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| | ::Correct or not, you are (as far as I can see) the only advocate of this theory worldwide, and not only today, but for the last 2000 years. An opinion can hardly be more private... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 13:51, 15 May 2013 (EDT) | | ::Correct or not, you are (as far as I can see) the only advocate of this theory worldwide, and not only today, but for the last 2000 years. An opinion can hardly be more private... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 13:51, 15 May 2013 (EDT) |
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| − | :::For more than a thousand years people were taught that [[Paul]] wrote this Epistle. That has since been disproved, leaving only one logical alternative. The power of logic is that it remains true in spite of [[liberal denial]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:23, 15 May 2013 (EDT) | + | :::For more than a thousand years people were taught that [[Paul]] wrote this Epistle. That has since been disproved, leavi--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] 01:52, 29 December 2014 (EST)ng only one logical alternative. The power of logic is that it remains true in spite of [[liberal denial]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:23, 15 May 2013 (EDT) |
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| | ::::Indeed, but from very early on there were doubts (see [[Eusebius of Caesarea]]). These were arguments from ''knowledge'', from analysis of the style. Yours is truly an argument from ''ignorance'': "we don't know, therefore Jesus". And that is simply not convincing... | | ::::Indeed, but from very early on there were doubts (see [[Eusebius of Caesarea]]). These were arguments from ''knowledge'', from analysis of the style. Yours is truly an argument from ''ignorance'': "we don't know, therefore Jesus". And that is simply not convincing... |
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| | :::::It could be augmented to say, "While authorship is unknown, Andy Schlafly has put forth a theory that this particular book may have been authored by Jesus Christ himself." | | :::::It could be augmented to say, "While authorship is unknown, Andy Schlafly has put forth a theory that this particular book may have been authored by Jesus Christ himself." |
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| | + | ::::::Andy, I concur with your opinion re knowledge of the angels, although the references to them in Hebrews 1 and 2 are quotations from the Septuagint, and from the Gospel of John. However, only in the Gospel of John (17:3) does Our Lord directly refer to himself (once) in the third person by name, but in Hebrews all references to Christ are in the third person, and this is not Jesus' normal pattern of speech in the Gospels. This is also not his style in the letters he dictated to John in the Book of Revelation (1:10–3:22). Also, the arrest of Timothy the companion of Paul, and the greeting to the Hebrews from those saints (Christians) who came from Italy, in Hebrews 13:23-24, would have taken place long after Jesus ascended into heaven, long after the day of Pentecost, and after the conversion of Paul on the road to Damascus. With great respect and sincerity, I would like to know what then is your opinion and explanation of the means by which Jesus himself did write Hebrews? Was it by hand, physically, in which case he would have descended to earth to write it (which would be a secret second coming, and not according to Acts 1:11), or was it by inspiration from heaven through another writer to whom he dictated the letter, or was it written in heaven and then physically delivered by a heavenly messenger or delivered by himself and presented in a vision to a Christian messenger who then made several copies of the letter he was shown and then delivered them to the groups of Christian Hebrews who were being persecuted at the time it was written (Hebrews 12:3-17)? John said that Jesus told him to write to the Churches, but Hebrews has no such statement. These are the only possibilities supportive of your position that occur to me, but the text of Hebrews indicates none of them. (Is there another?) <br/> With sincere respect, ''Pax vobis''.--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] 01:52, 29 December 2014 (EST) |