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== Database Download? ==
I homeschool my children and they are too young to allow online access. I do use Kiwix (see kiwix.org) though and would like to build a ZIM file of Conservapedia that they can use for research. Does Conservapedia make a database dump of the articles available? Thank you for this wonderful resource! [[User:CurtisJ|CurtisJ]] 12:00 PM 24 December 2014 (EDT)
== Promotion ==
Thanks a lot Mr. Schlafly, I promise to make good use of my new rights. - [[User:PetyrB|PetyrB]] 12:33, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
== Meritocracy ==
Andy, you have repeatedly stated that Conservapedia is a meritocracy, and you often rewarded editors by bestowing rights on their accounts. Therefore, I have to ask: has [[User:PetyrB]] some merits besides those which are on display here at Conservapedia? Otherwise, the promotion of his account is rather surprising:
*His account is just a week old. The only other other account which I remember to have risen so quickly, was [[User:Markman]]
*He hasn't made any substantial edit to an article, or started a new article
*For an observer, his greatest merit seems to be that he agrees with you in everything.
I'm surprised how quickly [[User:PetyrB]] picked up the peculiar lingo of Conservapedia, terms like "talk pollution", "last wordism".
Do you think he is such a fast learner? I remember the pattern, and I've seen the little atrocities (deleting comments, petty insults) before! Are you interested in repeating history over and over again?
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:28, 1 July 2014 (EDT)
:User:PetyrB is another Markman/Bugler. Consider blocking him now. So far my track record is 100% being right when indicating someone is an insincere editor. And I don't expect to see User:PetyrB adding a lot of content to main space articles.
::Here are 3 acid tests to consider in the future: 1) Is he/she creating a significant amount of main space article content? If no, this is definitely a red flag. 2) Does the person have an aggressive personality? If so, then they may be trying to get rid of good faith editors. 3) Does the person use language that I use or praise my favorite projects at Conservapedia? If so, the person may be engaged [http://sales.about.com/od/glossaryofsalesterms/g/What-Is-Mirroring.htm in mirroring] in order to quickly gain rapport. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:35, 1 July 2014 (EDT)
:::I think that you two are overreacting. AugusO, you talk as if Andy has officially made me his second in command. In reality, the promotion I have been granted is rather modest. He has given me blocking rights and Skipcaptcha. That's it. You stated that I "hasn't made any substantial edit to an article, or started a new article". I don't see why this is relevant for me to have block rights, you don't need to write any article in order to properly block a spammer, a vandal or someone with an inappropriate username. As far as I gather, Andy has given me blocking rights for my work in reverting vandalism, not for any edits I have made.
:::User:Conservaitve wrote "User:PetyrB is another Markman/Bugler." How exactly did you reach this conclusion? I have lurked for some time on Conservapedia, and I'm aware that there are some mischievous vandals who try to insert parody into our wiki. Why do you think I'm one of them? Do you find hints of parody in any of the edits I have made so far?
:::Anyhow, the reason why I came to CP is to contribute, not to be endowed with blocking rights. Should Andy revoke my blocking rights, it would not cause me any grief (although I do want to retain the Skipcaptcha, it is helpful when editing). I just hope that this exchange of ours will soon forgotten and that our next interactions on this website will be more cordial. - [[User:PetyrB|PetyrB]] 16:54, 1 July 2014 (EDT)
::::PetyrB, please feel free to prove me wrong by creating a significant amount of new main space content.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:11, 1 July 2014 (EDT)
:::::Creating more content for CP is why I registered here. It will take me some time to reach impressive achievements since I'm relatively inexperienced at wiki-editing, but I hope that within a few months at the most I'll be able to show you that I mean well. - [[User:PetyrB|PetyrB]] 15:02, 2 July 2014 (EDT)
Based on IP address research that Karajou just performed, the evidence is pointing to PetyrB being user Markman/Markoman. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:39, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
'''Andy''', PetyrB went on a spree to replace every occurrence of "Son of Man" by your "translation". I tried to undo these edits, as I think that the last word on this matter shouldn't be written by someone like him. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 17:27, 23 July 2014 (EDT)
== George H. W. Bush ==
Are [[George H. W. Bush]] and [[Mike Crapo]] Conservatives or RINOs?--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 05:16, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
:[[George H. W. Bush]] was a [[RINO]]. I don't know enough about [[Mike Crapo]] to say.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:44, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
::There was a place in my heart for Bush until he "chucked aside my free market principles" and he came out in support of the banking bailout. Nowadays, I call him George "I chucked my principles" Bush. Without principles, you're not a man at all. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:51, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
== I suggest banning the parodist JamesWilson ==
I suggest banning the parodist JamesWilson or at the very least stripping him of his block rights.
JamesWilson just gave a bizarre definition of fornication. Namely, he claims fornication includes sex within marriage not intended for procreation.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Fornication&curid=104251&diff=1092465&oldid=854524] Setting aside the morality of sex inside of marriage not intended for procreation, this is certainly not fornication. Merriam-Webster, for example, defines fornication as "consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other".[http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fornication]
Secondly, he indicated on PetyrB's talk page that he wanted to have private email communications with him when I challenged PetyrB on being Markman the parodist. No doubt to give him suggestions on how to avoid detection as far as being a parodist.
