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In 2011, the [[theism|theist]] [[Vox Day]] had an individual complain about the notion that the atheist community has a problem with obesity (Please see: [[Atheism and obesity]]). As a result, on May 19, 2011, Vox Day released a blog post entitled ''Mailvox: now, who said atheists are fat?'' where 80% of the people taking a picture with PZ Myers were overweight and PZ Myers was overweight in the picture as well as can be seen [http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/05/16/at-least-you-can-see-a-hint-of/ HERE].<ref>[http://voxday.blogspot.com/2011/05/mailvox-now-who-said-atheists-are-fat.html MailVox: Who said atheists are fat?].</ref> The picture was originally posted on PZ Myer's blog [[Pharyngula (blog)|Pharyngula]] by Myers on May 16, 2011 and an online argument quickly ensued concerning the appearance of the photograph's participants.<ref>[http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/05/16/at-least-you-can-see-a-hint-of/ At least you can see a hint of what you missed
In 2011, the [[theism|theist]] [[Vox Day]] had an individual complain about the notion that the atheist community has a problem with obesity (Please see: [[Atheism and obesity]]). As a result, on May 19, 2011, Vox Day released a blog post entitled ''Mailvox: now, who said atheists are fat?'' where 80% of the people taking a picture with PZ Myers were overweight and PZ Myers was overweight in the picture as well as can be seen [http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/05/16/at-least-you-can-see-a-hint-of/ HERE].<ref>[http://voxday.blogspot.com/2011/05/mailvox-now-who-said-atheists-are-fat.html MailVox: Who said atheists are fat?].</ref> The picture was originally posted on PZ Myer's blog [[Pharyngula (blog)|Pharyngula]] by Myers on May 16, 2011 and an online argument quickly ensued concerning the appearance of the photograph's participants.<ref>[http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/05/16/at-least-you-can-see-a-hint-of/ At least you can see a hint of what you missed
Posted by PZ Myers on May 16, 2011]</ref>
Posted by PZ Myers on May 16, 2011]</ref>
== PZ Myers on bestiality ==
[[File:Keldaby goats.jpg|thumbnail|200px|right|PZ Myers said, "I don’t object to [[Atheism and bestiality|bestiality]] in a very limited set of specific conditions...".<ref name="achilles">[http://templestream.blogspot.com/2012/08/atheist-achilles-heels-objective.html Atheist Achilles Heels: Objective Morality and Sacred Life]</ref> When asked what conditions were acceptable for bestially to be morally acceptable, Myers was silent. <ref name="achilles">[http://templestream.blogspot.com/2012/08/atheist-achilles-heels-objective.html Atheist Achilles Heels: Objective Morality and Sacred Life]</ref>]]
See also: [[PZ Myers on bestiality]] and [[Atheism and bestiality]] and [[Evolutionary belief and bestiality]]
PZ Myers wrote about bestiality:
{{cquote|So, to answer clueless thick-skulled Christian idiot’s question, I don’t object to [[Atheism and bestiality|bestiality]] in a very limited set of specific conditions, but do not support it in any way<ref name="achilles">[http://templestream.blogspot.com/2012/08/atheist-achilles-heels-objective.html Atheist Achilles Heels: Objective Morality and Sacred Life]</ref><ref>[http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/05/22/the-objective-morality-gotcha/ The “objective morality” gotcha]</ref>}}
A Christian commented on Myers's statement:
{{cquote| If you are sensing that there is something amiss with a person stating he neither supports nor opposes bestiality, then you are more perceptive with regard to moral reasoning than PZ Myers is. Myers once stated his morality is based on feelings of empathy. In an interview he stated, "If I punched you in the face, you would feel bad and I would feel bad ..and that's where morality comes from." Ironically, Myers offers a cartoon that mocks plaintive logic, that is, logic based on feelings, which is exactly the same basis of morality Myers appealed to in his interview.
