption to God's order and purpose.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:43, 3 March 2013 (EST) | | ::::The "slanderer" translation does not fit in the context of the [[Three Temptations of Christ]]. The devil was not slandering anyone then. What the devil was doing was trying to derail or create a chaotic disruption to God's order and purpose.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:43, 3 March 2013 (EST) |
| | :::::It fits fine. It is not a translation. It's his name, or really the kind of thing he is, in every use you're referring to, not a reference to some action he is taking. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 10:59, 3 March 2013 (EST) | | :::::It fits fine. It is not a translation. It's his name, or really the kind of thing he is, in every use you're referring to, not a reference to some action he is taking. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 10:59, 3 March 2013 (EST) |
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| | + | For the record: |
| | + | *διαβάλλωv has never been used in the sense of "to throw things around", especially not "in the sense of creating the chaos". This is a mistranslation of διά, which mainly means "through". |
| | + | *διάβόλος has only been used in the sense of slanderer, '''διάβόλος has never been used in the sense of creator of chaos.''' There is no Greek lexicon which supports this "translation", it is pure fiction. |
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| | + | Therefore the sentence "(from the Greek word διαβολοξ (diábolos), which means "one who throws things around" in the sense of creating the chaos, or "slanderer" in the sense of name-calling or "throwing" false accusations)" is absolutely wrong. I'm sorry that Luke didn't use the word Andrew Schlafly thinks he should have used, but that cannot (and should not) be changed. Yes, a slanderer can create chaos and still be called a slanderer. |
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| | + | Is it really necessary to stress the fact that there is a difference between '''translation''' and '''exegesis'''? Though in this case the technical term seems to be '''making stuff up'''. Andrew Schlafly is putting his own interpretation into the translation - that's not longer translating, that's torturing scripture. Again: |
| | + | {{cquote|Μαρτυρῶ ἐγὼ παντὶ τῷ ἀκούοντι τοὺς λόγους τῆς προφητείας τοῦ βιβλίου τούτου· ἐάν τις ἐπιθῇ ἐπ’ αὐτά, ἐπιθήσει ὁ θεὸς ἐπ’ αὐτὸν τὰς πληγὰς τὰς γεγραμμένας ἐν τῷ βιβλίῳ τούτῳ, Μαρτυρῶ ἐγὼ παντὶ τῷ ἀκούοντι τοὺς λόγους τῆς προφητείας τοῦ βιβλίου τούτου· ἐάν τις ἐπιθῇ ἐπ’ αὐτά, ἐπιθήσει ὁ θεὸς ἐπ’ αὐτὸν τὰς πληγὰς τὰς γεγραμμένας ἐν τῷ βιβλίῳ τούτῳ, Λέγει ὁ μαρτυρῶν ταῦτα, Ναί, ἔρχομαι ταχύ. Ἀμήν, ἔρχου κύριε Ἰησοῦ.|||[[Revelation_16-22_(Translated)#22:18|Rev 22:18-20]]}} |
| | + | --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 10:59, 5 March 2013 (EST) |