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Talk:Action at a distance (view source)
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:: Since Electrostatics as well as Newtonian gravity deal with the underlying fields in a non-time dependent instantaneous manner. The fact that a changing electrical field in not described by this theory is something i can demonstrate in a lab course experiment with material costs of less than $2000 (nowadays). And yes, the experiments where you can show that are the ones who lead to the Maxwell equations, which lead to relativity, so i am not sure i can follow your arguing. Moreover, as far as i am aware, right now people are trying to detect gravitational waves, not gravitons. (which gives you actually the additional point that detecting general relativity alone is already quite expensive. Detecting gravitons experimentally will be out of reach for us for a long time). --[[User:Stitch75|Stitch75]] 00:45, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
:: Since Electrostatics as well as Newtonian gravity deal with the underlying fields in a non-time dependent instantaneous manner. The fact that a changing electrical field in not described by this theory is something i can demonstrate in a lab course experiment with material costs of less than $2000 (nowadays). And yes, the experiments where you can show that are the ones who lead to the Maxwell equations, which lead to relativity, so i am not sure i can follow your arguing. Moreover, as far as i am aware, right now people are trying to detect gravitational waves, not gravitons. (which gives you actually the additional point that detecting general relativity alone is already quite expensive. Detecting gravitons experimentally will be out of reach for us for a long time). --[[User:Stitch75|Stitch75]] 00:45, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
:Stitch, you're clueless. Maybe if you spend less time on useless talk, talk, talk, you could spend time translating the Bible, which really does "miracles" for us. Get it? I know that when I translate the Bible I feel a lot more soothed and I gain a lot more insights. --[[User:WilliamMoran|WilliamMoran]] 14:10, 3 September 2011 (EDT)
:Stitch, you're clueless. Maybe if you spend less time on useless talk, talk, talk, you could spend time translating the Bible, which really does "miracles" for us. Get it? I know that when I translate the Bible I feel a lot more soothed and I gain a lot more insights. --[[User:WilliamMoran|WilliamMoran]] 14:10, 3 September 2011 (EDT)
== Biblical Example ==
{{cquote|Other observed examples of action at a distance are:</br>Action at a distance performed by Jesus, as described in [[John 1-7 (Translated)|John 4:46-54]] and [[Matthew 20-28 (Translated)|Matthew 27:51]].}}
That doesn't make any sense. Take e.g., John 4:46-54 - the question is: did the action take place instantaneously, or was it perhaps conveyed with the speed of light. But Cana and Capernaum are roughly 30km away from each other! Even today, we would have difficulties to make such measurements - as seen during the OPERA neutrino speed experiment of 2011.
How could the servants spot a difference of ca. 1/10.000 seconds? Answer: they couldn't
*It's impossible to describe the breaking of a fever with such precision
*Jesus said: "Go, your son lives" That takes considerably more time than 1/10.000s...
*The fever left him at the seventh hour. Which one: Cana's or Capernaum's? Both differ by a couple of seconds, as all time-keeping was local!
Does the Bible claim that the healing was instantaneous? No, only that it took place roughly at the time Jesus spoke to the father. Jesus just tells him "Your son lives": it isn't said whether this is an observation of something which already had happened, a healing at this point of time, or a prophecy of an event in the future - all three possibilities are given (and impressive).
You have to twist the scripture towards your preferred interpretation if you wish to crowbar "action at a distance" into these verses. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:25, 25 February 2015 (EST)