Thirdly, correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall that JamesWilson's biggest "contributions" are to Elvis/Little Richard, etc. articles.
Fourthly, he has a penchant of attempting to curry favor with you which was a trait of Bugler, Markman, etc.
Fifthly, I have always suspected JamesWilson to be a parodist and so far my accuracy is 100%. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:49, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
:I saw that Conservative deleted and salted JamesWilson's user and user talk pages. However, he neglected to block the account. I don't know whether this was an oversight or an intentional decision. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 20:04, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
::积水之激，至于漂石者，势也。鸷鸟之疾，至于毁折者，节也。 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:36, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
:::I don't understand what you are saying (even with Google translate). Following the [[Conservapedia:Editing article and talk pages]] will help in effective communication on this project. Thanks, [[User:GregG|GregG]] 21:41, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
*As of 05:16, 9 July 2014, JamesWilson has blocked himself. If he can block himself, can he unblock himself? This is getting curiouser and curiouser. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 01:40, 9 July 2014 (EDT)
::He decided to get a new hobby because his days of being a parodist were effectively over. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:08, 9 July 2014 (EDT)
Conservative, given that your accuracy is 100%, what do you think of [[User:Historybuff]]? For me, he takes great efforts to sound like a sock of yours! Would you take action? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 17:14, 2 August 2014 (EDT)
== Tea Party Crusaders displays scammy advertisements ==
I was visiting the article "The country with second highest amount of abortions in the world decides to impose fines on abortions. Guess which country" on Tea Party Crusaders, linked on our front page. On the right side, there is a scammy advertisement simulating user interface elements, stating "Media content may not display properly. Download a new video content player now. Your system may not be able to play all media content and services available. Install new windows compatible software now." (For the record, my operating is Ubuntu 14.04). I have a screenshot that is available, but I cannot upload images to Conservapedia. <del>I wonder whether Conservapedia should link to sites carrying advertisements that could significantly harm our readers.</del> Many thanks, [[User:GregG|GregG]] 20:18, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
:GregG, please spare us your liberal hysterics. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:25, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
::I don't see web security as a partisan issue. Another advertisement I found imitated the Facebook mobile interface with a flashing notifications icon. Clicking the advertisement leads to a survey scam (also using Facebook's trade dress). [[User:GregG|GregG]] 21:46, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
:::GregG, I am not going to wrestle in the internet mud with an unreasonable liberal. You have cried wolf too many times before concerning your various petulant complaints. Game over. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:57, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
::::Thank you for your input, Conservative. I will leave the resolution of this issue to Mr. Schlafly (screenshots are also available upon request). [[User:GregG|GregG]] 22:15, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
:::::Against my better judgement, I investigated your complaint using an Opera browser with no advertisement blocker or other types of blocking on the Opera browser and it was a total waste of time. Please stop wasting my time. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:27, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
::::::If you have an e-mail address, I can send you the screenshots I took. Note that the scammy advertisements do not appear on every page load. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 22:30, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
::::::The [http://www.appnexus.com/ AppNexus] network delivered the advertisements I mentioned above. There are other ad networks on TPC. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 22:35, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
:::::::You want my email address so you can pesterfest me about nothing at will and waste more of my time whenever you desire. Gehenna will freeze over before that happens. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:39, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
*The main Tea Party site is the [http://www.tpnn.com/ Tea Party News Network]. Tea Party Crusaders is a rather obscure site to be getting so much material from. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 02:11, 9 July 2014 (EDT)
::Alexa ranks the Tea Party Crusaders website about 83,000 in the United States and I like a number of the stories they choose to cover. For example, they recently ran a number of: pro-life stories, Christian stories, anti-Obama stories, a godless Britain story, anti-atheism/evolution stories, pro-gun rights stories, anti-liberal stories, etc. They also chose to run a Christian athlete story recently.
