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Line 286: − |- − ! colspan="10"| Vietnamese towns − |- − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Ho Chi Minh City''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ho Chi Minh City''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ho Chi Minh City''' − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Ho Chi Minh City''' <small>Formerly</small> '''Saigon''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ho Chi Minh City''' − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Ho Chi Minh City''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ho Chi Minh City''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ho Chi Minh City''' − |style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Ho Chi Minh City''' − |style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Thành Phố Hồ Chí Minh''' − |- − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Hanoi''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ha·noi''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ha·noi''' − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Hanoi''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hanoi''' − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Hanoi''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hanoi''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hanoi''' − |style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A − |style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Hà Nội''' − |- − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Haiphong''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hai·phong''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hai·phong''' − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Haiphong''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Haiphong''' − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Haiphong''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Haiphong''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Haiphong''' − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A − |style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Hải Phòng''' − |- − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Cần Thơ''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Can Tho''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Can Tho''' − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|N/A − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Can Tho''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Can Tho''' − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A − |style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Cần Thơ''' − |- − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Da Nang''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Da Nang''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Da Nang''' − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Da Nang'''<small> or </small>'''Da·nang''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Da Nang''' − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Da Nang''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Da Nang''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Da Nang''' − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A − |style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Đa Năng''' − |- − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Biên Hòa''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Bien Hoa''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Bien Hoa'''<small> also </small>'''Bien-hoa''' − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Bien Hoa''' − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Bien Hoa''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Bien Hoa''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Bien Hoa''' − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Biên Hòa''' − |- − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Huế''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hue''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hue''' ''or'' '''Hué''' − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Hue''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hué''' − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Hue''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hue''' − | style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hue''' − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A − | style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Huế'''
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Revision as of 05:13, July 5, 2014
, 05:13, July 5, 2014move Vietnam material
# Publishers in the English-speaking world who have tried to include Vietnamese diacritics have found that non-Vietnamese copy editors tend to screw them up.<ref>Tucker's ''Encyclopedia'' was originally published in 1998 with diacritics.[http://books.google.com.vn/books?id=Zk8YAAAAIAAJ&focus=] There were complaints that these were done incorrectly.[http://books.google.com.vn/books?id=WLcG5Cdw-NIC&pg=PA503&dq=#v=onepage&q=%22Encyclopedia%20of%20the%20Vietnam%20War%22%20diacritics&f=false] They have been removed from the current (2011) edition of the work.</ref> Of course, this is not an issue for a publisher based in Vietnam itself. In fact, Vietnam has several English-language news sites that are professionally edited, including [http://english.vov.vn/ Voice of Vietnam]. But you won't find diacritics on those sites either.<ref>The major news sites are aggregated by [http://en.baomoi.com/ Bao Moi]. You look up a name on this site and get an overview of how the Vietnamese press handles this issue.</ref> They model conventional language use for the benefit of Vietnamese who are learning English, so they have no interest in promoting Viet-lish.
# Publishers in the English-speaking world who have tried to include Vietnamese diacritics have found that non-Vietnamese copy editors tend to screw them up.<ref>Tucker's ''Encyclopedia'' was originally published in 1998 with diacritics.[http://books.google.com.vn/books?id=Zk8YAAAAIAAJ&focus=] There were complaints that these were done incorrectly.[http://books.google.com.vn/books?id=WLcG5Cdw-NIC&pg=PA503&dq=#v=onepage&q=%22Encyclopedia%20of%20the%20Vietnam%20War%22%20diacritics&f=false] They have been removed from the current (2011) edition of the work.</ref> Of course, this is not an issue for a publisher based in Vietnam itself. In fact, Vietnam has several English-language news sites that are professionally edited, including [http://english.vov.vn/ Voice of Vietnam]. But you won't find diacritics on those sites either.<ref>The major news sites are aggregated by [http://en.baomoi.com/ Bao Moi]. You look up a name on this site and get an overview of how the Vietnamese press handles this issue.</ref> They model conventional language use for the benefit of Vietnamese who are learning English, so they have no interest in promoting Viet-lish.
