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::::Swordsman, you said the issue is "spiritual". Jesus said, "You shall know them by their fruits." If evolution loving [[Liberal Christianity]] is so spiritual, then why do they commit adultery more often and theologically conservative Christians? See: [[Liberal Christianity and marital infidelity]]. If evolution loving liberal Catholics and the evolution loving liberal Roman Catholic hierarchy are so spiritual, then why do so many Catholics fail to read the Bible compared to evangelical Christians?[http://www.crisismagazine.com/2009/why-catholics-dont-read-the-bible] If the Western Roman Catholic hierarchy is so spiritual, then why did Bill Donahue of the Catholic League say the Roman Catholic Church pederasty problem was the result of homosexual priests and cite statistics supporting his point? [http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexuality_and_pederasty#Roman_Catholic_Church.2C_Homosexuality_and_pederasty] Anytime you want to stop pretending that liberal Catholics and liberal Protestants (theologically liberal) are godly, that would be fine with me. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:33, 16 June 2013 (EDT)
::::Swordsman, you said the issue is "spiritual". Jesus said, "You shall know them by their fruits." If evolution loving [[Liberal Christianity]] is so spiritual, then why do they commit adultery more often and theologically conservative Christians? See: [[Liberal Christianity and marital infidelity]]. If evolution loving liberal Catholics and the evolution loving liberal Roman Catholic hierarchy are so spiritual, then why do so many Catholics fail to read the Bible compared to evangelical Christians?[http://www.crisismagazine.com/2009/why-catholics-dont-read-the-bible] If the Western Roman Catholic hierarchy is so spiritual, then why did Bill Donahue of the Catholic League say the Roman Catholic Church pederasty problem was the result of homosexual priests and cite statistics supporting his point? [http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexuality_and_pederasty#Roman_Catholic_Church.2C_Homosexuality_and_pederasty] Anytime you want to stop pretending that liberal Catholics and liberal Protestants (theologically liberal) are godly, that would be fine with me. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:33, 16 June 2013 (EDT)
For God's sake, this is the most appalling and uncoherent ''nonsequitur'' I have ever read. Are you sure to be okay? We are talking about the Catholic Church's view on evolution, not your rubbish. Catholics fail to read the Bible because, banally, there's no Bible-reading culture among common believers. We trust the Church to teach it. There's no "pederasty" problem: it's outright pedophilia (and Jesus said those who made scandal to children should be drowned with a millstone, symbolically), which is a psychiatric criminal disorder; whether it has a source in repressed homosexuality in the clergy could be a subject of discussion but it's not absolutely the point of this topic! --[[User:Swordsman|Swordsman]] 14:46, 16 June 2013 (EDT)
For God's sake, this is the most appalling and uncoherent ''nonsequitur'' I have ever read. Are you sure to be okay? We are talking about the Catholic Church's view on evolution, not your rubbish. Catholics fail to read the Bible because, banally, there's no Bible-reading culture among common believers. We trust the Church to teach it. There's no "pederasty" problem: it's outright pedophilia (and Jesus said those who made scandal to children should be drowned with a millstone, symbolically), which is a psychiatric criminal disorder; whether it has a source in repressed homosexuality in the clergy could be a subject of discussion but it's not absolutely the point of this topic! --[[User:Swordsman|Swordsman]] 14:46, 16 June 2013 (EDT)
:Swordsman, I see that your sword is quite dull. Liberals always fails to deliver the goods and that is why you cannot defend the fruits of theological liberalism when stacked up beside the fruits of theological conservatism. You retreat to less objective rhetoric and prefer to sweep the fruits under the rug. Nevertheless, Jesus said, "You shall know them by their fruits".
:The fruits of economic liberalism and its mountains of debt will lay liberalism in all its forms low and the institutions that support it so I am not worrying about something as weak as liberalism or theological liberalism. Liberal Christianity will continue to shrink in the world while theologically conservative Christianity continues to prosper.[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/05/why-are-years-2012-and-2020-key-years.html]
:The historicity of the Bible and conservative Protestantism has evidence supporting it.[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/09/evidence-for-christianity-websites-and.html] Evolution loving, liberal Catholicism on the other hand is a den of iniquity supported by nothing but hot air and blowhards who run away from their fruits and the evidence supporting biblical Christianity. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:13, 16 June 2013 (EDT)
::I came here to discuss about the Catholic Church and evolution, to improve this article; we were having a productive discussion with Andrew and Nate until you came over and spawned your... this is supposed to be family-friendly, right?... your rants about the universal woes of "liberalism" (what Americans call liberalism at least). Which has absolutely ZERO pertinence to what we are discussing here, besides pounding the discussion into ridicule for those who read. Your hatred of Catholicism quite sums up your character; I'm tolerant and I will not get dragged into religion wars - just, I always wondered which one of the 41,000 protestant churches is right, since they all say they're "the one" that is right?
::By the way, I'm a ''liberale'' in Italy. Before you explode, go seeing what "liberalism" actually is in Europe.
::I will not answer to any other comment which does not return to the main point of discussion: facts about the Catholic Church and evolution. Over. --[[User:Swordsman|Swordsman]] 15:25, 16 June 2013 (EDT)