::Unlike many Tea Party websites, they have a strong emphasis on the social issues. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:42, 9 July 2014 (EDT)
Here's another probably-fraudulent advertisement I found on TPC tonight: it states "CONGRATULATIONS! THIS IS NOT A JOKE! YOU ARE THE 100.000<sup>th</sup> VISITOR! <u>Click here</u>" (with the "click here" line in rapidly flashing black and white text). Clicking the advertisement leads to a "free product" scam, notable for requiring significant expense to obtain a nominally-free product (I will not make the obvious political comparison), one of which is a "$500 Unemployment Check", it also includes probably-fraudulent statements that there are only 5 or 6 products left, as well as testimonials of unknown provenance. Screenshots are available upon request. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 21:32, 7 August 2014 (EDT)
:Another ad I found this morning is an imitation of a browser plugin notification stating "This content requires Java 12.3. Would you like to install now?" In fact, there is no version 12.3 of Java. Clicking the advertisement links to a page promoting a video playing application, which, in turn, pops up a fake Windows Vista/Windows 7 dialog stating "Your [software] Download is ready!" Screenshots are available upon request. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 10:02, 8 August 2014 (EDT)
== Is [[User:CraigF2]] a parodist? ==
Dear Mr. Schlafly,
I recently saw some edits of [[User:CraigF2]]. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Toyota_Prius&diff=1093407&oldid=1093369 This one] in particular makes me believe that the user is a parodist, though I would like a second opinion. Thanks, [[User:GregG|GregG]] 21:22, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
:Your reversion was appropriate, and I don't disagree with your analysis.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:25, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
::After reading User:CraigF2's user page recently, I said to myself this editor is probably an atheist posing as a Christian conservative. GregG's pointing out of this recent edit of his, greatly reinforces my suspicion and has cemented it in. Like JamesWilson, CraigF2's parodist career is effectively over as he has been spotted. I am emailing Karajou now. I think it is time for CraigF2 to develop a new hobby to replace his [[Essay: Conservapedia obsessive compulsive disorder|Conservapedia obsessive compulsive disorder]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:16, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
== Please unprotect my talk page ==
It was protected by [[User:Conservative]] without explanation. Many thanks, [[User:GregG|GregG]] 22:21, 19 July 2014 (EDT)
:UPDATE: the page has been unprotected, but it is still troubling that an admin protected another user's user talk page without that user's request. Hopefully steps will be taken to ensure that a similar abuse of tools does not recur. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 22:32, 19 July 2014 (EDT)
== Animation article and Brian34 ==
You might want to lock the Animation page as it seems the socks of Brian34 et.al. are trying to create a revert war. I suggest you look into this issue. [[User:OraceHay|OraceHay]] 21:13, 20 July 2014 (EDT)
== Common Core ==
Hi there, should a special article be written on Common Core that isn't an essay? I'm asking for approval before I start. Thank you.
(Oh, and thanks for giving me blocking rights!) [[User:Atum|Atum]] 17:28, 22 July 2014 (EDT)
:Yes, a regular entry on Common Core would be great! Thanks in advance for starting one.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 17:36, 22 July 2014 (EDT)
== Republican Politicians ==
Hello there. I said this in an edit summary, but should something be done about the pages for Conservative and Liberal figures? There are all of these pages that are being ridiculously elaborated upon, such as [[Atheism]], yet for some political figures, they're just a few lines long. Anything I need to do about this, as if it's Conservapedia, it's pretty important to know about the politicians. Thank you. [[User:Atum|Atum]] 12:33, 26 July 2014 (EDT)
:More development of the entries about political figures would be terrific!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 12:41, 26 July 2014 (EDT)
::P.S. But politicians tend to be followers of culture and ideas, rather than leaders. The term "political leader" is a bit of an [[oxymoron]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 12:42, 26 July 2014 (EDT)
:::Talking of political leaders Andy, what is your opinion on Marco Rubio? He seems to be the leading candidate for the Republican 2016 election at this early stage. He has a lot going for him, his youth will appeal to younger voters and whilst no RINO, he seems more moderate than some so could pull the undecided or swing voters who would not back some other choices. He seems like a good option to me.--[[User:ColinP|ColinP]] 15:16, 26 July 2014 (EDT)
::::[[Marco Rubio]] was brought from obscurity by [[conservatives]] and elected by them. But after he was elected, he made the mistake of thinking he had a brighter future with moderates and [[RINO]]s. It's doubtful he can regain the conservative support he had previously.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:07, 27 July 2014 (EDT)
== Orwellian changes of Conservapedia's history ==
[[Conservapedia proven right]] shows numerous examples of predictions made by Conservapedia which became true. What happens when there is a prediction - prominently on display and repeatedly made - which doesn't become reality?
In 2012/2013, we read on the main page of Conservapedia news-items like the following:
{{cquote|50 page Question Evolution! booklet. Question Evolution! Campaign runaway train is going to be released|||[http://web.archive.org/web/20120215050509/http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page Feb 15, 2012]}}
{{cquote|A Question evolution! campaign group now has 3 writers and at least 3 Question Evolution! booklets/books will be coming out. Some of the booklets/books will be designed for young people.|||[http://web.archive.org/web/20120501184006/http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page May 1, 2012]}}
{{cquote|A 15 questions for evolutionists booklet and book for middle school students will soon be coming out and they are going to be heavily promoted and distributed.|||[http://web.archive.org/web/20120619134057/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Jun 19,2012]}}
{{cquote|SS Evolution! passengers get on your life jackets! A barrage of 100+ page Question evolution! campaign booklet torpedoes is headed your way!|||[http://web.archive.org/web/20120919002949/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Sep 19, 2012]}}
{{cquote|The Question evolution! book for middle school students, edited by a Christian apologist, gains in popularity. |||[http://web.archive.org/web/20130711205854/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Jul 11, 2013]}}
{{cquote|Canadian teacher at a Christian school will be serving as a science editor of the Question evolution! campaign book for middle school students.|||[http://web.archive.org/web/20130718204401/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Jul 18, 2013]}}
And many more...