# Who does put Vietnamese diacritics in English-language material? Besides Wikipedia,<ref>Vietnam-related titles were moved to diacritic forms ''en masse'' soon after I was banned.</ref> there's Thế Giới Publishers in Hanoi. Much of the material this company puts out is old-style war propaganda. Tourists can buy it and show the goofy language and lettering to their friends back home. The print edition of ''Viet Nam News'' also uses diacritics. This newspaper is a Cold War dinosaur that disappeared from newsstands years ago.<ref>They still hand out copies of ''Viet Nam News'' to passengers who request it on Vietnam Air. Otherwise, the print edition doesn't have any circulation worth mentioning. The [http://vietnamnews.vn/ web edition of VNN] is the top English-language site in Vietnam and a very different publication. It is diacritics free and far less propaganda-oriented than the print edition.</ref> In "patriotic-language" publications of this type, Vietnam is "Việt Nam," Hanoi is "Hà Nội," and mainstream English has been left far behind.
# Who does put Vietnamese diacritics in English-language material? Besides Wikipedia,<ref>Vietnam-related titles were moved to diacritic forms ''en masse'' soon after I was banned.</ref> there's Thế Giới Publishers in Hanoi. Much of the material this company puts out is old-style war propaganda. Tourists can buy it and show the goofy language and lettering to their friends back home. The print edition of ''Viet Nam News'' also uses diacritics. This newspaper is a Cold War dinosaur that disappeared from newsstands years ago.<ref>They still hand out copies of ''Viet Nam News'' to passengers who request it on Vietnam Air. Otherwise, the print edition doesn't have any circulation worth mentioning. The [http://vietnamnews.vn/ web edition of VNN] is the top English-language site in Vietnam and a very different publication. It is diacritics free and far less propaganda-oriented than the print edition.</ref> In "patriotic-language" publications of this type, Vietnam is "Việt Nam," Hanoi is "Hà Nội," and mainstream English has been left far behind.
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 90%;"
|-
! rowspan="2" |Wikipedia
! colspan="2" |Merriam-Webster
! rowspan="2" |American Heritage<ref name="AmHer" />
! rowspan="2" |Oxford<ref name="Oxford" />
! rowspan="2" |Webster’s New World<ref name="WNW" />
! colspan= "2" |Encyclopedias
! colspan="2" |U.S. Board on Geographic Names<ref>[http://geonames.nga.mil/namesgaz/ U.S. Board on Geographic Names]</ref>
|-
! Collegiate<ref name="Collegiate" />
! Geographical<ref>''[http://books.google.com.vn/books?hl=vi&id=Co_VIPIJerIC&q= Merriam-Webster Geographical Dictionary]'' (1997)</ref>
! Britannica<ref name="Britannica" />
! Columbia<ref name="Columbia" />
! Conventional
! Approved
|-
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Ho Chi Minh City'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ho Chi Minh City'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ho Chi Minh City'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Ho Chi Minh City''' <small>Formerly</small> '''Sai·gon'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ho Chi Minh City'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Ho Chi Minh City'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ho Chi Minh City'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ho Chi Minh City'''
|style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Ho Chi Minh City'''
|style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Thành Phố Hồ Chí Minh'''
|-
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Hanoi'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ha·noi'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ha·noi'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Hanoi'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hanoi'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Hanoi'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hanoi'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hanoi'''
|style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A
|style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Hà Nội'''
|-
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Haiphong'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hai·phong'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hai·phong'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Haiphong'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Haiphong'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Haiphong'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Haiphong'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Haiphong'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A
|style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Hải Phòng'''
|-
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Cần Thơ'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Can Tho'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Can Tho'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|N/A
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Can Tho'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Can Tho'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A
|style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Cần Thơ'''
|-
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Da Nang'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Da Nang'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Da Nang'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Da Nang'''<small> or </small>'''Da·nang'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Da Nang'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Da Nang'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Da Nang'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Da Nang'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A
|style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Đa Năng'''
|-
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Biên Hòa'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Bien Hoa'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Bien Hoa'''<small> also </small>'''Bien-hoa'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Bien Hoa'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Bien Hoa'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Bien Hoa'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Bien Hoa'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Biên Hòa'''
|-
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Huế'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hue'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hue''' ''or'' '''Hué'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Hue'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hué'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Hue'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hue'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Hue'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Huế'''
|}
==Wikipedia RFC==
==Wikipedia RFC==
|-
|-
! style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Edvard Beneš'''
! style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Edvard Beneš'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Be•neš''', Edvard
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Be·neš''', Edvard
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Be•neš''', Edvard
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Be·neš''', Edvard
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Be•neš, Eduard'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Be·neš, Eduard'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Beneš, Edvard'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Beneš, Edvard'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Beneš, Edvard'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Beneš, Edvard'''
|-
|-
! style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Tadeusz Kościuszko'''
! style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Tadeusz Kościuszko'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Koś•ciusz•ko''', Tadeusz Andrzei Bonawentura
