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Talk:Essay:Calming the Storm (view source)
Revision as of 18:08, June 21, 2015
, 18:08, June 21, 2015→Andy, it's your essay, correct your mistakes, please: new section
I couldn't find any source confirming this "insight". ἐπιτιμάω has quite opposite meanings (''honor'' and ''rebuke'') - like "to sanction" in English. But "to judge" is none of them. In fact, ἐπιτιμάω is done by a judge after his judgement... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 09:24, 21 June 2015 (EDT)
I couldn't find any source confirming this "insight". ἐπιτιμάω has quite opposite meanings (''honor'' and ''rebuke'') - like "to sanction" in English. But "to judge" is none of them. In fact, ἐπιτιμάω is done by a judge after his judgement... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 09:24, 21 June 2015 (EDT)
== Andy, it's your essay, correct your mistakes, please ==
As this is your essay, I won't touch it. But if you don't want it to be deleted, you should at least correct the most egregious errors. Ignoring critique is an all to common habit around here, and won't help to improve articles!
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|[[Jesus]]'s '''Calming the Storm''' is described in three [[Gospels]]: beginning at Matthew 8:23, Mark 4:39, and Luke 8:24.
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|The issue is how Jesus actually calmed the storm: '''''by word, by deed, or by observation'''''?
|Whose issue is this? Was the question ever risen before?
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|Modern physicians -- the insights of [[quantum mechanics]] -- suggest that the calming was achieved by observation, not by word or deed.
|You certainly intend to say '''"physics"'''. But how does it suggest this? That's nonsense.
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|Is "rebuked" the correct translation of the Greek term "ἐπιτιμάω", which appears in all three verses above and in connection with other miracles, such as Jesus's lifting of the fever in Luke 4:39?
|Yes, it is, it's one of the main meanings of ἐπιτιμάω, and ἐπιτιμάω is consistently understood that way in the Gospels
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|The real meaning of the Greek "ἐπιτιμάω" is closer to "judge" than to affirmatively rebuke.
|There is no evidence that ἐπιτιμάω means "to judge" - "to judge" judge is not even ''a'' meaning of ἐπιτιμάω, and far less ''the real meaning''.
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|The term can even be used in a positive manner, as in "honor" or "raise the price of."
|So what? It is akin to "to sanction"
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|The English term "rebuke" carries the primary connotation of a verbal communication, while in the Greek ἐπιτιμάω has the primary connotation of a non-verbal judgment.
|That is wrong: the primary connotation of ἐπιτιμάω is "to warn", usually verbally!
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|In the Mark verse above, traditional translations insert the word "said" as though Jesus caused the calming by verbally ordering the sea to be still.
|Traditional translations don't have to insert the word "said" in Mark's verse, as it is already there: εἶπεν means ''he said'' or ''he commanded''
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|But "λέγω" -- the Greek term used for said in some versions -- does not appear in the Greek above,
|Nonsense. The present of the first person does not appear, but the indicative of the third person of this verb! That is a rookie mistake!
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|, and where it does appear in Greek versions its real meaning is to "lay", to "cause to lie down," or to "put to sleep."
|no, that is wrong - this is not its ''real'' but its ''original'' meaning: [[Homer]] may have used it this way. The typical use during the time the Gospels were written down, was "to say" or "to command".
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|It only has a connotation of speaking when used in a context of verbal communication (as in putting one word with another), which is not the case here.
|As it is followed by ''direct speech'', the context of verbal communication is given
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Anyone with a little Greek reading this essay will spot your basic mistakes, anyone with an interest in physics will be befuddled by your invocation of quantum mechanics.
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 14:08, 21 June 2015 (EDT)