Two and a half years later, this book hasn't been published. This is a prediction boldly made by Conservapedia on its main page (without any qualifiers) which just was wrong. But instead of owning up to it, gritting your teeth and admitting that such things happen, another way was chosen: I had to link to the news-items using the [http://web.archive.org internet archive], as every mentioning of this book was erased from the history of the main page and even from discussions on the archives of the main talk page! Though the "book for the middle school" was announced (according to my memory at least) on many talk-pages, User talk pages and even articles, now, you just find deleted revisions.
This reminds me of the erasure of [[Leon Trotsky]] from all documents and even photographs in the Soviet Union! But alas, such an attempt to change history will always be incomplete, and thereby counterproductive: How do you reply to someone who says "Obviously they are right at [[Conservapedia proven right]], but that is not surprising, as they erase all the cases when they are wrong."
I'm aware that you, Andy, probably won't react to this problem - and I'm afraid that this is something your sysops count on. As [[User:Conservative]] said in another deleted revision to [[User:GregG]]:
{{cquote|GregG, if you have any concerns or complaints about this matter, I/we would recommend that you take them to the owner of the website godspeed. I/we predict that you will get the "Schlafly ignore" - AGAIN! |||[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:14, 20 July 2014 (EDT)}}{{unsigned|AugustO}}
AugustO, evolutionists claim that truly astounding things can happen given enough time. Why do you doubt the cited news stories you indicated were on the main page? It has only been 2 1/2 years according to you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:51, 27 July 2014 (EDT)
:Sorry, missed my signature - I - [[User:AugustO]] wrote the text above. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:55, 27 July 2014 (EDT)
*I don't doubt that the stories once could be read on the main page, and that these stories were discussed on various talk-pages, though great efforts were taken to make every mentioning of the booklet disappear.
*Could you please try for once to stand by your announcements and your actions? Did you mean by ''soon''
::#in a million of years
::#in a couple of years
::#soon
*No Sun-Tzu, no weaseling, no ''I call you back, but I'm very busy now'', no ''you don't know who of my split persona made these announcements''. Please, please, please, talk the talk AND walk the walk. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 09:42, 2 August 2014 (EDT)
While you're waiting for a little booklet, how about a task from you, AugustO: prove evolution to be a fact using empirical evidence. What I have seen during the past few years is a deliberate attempt by critics to ''kill the message by killing the messenger.'' So what if a mere booklet cannot be produced; they've been trying to shut up Conservative since before this website was created, and they don't care that evidence has been presented which shows them to be completely and totally wrong (am I correct in saying that, Horace?). So here's the thing: if anyone does not like what we are saying about evolution; if anyone does not like what we are proving about evolution; if anyone does not like the fact that we are supporting GOD and His creation according to the Bible, that is just too bad. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 12:26, 2 August 2014 (EDT)
:*Thank you, Karajou, for taking an interest in this exchange! I think that it is very important that the older and more experienced administrators share their experience with the younger ones, who - like Conservative - are high-school students, but nevertheless have quite a bit of responsibility here at Conservapedia. I've said it before: I think that it is a good idea to make pupils an integral part of the administration of this website BUT these pupils shouldn't be left alone; they should be guided by Andy and others.
:*Normally, the (non-)existence of a "mere" booklet is a non-event, but during 2012 and 2013, there was no other item of news more extensively covered at the main-page than this "Question Evolution! campaign booklet" and the "Project 200+" - so, not I'm the one who blew this thing out of proportion!
:*And then, suddenly, it became taboo, the histories of pages were deleted and even archives containing announcements for the booklet were altered, creating the impression (at least here at Conservapedia), that no one has ever heard of this book. This is absurd!
:*I hope that you agree that such an act of apparent censorship doesn't help to maintain idea of a "trustworthy encyclopedia"!
:*A minor may think that it is a brilliant tactic to yell "just kidding" when an elaborate stunt has misfired, and to sweep any evidence under the carpet. I think it is the task of those to whom he is looking up, not to indulge him and to discourage such a behavior, as it is unbecoming for an adult.
:*I'm not trying to shut Conservative up, but I criticize some of his actions. And taking responsibility for your actions (and not hiding behind Chinese quotes, or a sudden influx of work...) is an important lesson in the school of life.
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 13:33, 2 August 2014 (EDT)
::AugustO, in 2013, Conservapedia reported on an announcement(s) made on another web property that indicated an event would happen "soon" as you indicated above. You also indicated that you don't know when "soon" is. I realize that immature people are often impatient. Aren't you making a tempest in a teapot? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:43, 2 August 2014 (EDT)
AugustO, the root of your problem is that you cannot satisfactorily answer the [http://creation.com/15-questions 15 questions] of the [[Question evolution! campaign]] and it upsets you. Prominent evolutionists have indicated that the origin of life is part of the evolutionary paradigm. [http://creation.com/origin-of-life] Of course, this means that the Question evolution! campaign stumped evolutionists with its very first question! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:25, 2 August 2014 (EDT)
:::@Conservative:
:::#The news item doesn't read ''"Some obscure blog made announced that a Question Evolution! campaign booklet for middle school pupils will be published soon"''. In fact it reads like any other prediction in [[Conservapedia proven right]].
