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::'' if it takes dunking a terrorist in water, we [the good folks in the Heartland] are all for it, '''if it saves American lives'''."
::'' if it takes dunking a terrorist in water, we [the good folks in the Heartland] are all for it, '''if it saves American lives'''."
:''The Guardian'' conventiently left off both the hypothetical nature of the question, more specifically, and most importantly, ''the qualifier'', "'''if it saves American lives'''". Neither the "No brainer" headline they ran with, or the article abstract, carry the qualifier to the hypothetical, "torture is a no-brainer '''if it saves American lives'''." Thus by no tortured reasoning now can any of these sources, including the White House transcript, be used in this article. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 15:50, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
:''The Guardian'' conventiently left off both the hypothetical nature of the question, more specifically, and most importantly, ''the qualifier'', "'''if it saves American lives'''". Neither the "No brainer" headline they ran with, or the article abstract, carry the qualifier to the hypothetical, "torture is a no-brainer '''if it saves American lives'''." Thus by no tortured reasoning now can any of these sources, including the White House transcript, be used in this article. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 15:50, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
I'm sorry, why can't we use a White House transcript to say what Dick Cheney said? You seem to be slightly off base on a lot of these arguments, but I really fail to see why a primary source of what Dick Cheney said doesn't properly explain what Dick Cheney said.-'''<font color="#007FFF">Ames</font><font color="#FF0000">G</font>'''<sub>[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG yo!]</sub> 15:53, 13 April 2007 (EDT)