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::The Independent is not a "conservative" British news source. As even Time magazine [http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1975936,00.html#ixzz2nkwRfbkg admits], The Independent is "an internationalist, liberal alternative to the right-leaning Telegraph and the more centrist Times of London." That means all four sources are liberal or left-wing.[[User:FOIA|FOIA]] 13:04, 17 December 2013 (EST)
 
::The Independent is not a "conservative" British news source. As even Time magazine [http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1975936,00.html#ixzz2nkwRfbkg admits], The Independent is "an internationalist, liberal alternative to the right-leaning Telegraph and the more centrist Times of London." That means all four sources are liberal or left-wing.[[User:FOIA|FOIA]] 13:04, 17 December 2013 (EST)
 
::::I plan on throwing in other sources - look at the document now and for the most part it's bare-minimum fact stating. The only mistake the article almost made was when you put his Communist Party membership in the lead - a silly choice given his breaking up of Communist Party meeting prior to his joining - as Newt Gingrich said it was obvious that Mandela teamed with Communists because they were one of the few parties in South Africa that saw blacks as human beings. The article so far recounts factually his political experience, his imprisonment, and then his presidency (with the latter receiving a fair, but slightly critical tone). It's not done - but it should remain like this as opposed to editors yelling "COMMIE" in the opening paragraph without any context - that was a foolish mistake.--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 19:37, 17 December 2013 (EST)
 
::::I plan on throwing in other sources - look at the document now and for the most part it's bare-minimum fact stating. The only mistake the article almost made was when you put his Communist Party membership in the lead - a silly choice given his breaking up of Communist Party meeting prior to his joining - as Newt Gingrich said it was obvious that Mandela teamed with Communists because they were one of the few parties in South Africa that saw blacks as human beings. The article so far recounts factually his political experience, his imprisonment, and then his presidency (with the latter receiving a fair, but slightly critical tone). It's not done - but it should remain like this as opposed to editors yelling "COMMIE" in the opening paragraph without any context - that was a foolish mistake.--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 19:37, 17 December 2013 (EST)
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:::::We now have multiple Telegraph sources (and you'll find that the Telegraph biography stated the same information as the other biographies) and the Daily Maverick. Ta-da!--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 14:01, 19 December 2013 (EST)
 
::Its ok if you remove the quotes, but please mention his positions on Cuba and Communism.--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 13:49, 10 December 2013 (EST)
 
::Its ok if you remove the quotes, but please mention his positions on Cuba and Communism.--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 13:49, 10 December 2013 (EST)
 
:::I one hundred percent will - I already have some of his Communist affiliation in there and I'll also include Cuba in the latter half of the article.--[[User:Iduan|Iduan]] 13:55, 10 December 2013 (EST)
 
:::I one hundred percent will - I already have some of his Communist affiliation in there and I'll also include Cuba in the latter half of the article.--[[User:Iduan|Iduan]] 13:55, 10 December 2013 (EST)
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