:::#Do you think that any reader of these news-items has read "soon" meaning anything other but "in the near future", or worst "in a couple of months time"? If you wanted to indicate with "soon" "during the next few millenia", the whole situation gets worse: you were misleading your readers! Please take a look at the upper left corner: "CONSERVAPEDIA - THE TRUSTWORTHY ENCYCLOPEDIA".
:::#When you flooded the main-page with announcements about this booklet, you created the tempest. Please, don't try to deflect from this fact.
:::#What do you think of [[User:Historybuff]]? Please take a look at [[#I suggest banning the parodist JamesWilson]]. I hope that you prove immune against flattering edits!
:::@Karajou:
:::I don't think that one should encourage weaseling. Sadly, Conservative's comment above is an example of ''evading responsibility'', and not ''taking responsibility''.
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:22, 2 August 2014 (EDT)
AugustO, you had an opportunity to go up against the biology major [[VivaYehshua]] in an audio recorded debate relative to the 15 questions for evolutionists that would have been broadcast by the popular YouTube Christian channel [[Shockofgod]] with over 20,000 subscribers. You wimped out. Your comment about "evading" rings rather hollow.
AugustO, if only you had taken up the debate offer. Then you would be taken more seriously. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:10, 3 August 2014 (EDT)
:Even if I were the biggest wimp in the universe, I'd still see that you didn't address any of the points #1 - #4 above. Such an action is known as ''changing the topic'' or ''evading the question''. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:34, 3 August 2014 (EDT)
== Sissel upheld by D.C. Cir. ==
Dear Mr. Schlafly,
I wonder how the D.C. Circuit's [http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/07/appeals-court-rejects-new-test-of-health-care-mandate/ recent upholding] of the dismissal in ''Sissel v. HHS'' is going to affect ''Hotze''. Also, I found a [http://www.larryjoseph.com/_Dockets/Hotze-v-Sebelius.html website] hosting the briefs in ''Hotze'' online, so I was wondering how to go about writing a comprehensive Conservapedia article on the case (as well as, if copyright law permits, hosting the full text of the briefs on Conservapedia). Thanks, [[User:GregG|GregG]] 21:49, 29 July 2014 (EDT)
:Great comment, Greg. The Sissel decision ruled on the Origination Clause, but did not address all of the arguments on that Clause that have been presented in the Hotze case. Maybe I can write and post an analysis.
:As to briefs, I'm not sure what (if any) copyright issues exist. Presumably as long as you give credit, the doctrine of [[fair use]] would apply.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:14, 29 July 2014 (EDT)
== The latest Obama attack on arbitration ==
[http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2014/07/30/obama-order-to-expand-labor-rights-for-contractors Here]. Perhaps it can be featured on our main page. Thanks, [[User:GregG|GregG]] 20:16, 30 July 2014 (EDT)
:That is an interesting erosion of arbitration! "The president's order will also prohibit companies pursuing government contracts from requiring their workers to agree upfront to mandatory arbitration ...," your link explains.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:59, 30 July 2014 (EDT)
==Blacklisted word==
I can understand why the word "b*tcoin" may be associated with spammers, and needs to be blacklisted. However, I justed edited [[Wikimedia Foundation]] and could not save my edit until I replaced the i with an asterisk. Could an admin please go back and correct the spelling? If necessary, suspend the blacklist for a minute. Many thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 01:08, 9 August 2014 (EDT)
:On further thought, perhaps "b*tcoin" should be removed from the blacklist. If it were, I would add Seth Meyer's comment to the Reliability section of the main [[Wikipedia]] article and start a separate article on [[b*tcoin]]. It is important to understand the conservative perspective on alternative currencies: 1) a large part of our nation's international influence comes from the role of the US dollar as '''the''' currency of international trade, and 2) alternative currencies are used by criminals, such as Russian identity theft rings and international drug cartels to evade law enforcement. B*tcoin is designed to evade law enforcement, and it undercuts our nation's international influence. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 11:42, 9 August 2014 (EDT)
::I know that folks are very busy, but I am uncomfortable with the letter i being replaced by an asterisk. Could I please get some assistance on this matter. Many thanks. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 07:59, 11 August 2014 (EDT)
:::It should be updated as requested. Thanks for your patience.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 17:47, 11 August 2014 (EDT)
::::I have now corrected the spelling in [[Wikimedia Foundation]] and added the Seth Meyers' quote to [[Wikipedia]]. May I start the bitcoin article as outlined above, or is that a sensitive subject that should be left to a more experienced editor? Many thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 19:05, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
:::::An encyclopedic, lawful article about bitcoin would be fine.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:01, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
== Conservapedia cited in a prestigious book against atheism ==
On occasion, I butted heads with Roman Catholic, theistic evolutionist editors such as GregG, TK and NKeaton.
