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--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:31, 15 May 2013 (EDT)
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:31, 15 May 2013 (EDT)
::Perhaps either AugustO or Ed Poor can help me, but other than on recent wikis where the quotation mark and the italic notation can be easily confused, I have never seen italic font used as a stand-alone indication of a block quotation. I have seen italic used for titles or books or for emphasis or for foreign language words, but not as a replacement for quotation marks. Any sources for this alternative would be appreciated. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 10:56, 15 May 2013 (EDT)
::Perhaps either AugustO or Ed Poor can help me, but other than on recent wikis where the quotation mark and the italic notation can be easily confused, I have never seen italic font used as a stand-alone indication of a block quotation. I have seen italic used for titles or books or for emphasis or for foreign language words, but not as a replacement for quotation marks. Any sources for this alternative would be appreciated. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 10:56, 15 May 2013 (EDT)
:A very good question! Conservapedia states in its [[Conservapedia:Formatting conventions]]:
::''Italic sections of text are usually used to portion off a portion of text, indicating it is integral to the sentence without being part of its continuation. ''
:But while wikipedia don't like when you put quotes in italics
::''For quotations, use only quotation marks (for short quotations) or block quoting (for long ones), not italics. (See Quotations below.) This means that (1) a quotation is not italicized inside quotation marks or a block quote just because it is a quotation, and (2) italics are no substitute for proper quotation formatting. ''
:Conservapedia doesn't address the matters (as far as I could see). Instead, Conservapedia offer some templates which try to do the job.
:*<nowiki>{{Quote}} or {{Q}}</nowiki>
{{Q|the Greek hero who spent ten years fighting his way home, spurning wealth, fame, and the promise of immortality to reclaim his family.}}
:This template expects an author, so it can't be used in our special case:
{{Q|the Greek hero who spent ten years fighting his way home, spurning wealth, fame, and the promise of immortality to reclaim his family.|John Taylor Gatto}}
:Note how the text gets italicized, and is included in quotation marks: but this template is only used eleven times on this wiki.
:*<nowiki>{{Quote box}}</nowiki>
{{Quote box|the Greek hero who spent ten years fighting his way home, spurning wealth, fame, and the promise of immortality to reclaim his family.}}
:*<nowiki>{{Quotebox}}</nowiki>
{{Quotebox|the Greek hero who spent ten years fighting his way home, spurning wealth, fame, and the promise of immortality to reclaim his family.}}
:*<nowiki>{{Quotebox2}}</nowiki>
{{QuoteBox2|quote=the Greek hero who spent ten years fighting his way home, spurning wealth, fame, and the promise of immortality to reclaim his family.|source=John Taylor Gatto}}
:''QuoteBox2'' is used ten times on Conservapedia, ''Quotebox'' 422 times, ''Quote box'' only 1 time. Clearly they aren't very popular.
:*<nowiki>{{Cquote}}</nowiki>
{{Cquote|the Greek hero who spent ten years fighting his way home, spurning wealth, fame, and the promise of immortality to reclaim his family.}}
:This is the most popular version, used over 1500 times.
:My conclusion:
:#The main feature of a quotation are - surprise, surprise - the quotation marks. Especially for short quotes, they shouldn't be omitted. I haven't used them regularly in the past (see the first quotations in this section), but I'll do so henceforth.
:#Conservapedia is mute on the use of italics to mark a quote. But perhaps we should follow wikipedia's lead and just don't do so
:#Indenting via ::: alone is not enough to mark a section as a long quote, at least <nowiki><blockquote> .. </blockquote></nowiki> should be used - this indents the quote from the left and the right margin. A longer quotation should use one of the templates - best probably <nowiki>{{cquote}}</nowiki>.
:Any thoughts? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 11:50, 15 May 2013 (EDT)