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::::So Limbaugh and Fox News are the lunatic fringe, but of course you don't have you anything against the conservatives who agree with you. Who would they be, anyway? If I wanted to know what mainstream conservative opinion was on a given issue, I'd check ''The American Spectator'' ("[http://spectator.org/articles/35953/volt-sleeps-fishes Volt sleeps with the fishes]"), ''The Weekly Standard'' ("[http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/chevy-volt-still-not-selling_581956.html Chevy Volt: Still Not Selling]"), ''National Review'' ("[http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore/242092/gm-volt-electric-lemon-greg-pollowitz The GM Volt Is an ‘Electric Lemon’]"), or ''Human Events'' ("[http://www.humanevents.com/2012/01/07/obama-blew-more-money-on-chevy-volt-than-entire-gdp-of-djibouti/ Obama blew more money on the Chevy Volt than entire GDP of Djibouti]"). These are all to the right of Fox News, so I assume they'd be extradoubleplus lunatic in your book. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 01:41, 1 February 2014 (EST)
::::So Limbaugh and Fox News are the lunatic fringe, but of course you don't have you anything against the conservatives who agree with you. Who would they be, anyway? If I wanted to know what mainstream conservative opinion was on a given issue, I'd check ''The American Spectator'' ("[http://spectator.org/articles/35953/volt-sleeps-fishes Volt sleeps with the fishes]"), ''The Weekly Standard'' ("[http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/chevy-volt-still-not-selling_581956.html Chevy Volt: Still Not Selling]"), ''National Review'' ("[http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore/242092/gm-volt-electric-lemon-greg-pollowitz The GM Volt Is an ‘Electric Lemon’]"), or ''Human Events'' ("[http://www.humanevents.com/2012/01/07/obama-blew-more-money-on-chevy-volt-than-entire-gdp-of-djibouti/ Obama blew more money on the Chevy Volt than entire GDP of Djibouti]"). These are all to the right of Fox News, so I assume they'd be extradoubleplus lunatic in your book. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 01:41, 1 February 2014 (EST)
:::::On this question of what's fringe and what's not, I note that Richard Lindzen, John Christy, and Roy Spencer, [http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100257206/climate-science-is-for-second-raters-says-worlds-greatest-atmospheric-physicist/ leading climate scientists all], are skeptics. Stephen Schneider, father of the global warming scare, wasn't a climate scientist at all, but a rather mechanical engineer. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 03:42, 1 February 2014 (EST)
:::::On this question of what's fringe and what's not, I note that Richard Lindzen, John Christy, and Roy Spencer, [http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100257206/climate-science-is-for-second-raters-says-worlds-greatest-atmospheric-physicist/ leading climate scientists all], are skeptics. Stephen Schneider, father of the global warming scare, wasn't a climate scientist at all, but a rather mechanical engineer. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 03:42, 1 February 2014 (EST)
::::::If a conservative, liberal, libertarian or authoritarian makes relevant and factual claims when discussing politics, environment, economics, etc. I’ll patiently listen. When people make crackpot claims I’ll display the contempt they deserve. By the way, lunatic fringe, fringe, skeptics and denial all have different meanings. I reserve lunatic fringe for the extraordinary. The Volt is not for everyone, that doesn’t mean the car is a failure. Many ridiculous claims were made in the articles you recommended. Auto plants periodically close for numerous reasons and the Hamtramck closure was not remarkable. One of the writers made a comparison to a BMW 3 series and the Volt. I own both, I prefer the Volt. And the tripe seemed to go on and on. The climate scientists you mentioned are among the 1% of climate scientists who are skeptical of anthropogenic climate change, but I’d rather discuss such matters on the relevant talk page. As for Dr. Schneider, he was ''also'' a mechanical engineer.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 13:19, 1 February 2014 (EST)
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