I just found out that John J. Pasquini, Th.D., a Roman Catholic priest and scholar, cited my Conservapedia [[atheism]] articles three times in his book'' Atheist Persona: Causes and Consequences'' (the book has 77 footnotes and cites Conservapedia atheism articles in footnotes 34, 64 and 67).[http://books.google.com/books?id=OMRhAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=conservapedia+atheism&source=bl&ots=XoulnSQ90x&sig=_1xyC3wiZtD9ihYXVljTugA2tGk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pL_3U72vB4r6oQTGg4HwCQ&ved=0CGsQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=conservapedia%20atheism&f=false] The book was favorably reviewed by [[Michael Behe]] (a leading proponent of [[intelligent design]] theory), [[Paul Vitz]] and [[Michael Egnor]] (also a proponent of intelligent design) and was published by the academic publisher University Press of America.[http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/atheist-persona-john-j-pasquini/1117916966?ean=9780761863328]
The book only cited the ''Encyclopedia Britannica'' once. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:10, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
:Very good achievement!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:02, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
::I read the beginning of the book and its table of contents and he appeared to gain a significant amount of his information from the Conservapedia atheism article. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:34, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
== Constitution course and state constitutions ==
Dear Mr. Schlafly,
Have you considered a comparative discussion of state constitutions, either as part of the Constitution course or as a separate course. I think it would be really interesting for students to contrast state constitutions with each other and with the federal Constitution. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 14:00, 30 August 2014 (EDT)
:A great suggestion, Greg, but state constitutions are not really in the same league as the U.S. Constitution in eloquence, brevity, or tremendous design. It would be like teaching a course about the ''Mona Lisa'' along with ... ordinary art. Maybe the contrast would be edifying.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:24, 30 August 2014 (EDT)
::I think someone could offer a college level course of "Constitutions and the political process." State Constitutions serve a much more political role than the Federal Constitution because they are easier to amend and the voters only look at them when they are up for amendment. A good example is Virginia. In 2010 over 80% of the voters approved a constitutional amendment authorizing a real property tax exemption for the principle residence of service members with a 100% disability. Politicians favored it because it allowed the state legislators to demonstrate that they are pro-veteran. However, this begs the question as to why the Virginia Constitution is so rigid in its overall treatment of real property tax assessment. (Answer: they don't trust the county-based tax assessors.) So, as soon as the amendment past, people started to ask why there is no exemption for the surviving spouse of a service member killed-in-action? (After all, a dead service member is more than 100% disabled.) So, on the 2014 ballot we will vote on a second very narrow constitutional amendment. This gives politicians a second chance to show that they are pro-veteran. Maybe in 2018 we can do an amendment for veterans currently enrolled in college under the GI-Bill? [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 01:08, 31 August 2014 (EDT)
== Scam ads, CNAV edition ==
I was viewing a CNAV article, and an ad appeared stating "Update Your Video Plugin [triangle pointing right]: See & Download Your Favorite Videos With [Name of Software] It's Free [checkmark]". Clicking the ad leads to a fake dialog box (in the style of Windows Vista) with title bar "Required Update", dialog title "Recommended Update", and text "The latest version of New Player [note: not the name of software in the ad] with critical security fixes is ready to install now / It wouldn't take too long to upgrade - and you'll get all the latest improvements and fixes." Screenshots available on request. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 21:35, 1 September 2014 (EDT)
Another advertisement for what appears to be the same product has the heading "(4) New Plugin Update !" and a fake title bar, minimize and close buttons, and mouse cursor moving through the ad. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 21:36, 1 September 2014 (EDT)
Another advertisement I found has the text "COME CLOSE to YOUR RUSSIAN AFFAIR"; no further comment needed. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 21:39, 1 September 2014 (EDT)
Meanwhile, on TPC I found headlines in the RevContent sponsored content plugin reading "Hottest Actresses That Bare It All", "Celebs Who Flash More than Their Winning", "Sexiest Celebrity Boobs in Hollywood", and "The Best Bodies on REEF Girls Ever" (the last has a picture of women with extremely skimpy underwear. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 22:02, 1 September 2014 (EDT)
:There are no ads on this website, and this website has no control over off-site ads. But your criticism has been forwarded and I've since been told the off-site ads will improve. Thanks for mentioning this.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:36, 2 September 2014 (EDT)
::Thank you very much for looking into this (as well as for continuing to financially and otherwise support this widely-known project without commercial advertisement or pledge drives). I am hopeful that Conservapedia's name can convince news sites that Conservapedia frequently promotes to take steps to ensure all their ads are high quality. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 19:59, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
== Thanks ==
Thank you for expanding my rights.--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 16:03, 20 September 2014 (EDT)
:Your account promotion was well-deserved!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 18:45, 21 September 2014 (EDT)
== Bariatric science ==
Conservapedia ranks in the Google USA top 10 for the search [[Bariatric science]] as can be seen [https://www.google.com/search?q=bariatric+science&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb HERE]. Conservapedia: one of the premier web resources for the topic of bariatric science! :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:38, 27 September 2014 (EDT)
== VargasMilan ==
He and I are having a little argument (see my talk page) over whether he has blocking rights. Did you neglect to congratulate him? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 01:38, 28 September 2014 (EDT)
== A request ==
First, thank you for letting me contribute to the Constitution lectures.
Second, I recently came across [http://www.afj.org/multimedia/first-monday-films/films/lost-in-the-fine-print this trailer] for an upcoming film made by one of the principal attackers of arbitration, which from viewing the trailer, is likely to be little more than disparagement of arbitration based on outdated anecdotes and mischaracterizations of arbitration. Given your skill in publicizing Conservapedia, I was hoping that we could write and publicize a rebuttal to the film once it becomes publicly available. (I think something like [http://www.hotcoffeetruth.com/ this] would be what we're after.)