When I sent Myers an email asking him to clarify what "specific conditions" would make bestiality morally acceptable in his opinion, he declined to address my email and my second article on the subject. There is really only one likely scenario in which it seems Myers would accept bestiality, also known as zoophilia, and that is if it is apparent that the animal is not being harmed and if it is demonstrating some kind of approval, enjoyment or "consent" in the act. The problem for Myers here is quite simple. If nothing must be held sacred, then why should bestiality be considered acceptable only under certain conditions and not always? Why should animal rights be an issue if animal rights are not sacred? These are logical contradictions he needs to address. What is happening here is that Myers is revealing in his quote that he does in fact believe that some boundaries must be held sacred.<ref name="achilles" />}}
=== PZ Myers' daughter Skatje Myers' comments on bestiality ===
''See also:'' [[Atheism and bestiality]] and [[Skeptic Skatje Myers' comments on bestiality]]
Skeptic Skatje Myers, the daughter of [[evolution|evolutionist]] and atheist PZ Myers describes herself as "atheist, [[agnosticism|agnostic]], rationalist, complicated vegetarian (sans dairy and eggs mostly, avec dumpster diving, by-products, and ethical sources), [[Existentialism|existential]] and moral [[nihilism|nihilist]], social democrat”.<ref>[http://www.civitatedei.com/2011/07/skatje-myers-on-the-separation-of-church-and-state/ Skatje Myers on The Separation of Church and State]</ref>
On January 2, 2008 Christian apologist [[Vox Day]] wrote in an article entitled ''Atheist Dad of the Year'':
{{cquote|If I were ever to have attacked [[atheism]] by arguing that on the rare occasions when atheists manage to successfully reproduce, their children would likely grow up possessing beliefs that are utterly immoral by Western moral norms and abhorrent to the average individual, many people would howl that I was unfairly engaging in baseless conjecture, regardless of the logic presented.
So, it's more than a little amusing to see PZ Myers angrily defending his daughter's public argument against anti-bestiality laws. Now, it's certainly the girl's right to advocate on behalf of whatever legal cause she feels is important to her, but this particular choice of subject really doesn't provide the most convincing evidence against the oft-repeated charge that atheists are hopelessly immoral. And if there's nothing rationally objectionable about the practice, then from whence comes this defensive paternal outrage?
The ironic truth is that Miss Myers is absolutely correct; once the basic concept of [[Natural Law]] is abandoned, there is no rational basis for banning anything from necrophilia to cannibalism other than a vague sense of "ickiness" inherited from preceding generations possessed of a more conventional morality.<ref>[http://voxday.blogspot.com/2008/01/atheist-dad-of-year.html Atheist Dad of the Year]</ref>}}
Skatje Myers, the daughter of atheist PZ Myers, wrote:
{{cquote|Sexual relationships between humans and animals come as such a shock to people, but it doesn’t to me. There can be very deep, meaningful relationships between humans and their pets...
That said, I remind you that my position isn’t based on my own personal wants. I just don’t see any reason to ban it other than the same reason things like [[homosexuality]] and sodomy were banned: it’s icky. I think it’s bad practice to put social taboos into legislature when no actual logical argument can be made against it.<ref>[http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/01/02/just-when-you-think-slimy-sal/ Just when you think Slimy Sal couldn’t sink any lower - Skatje Myers, Daughter of atheist PZ Myers - in blog comments section of PZ Myers' blog post]</ref><ref>Skatje Myers' Website is currently under construction, RSS feed - Lacrimae Rerum,blog of Skatje Myers, blog article - Zoophilia Oct 2, 2007]</ref>}}
See also:
*[[Atheism and bestiality]]
*[[Evolutionary belief and bestiality]]
*[[Bestiality and Sweden|Atheistic Sweden and bestiality]]
*[[Bestiality and Germany]]
*[[Denmark and bestiality]]
*[[Netherlands and bestiality|Netherlands, atheism, evolution and bestiality]]
*[[Bestiality and Britain|Godless Britain and bestiality]]
*[[Wikipedia on bestiality|Pro-evolution website Wikipedia on bestiality]]
=== Skatje Myers on morality ===
On August 18, 2011, Skatje Myers wrote:
{{cquote|I’m a moral nihilist. I have no reason to believe that morality is anything other than preferences.
I have those preferences, of course — essentially it’s just intuitional leanings. Any need or desire to follow those leanings is purely for my own enjoyment. I decide what is right and wrong based on what I feel is right and wrong, and I follow them only because of a self-created obligation to myself. I demand that others follow the same “rules” I have for myself, because I want them to. It makes the world the way I want it to be.
The way I see it, every other system of morality is based on unjustifiable claims too, so why follow someone else’s invented ideas of right and wrong?<ref>Skatje Myers' website is currently under construction, Morality by Skaje Myers</ref>}}
== Atheist PZ Myers says atheists are largely a population of internet nerds and geeks ==
== Atheist PZ Myers says atheists are largely a population of internet nerds and geeks ==