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Koś·ciusz•ko''', Tadeusz Andrzei Bonawentura
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Koś•ciusz•ko''', Tadeusz Andrzei Bonawentura
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Koś·ciusz•ko''', Tadeusz Andrzei Bonawentura
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Kos•ci•uśz•ko''' or '''Kos•ci•us•ko, Thaddeus'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Kos·ci•uśz•ko''' or '''Kos•ci•us•ko, Thaddeus'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Kosciusko, Thaddeus'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Kosciusko, Thaddeus'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Kosciusko''', Thaddeus
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Kosciusko''', Thaddeus
|-
|-
! style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''François Mitterrand'''
! style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''François Mitterrand'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Mit•ter•rand''', François (-Maurice)
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Mit·ter·rand''', François (-Maurice)
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|N/A
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|N/A
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Mit•ter•rand, François Maurice'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Mit·ter·rand, François Maurice'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Mitterrand, François'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Mitterrand, François'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Mitterrand, François (Maurice)'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Mitterrand, François (Maurice)'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;" |'''Tō•jō''' Hideki
| style="background:#E0FFFF;" |'''Tō•jō''' Hideki
| style="background:#E0FFFF;" |'''Tōjō''' Hideki
| style="background:#E0FFFF;" |'''Tōjō''' Hideki
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''To•jo, Hideki'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''To·jo, Hideki'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;" |'''Tojo, Hideki'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;" |'''Tojo, Hideki'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;" |'''Tojo, Hideki'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;" |'''Tojo, Hideki'''
! style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Mihály Vörösmarty'''
! style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Mihály Vörösmarty'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;" |N/A
| style="background:#E0FFFF;" |N/A
| style="background:#E0FFFF;" |'''Vö•rös•marty,''' Mihály
| style="background:#E0FFFF;" |'''Vö·rös·marty,''' Mihály
| style="background:#FFFFA0;" |N/A
| style="background:#FFFFA0;" |N/A
| style="background:#E0FFFF;" |N/A
| style="background:#E0FFFF;" |N/A
|-
|-
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Istanbul'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Istanbul'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Is•tan•bul'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Is·tan·bul'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''İs•tan•bul'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''İs·tan·bul'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Is•tan•bul'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Is·tan·bul'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Istanbul'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Istanbul'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Istanbul'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Istanbul'''
|-
|-
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Jyväskylä'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Jyväskylä'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Jy•vas•ky•la'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Jy·vas·ky·la'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Jy•väs•ky•lä'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Jy·väs·ky·lä'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Jyväskylä'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Jyväskylä'''
|-
|-
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Kinmen'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Kinmen'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Que•moy'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Que·moy'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Que•moy'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Que·moy'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Que•moy''' In Pinyin '''Jin•men'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Que·moy''' In Pinyin '''Jin·men'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"| N/A
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"| N/A
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"| N/A
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"| N/A
|-
|-
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Lübeck'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Lübeck'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Lü•beck'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Lü·beck'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Lü•beck'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Lü·beck'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Lü•beck'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Lü·beck'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Lübeck'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Lübeck'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Lü•beck'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Lü·beck'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Lübeck'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Lübeck'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Lübeck'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Lübeck'''
|-
|-
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Ploiești'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Ploiești'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Plo•iesti''' ''or'' '''Plo•esti'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Plo·iesti''' ''or'' '''Plo·esti'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Plo•ieş•ti''' ''or'' '''Plo•eş•ti'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Plo·ieş·ti''' ''or'' '''Plo·eş·ti'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Plo•ieş•ti''' or '''Plo•eş•ti'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Plo·ieş·ti''' or '''Plo·eş·ti'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ploieşti'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ploieşti'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Plo•ieş•ti''' or '''Plo•eş•ti''''''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Plo·ieş·ti''' or '''Plo·eş·ti''''''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ploieşti'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ploieşti'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ploieşti'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Ploieşti'''
|-
|-
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''[[Zürich]]'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''[[Zürich]]'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Zu•rich'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Zu·rich'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Zü•rich'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Zü·rich'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Zu•rich
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Zu·rich
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Zurich'''
| style="background:#E0FFFF;"|'''Zurich'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Zurich'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Zurich'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|N/A
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Zürich'''
| style="background:#FFFFA0;"|'''Zürich'''
|}
|}
==References==
==References==
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