Many thanks,
[[User:GregG|GregG]] 22:52, 2 October 2014 (EDT)
:Greg, your contributions to the Constitution lectures are superb! Thank you.
:I'd be very interested in seeing and reviewing a film against arbitration. I would not think the issue lends itself well to the silver screen.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 09:47, 3 October 2014 (EDT)
== Latin, Hebrew, etc. ==
Thanks for your response and suggestion on the questions page. Unfortunately, I don't exactly know how to "copy from elsewhere". Do you mean "elsewhere on Conservapedia"? Please answer on my [[User_talk:Dataclarifier|Talk page]]. Thanks. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] 12:39, 3 October 2014 (EDT)
== Copyright and patent clause ==
Dear Mr. Schlafly,
I saw that you [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=American_Government_and_the_Constitution_Lecture_Two&curid=132247&diff=1109607&oldid=1106752 corrected] the citation for the copyright and patent clause in Lecture Two; however, you neglected to change the clause number in the succeeding explanation. Thanks, [[User:GregG|GregG]] 19:36, 5 October 2014 (EDT)
:Great catch! Corrected the error.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 00:12, 6 October 2014 (EDT)
== Please unprotect [[Quote mining]] ==
Dear Mr. Schlafly,
Could you please unprotect [[Quote mining]]? My arbitration research found an example of Peter Rutledge being quoted out of context by liberals; his rebuttal is found [http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/121713QFRs-Rutledge.PDF here]. Thanks, [[User:GregG|GregG]] 19:23, 31 October 2014 (EDT)
:GregG, add the example to [[Quoting out of context]]. Problem solved. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:06, 31 October 2014 (EDT)
==Hello==
I was wondering if you could tell me if there is some kind of time restriction on editing. I work shifts, and this month I'll be up overnight. I was wondering if I could get access to edit throughout the night. Thanks for your help [[User:DevilDog|DevilDog]] 00:21, 16 December 2014 (EST)
== Question about picture uploading rights ==
Can picture uploading rights be given without making someone an Admin/Sysop? Can MediaWki do this? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:41, 18 December 2014 (EST)
:Yes.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:48, 18 December 2014 (EST)
== Holy Ghost ==
Andy, I just had hoped that you had stopped applying your unique idea of translating to the Bible, but you seem to be relentless. In the Gospel of Luke, you are using now "Holy Ghost", "Holy Spirit", "Divine Force", "Spirit of God", "Divine Guidance", "Force of God" for the Greek πνεῦμα - and it is not always clear for the reader of the "translation" which of these phrases refer to the same entity. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 09:40, 21 December 2014 (EST)
Any ideas? I tried to create some much-need unity at [[Luke_1-8_(Translated)]]. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 12:39, 16 February 2015 (EST)
== Relativity ==
*At "[[Conservapedia:Community_Portal#two millionth page view for the "Counterexamples to Relativity" page]]", did you really accept the mass-energy-equivalence? Perhaps you should clarify your thoughts: [[amu]] is a unit of mass, not energy :-)
*A couple of months ago, I've posed [[Talk:E=mc²#A few questions for Aschlafly regarding the experiment of Cockcroft and Walton|A few questions for Aschlafly regarding the experiment of Cockcroft and Walton]]. It would be a nice Christmas gift to get well-thought-out answers to those :-)
*You should address [[Talk:Theory_of_relativity#READ_THE_MANUAL]]
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 09:52, 21 December 2014 (EST)
:I have responded at: [[Conservapedia:Community_Portal#Two_millionth_page_view_for_the_.22Counterexamples_to_Relativity.22_page]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:35, 21 December 2014 (EST)
::Your response was:
:::"''You rely on primitive technology used in an 82-year-old experiment. The technology is far better now, and the claim of mass-energy equivalence cannot be verified.''"
::We don't discard Foucault pendulum because it is 150 years old and was performed using a piece of string and a piece of lead. No, it is repeated over and over again. Same is true for Cockcroft and Walton: this experiment is performed routinely in courses on modern physics, using modern technology. But if you wish for some state-of-the-art experiment, take a look at [http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/n7071/abs/4381096a.html World Year of Physics: A direct test of E=mc²]...
::And you didn't respond to the second or the thrid point. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:19, 22 December 2014 (EST)
:::But neither Cockcroft, Walton, nor the Noble committee claimed that the experiment demonstrated anything about E=mc<sup>2</sup>. And the citation to ''Nature'' magazine for a supposed physics breakthrough? Please. ''Nature'' is not a top-tier physics journal. It's popularized science, which is all that the silly E=mc<sup>2</sup> formula is.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 09:23, 22 December 2014 (EST)
::::That's just hand-waving! Please answer the question at [[Talk:E=mc²#A few questions for Aschlafly regarding the experiment of Cockcroft and Walton|A few questions for Aschlafly regarding the experiment of Cockcroft and Walton]] - I think they are educational, and will help everybody's understanding of the subject.
