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Talk:Extraterrestrial life (view source)
Revision as of 18:52, April 17, 2007
, 18:52, April 17, 2007→Cite doesn't match passage
Conversely, Jesus tells the disciples, John 10:16 '''"And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd."''' Now we could argue until the sheep come home, ahem, but the ''fact'' is the Bible is probably silent on the concept of extraterrestrial beings. If there are indeed other Worlds, perhaps those worlds' Adam and Eve survived the temptation in the Eden's of their homes and the need for Jesus to die (for their sin) simply did not arise. The Bible can be the answer to every substantive question, it just might be that this query does not rise to that standard. [[User:Rob Pommer| Rob Pommer]]<sub>[[User_talk:Rob_Pommer|talk]]</sub> 13:27, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
Conversely, Jesus tells the disciples, John 10:16 '''"And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd."''' Now we could argue until the sheep come home, ahem, but the ''fact'' is the Bible is probably silent on the concept of extraterrestrial beings. If there are indeed other Worlds, perhaps those worlds' Adam and Eve survived the temptation in the Eden's of their homes and the need for Jesus to die (for their sin) simply did not arise. The Bible can be the answer to every substantive question, it just might be that this query does not rise to that standard. [[User:Rob Pommer| Rob Pommer]]<sub>[[User_talk:Rob_Pommer|talk]]</sub> 13:27, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
:The fold called "this fold" in the verse you quote above consists of the [[Judaism|Jewish]] race only. "Other sheep not of this fold" are Gentiles (literally, "nationals," from the [[Latin]] ''gens'' a national clan).
:If--and I repeat, if--any other world existed which had ''not'' fallen, then [[God]] would be telling those people to keep a billion miles away from here, so as not to risk polluting themselves by contact with us. That's what a "fallen world" is all about. But I maintain that the entire universe is fallen.
:And this is the point of that section: the Bible has no warrant for, and therefore would be incompatible with, the existence of extraterrestrial races, nation-states, or civilizations. And [[liberals]] know it. Say what you will about whether [[User:Aschlafly|Andrew]] chose the right title for his [[Exotheology|article]]. The fact remains that a belief in ET civilization, and contact therewith, is a [[religion]] in irreconcilable conflict with [[Christian]]ity. And furthermore, the adherents of that religion know it fully well, as Andrew's sources clearly show.
:Faced with that, I marvel--indeed, I find myself barely able to proceed without someone recommending that I be examined for diffuse toxic goiter--at the insatiable desire, on the part of some editors here, to suggest that the Bible and extraterrestrial life (and by "life" I mean ''intelligent'' and ''rational'' and ''self-aware'' life) are compatible. I have just proposed that my own faith is eminently falsifiable. I would have expected the other person to accept the implicit challenge and go out and try to bring me a--what do they call it? Ah, yes--a "close encounter of the second kind." But perhaps I ought not be surprised. After all, I have watched all too many of my fellow churchmen, in the context of [[evolution]], believe the lie of the tailors of the emperor's new clothes--that those same clothes "are invisible to any who are stupid or unfit for their posts." I deny that I am stupid, I'll let my occasional clients speak to my fitness to serve them, and I say that the emperor has no clothes on--meaning that evolution is a fraud and that extraterrestrial civilization is a non-starter.
:But back to the point: The section in question says only that the Bible and extraterrestrial life (larger than microbial) are mutually exclusive. I'll gladly defend my Bible on another page. But I will defer to very few people as to what my Bible says, and what it does not say. And those few do not include certain editors who know who they are.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 14:52, 17 April 2007 (EDT)