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| | :::I would be happy to answer your question, after you answer my questions above. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:39, 30 January 2015 (EST) | | :::I would be happy to answer your question, after you answer my questions above. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:39, 30 January 2015 (EST) |
| | ::::Which question? [[User:EJamesW|EJamesW]] 17:41, 30 January 2015 (EST) | | ::::Which question? [[User:EJamesW|EJamesW]] 17:41, 30 January 2015 (EST) |
| − | All of them. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:42, 30 January 2015 (EST) | + | All of them. See these questions above: Why do you want to know this? Second, have you ever once shown that an iota of the material posted on atheism by the User: Conservative account is an error? If not, can you do so now? If you can do this, please do so now. Third, do you agree with the motto of late American businessman: "An educated consumer is our best customer." - the late Sy Syms [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:42, 30 January 2015 (EST) |
| | + | :By the way, take a look at these Google trend graphs which give data relevant to the [http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=atheist%2C%20atheism%2C%20humanism%2C%20Richard%20Dawkins&cmpt=q&tz= the world], the [http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=atheist%2C%20atheism%2C%20humanism%2C%20Richard%20Dawkins&geo=US&cmpt=q&tz= United States] and [http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=atheist%2C%20atheism%2C%20humanism%2C%20Richard%20Dawkins&geo=GB&cmpt=q&tz= the UK]. What do you think would happen if Christian/creationist/anti-atheism apologetics material were to be spread more widely in the UK? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:54, 30 January 2015 (EST) |
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| | + | ::The anti-atheism and Roman Catholic apologist John J. Pasquini, Th.D, cited Conservapedia multiple times in his book ''Atheist Persona: Causes and Consequences'', Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, Published: April 15, 2014. The book was endorsed by [[Michael Behe]]. |
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| | + | ::Second, individuals associated with [[Freethoughtblogs]] recently indicated that there are secular cults such as [[objectivism]] (see: [[Atheist cults]]). Which website on the internet has the most extensive material on atheist cults? :) |
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| | + | ::Third, does [[Shockofgod]] like Conservapedia's atheism material? Has Shockofgod ever lost one of his 50+ debates to an atheist? If so, can you show me one of the debates he lost and why he lost it? Is Shockofgod an extremist? If so, why? For example, has Shockofgod ever once advocated violence against atheists? Is Shockofgod best characterized as a person with a sense of humor or an ill-tempered/angry person? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:18, 30 January 2015 (EST) |
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| | + | I see - it's shame (and very telling) your group couldn't simply answer my original question '''I've merely asked your group to identify the intended audience that your group wishes to educate''.' However to answer your questions: |
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| | + | 1. ''Why do you want to know this'' - I think your group's answer to this question would tell a lot. Personally, I think this is an important question and my suspicion is that you aim your articles to the extremist/fundamentalist christian community in order to reinforce their beliefs and in return your group receives some sort of validation. I can't see any of of articles being taken seriously outside the extremist/fundamentalist christian community. |
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| | + | 2. ''Have you ever once shown that an iota of the material posted on atheism by the User: Conservative account is an error?'' No. |
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| | + | 3. ''Do you agree with the motto of late American businessman: "An educated consumer is our best customer. - the late Sy Syms'' I've never heard of this guy - but that sounds like a sensible saying. |
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| | + | Now can your group answer my question - ''''I've merely asked your group to identify the intended audience that your group wishes to educate''''. [[User:EJamesW|EJamesW]] 18:34, 30 January 2015 (EST) |
| | + | ::You wrote: "I can't see any of of articles being taken seriously outside the extremist/fundamentalist christian community." Yet, I just mentioned that a Roman Catholic scholar cited Conservapedia several times in a recent book of his. I also gave the Freethoughtblogs/secular cults example. Is it that you CAN'T see or that you WON'T see. Me thinks the latter! Why is there such stubbornness and animus on your part? Have you read the articles [[Atheism and anger]] and [[Atheism and bitterness]] and [[Atheism and arrogance]]? If not, maybe you should! |
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| | + | ::The audience is intended to be theists/atheists/agnostics/others. Why? |
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| | + | ::The atheist/agnostic population has a sub-replacement level of fertility and American atheists raised by atheists have a 30% retention rate in terms of them retaining their atheist worldview. Thus, the education of theists concerning the various shortcomings of atheism is helpful in my/our estimation. It causes them to be more resistant to deceptive/errant appeals to atheism. |
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| | + | ::In addition, the scholar [[Eric Kaufmann]], who is an agnostic, indicated that the atheist/agnostic community now suffers from a lack of confidence and a state of exhaustion (see: [[Global atheism]] and [[Atheism and cowardice]]). Certainly, sharing with atheists the various problems of atheism hinders the efforts of militant/evangelical atheist activists. For example, Christian/creationist activists are more active in the USA and the graphs that I shared with you above indicates a higher drop in the searches related to atheism in the USA than is happening in the UK (But both countries have experienced drops recently). |
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| | + | ::Next, CP has (and has had) admins/editors from various worldviews {Evangelical Protestant, Liberal Protestant, Roman Catholic, Mormon, Unification Church, etc. etc.). Because of this, I directed readers to Christian websites which report people leaving atheism and other worldviews (see: [[Resources for leaving atheism and becoming a Christian]]). I really don't have any kind of tracking system set up or a very concerted effort for these people to contact people who edit the User: Conservative account. By in large, I/we simply created some online encyclopedia material. That was the focus. I/we think it is better to achieve more limited aims in scope than try to accomplish too much when you are given various parameters to operate under. |
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| | + | ::Personally, given the amount of conservative religious immigrants to the UK, I think the UK will see a trend of [[desecularization]] which will occur in the 21st century and Eric Kaufmann thinks so as well. And the British government consults with Kaufmann as far as their immigration policy. Being a scholar who is originally from Canada and given the fact that he appears to be an amiable person, I suspect Kaufmann advises the British government to keep the gates of immigration open. Perhaps, he advises to be more selective in terms of the job skills/education/wealth of the immigrants though. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:08, 30 January 2015 (EST) |
| | + | One other thing: I have noticed that the degree of atheist ardor/arrogance that you have been displaying has diminished in its intensity in the past few years. Have you been reading a lot of material related to the various deficiencies of atheism? |
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| | + | Officer to Captain: I don't think our strategy of dropping all these depth charges is having an effect on the submarine crew's morale. Captain: It's working, alright. All ahead for attack, Mr. Wier." - paraphrase from the movie ''The Enemy Below''.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7Vme9jUhlo] :) |
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| | + | And regardless of whether you want to admit it or not, at this juncture, there is no way that you could sincerely and confidently tell me that atheism is true (see: [[Attempts to dilute the definition of atheism]]) and that the gospel of Jesus Christ is untrue. That option is unavailable to you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:10, 30 January 2015 (EST) |
| | + | :Another matter: You wrote that you never have shown that any of the atheism related material written by User: Conservative is in error. In addition, you have been invited to do so several times, but have not. Yet, you write: "I can't see any of of articles being taken seriously outside the extremist/fundamentalist christian community." Who is being inconsistent here? Who is being the extremist? Surely, if the User: Conservative account published something extreme, you would have mentioned it. Yet, not a word about this. Just petty commentary instead. And if any camp has a track record for extreme/unreasonable statements, it is the UK atheists/agnostics (For example, see: [[Richard Dawkins' commentary on Adolf Hitler]]). |
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| | + | :Furthermore, one of the editors of the User: Conservative account belongs to a Christian body which originated in the UK and still exists there today. Is the UK a hotbed of Christian religious extremism? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:50, 31 January 2015 (EST) |
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