::::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:40, 28 December 2014 (EST)
I removed the blatantly false statement ''The claims of mass-energy equivalence have not been replicated with more advanced modern technology. '' Before you edit the article on [[Cockcroft and Walton Experiment]] again, you should show your knowledge by answering [[Talk:E=mc²#A few questions for Aschlafly regarding the experiment of Cockcroft and Walton|A few questions for Aschlafly regarding the experiment of Cockcroft and Walton]]! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:39, 7 January 2015 (EST)
== Project ==
I put this notice on several active editors talk pages:
Would you like to collaborate with other editors on a wiki project to help Conservapedia be a strong resource for a given topic.
The topic could be decided by the editors participating.
If you are interested, please go to: [http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Community_Portal#A_project_for_active_editors_to_collaborate_on The collaborative project]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:58, 25 December 2014 (EST)
== quick note ==
A conservative website that is an Alexa USA top 70,000 is looking for content and so they are featuring some of Conservapedia's most popular articles as far as the first 300 words and then they are providing a link to the Conservapedia article. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:13, 29 December 2014 (EST)
== ban ==
Hello Mr. Aschlafly, I would like to discuss my ban (6ebeast), specifically why I was banned. ([[User:WashingtonLincoln|WashingtonLincoln]] 18:58, 31 December 2014 (EST))
==Ayurvedic medicine==
You know me as conservative on social or fiscal issues, but my conservatism reaches its zenith on medicine. I am very dedicated to Western medicine, and run away from "new age" or other fringe medicine approaches. Andy, you have to draw a line here on whether Conservapedia has the expertise and resources to cover Ayurvedic medicine properly. I doubt that we do and should stay away from it completely. Please decide and tell [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] you decision. Many thanks for all that you do for the Conservative movement. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 21:42, 2 January 2015 (EST)
:[[:Category:Ayurvedic Medicine]] is like an advert for alternative medicine: it has 110 subcategories and is itself in 26 categories:
::[[:Category:Ayurvedic Medicine]]|[[:Category:Tibetan Medicine]]|[[:Category:Complementary Medicine]]|[[:Category:Medicine]]|[[:Category:Health Care]]|[[:Category:Traditional Chinese Medicine]]|[[:Category:Naturopathic Medicine]]|[[:Category:Herbalism]]|[[:Category:Medicinal Plants]]|[[:Category:Herbs]]|[[:Category:Spices]]|[[:Category:Plants used in Traditional Chinese Medicine]]|[[:Category:Plants used in Ayurvedic Medicine]]|[[:Category:Plants used in Western Herbal Medicine]]|[[:Category:Herbalists]]|[[:Category:Health]]|[[:Category:Survivalism]]|[[:Category:India]]|[[:Category:Tibet]]|[[:Category:Nepal]]|[[:Category:Mongolia]]|[[:Category:Burma]]|[[:Category:Thailand]]|[[:Category:Sri Lanka]]|[[:Category:Asia]]|[[:Category:Southeast Asia]]|
:That could be a kind of record! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:04, 3 January 2015 (EST)
===Response to [[User:Wschact]] and [[User:AugustO]] Regarding Ayurvedic - Chinese - Western Herbal Medicine on Conservapedia ===
:: Happy New Year [[User:Aschlafly]], [[User:Wschact]], [[User:AugustO]], [[User:Conservapedia]], and [[User:Karajou]]
Thank you for your patience with this detailed point-by-point response.
Like you [[User:Wschact]], I too am a steadfast conservative, but on much more than just social and fiscal issues, as my thousands of conservative point-of-view Conservapedia edits can attest to (Please see my [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] for more information). Also like you [[User:Wschact]], I too am very dedicated to Western medicine and work together with a medical doctor with a busy private practice office in a large hospital setting where he and I integrate both modern pharmaceutical based treatment and the use of custom made Ayurvedic-Chinese-Western herbal formulas, nutrition (based on Ayurvedic and Chinese medicine concepts) and acupuncture. He supervises my practice in that setting. Like you [[User:Wschact]], both he and I also run away from the myriad "new age" medicine approaches. However, Ayurvedic medicine, Chinese medicine - Acupuncture and Western herbal medicine are not "new age". Ayurveda and Chinese medicine - Acupuncture have been in continuous use since at least 250 B.C. according to archaeological evidence and extant classic medical texts in both Chinese characters, Tibetan and Sanskrit (which I can read by the way in Devanagari script).
Conservapedia does indeed have the expertise and resources to cover Ayurvedic medicine and Chinese medicine - acupuncture properly since I am contributing as a dedicated regular editor and have joined the [[Wikiproject:Medicine]] to lend my ongoing support editing/categorizing ALL articles in the realm of medicine / anatomy in addition to my other subject matter expertise areas on my User Page / Talk Page.
[[User:PhilH]] has said there is no clinical evidence to support complementary medicine. Not according to the U.S. National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine of the National Institutes of Health who funds clinical trials on herbal medicines effectiveness, not according to medical doctors in America who integrate modern medicine with complementary medicine, not according to numerous conservatives who rely on complementary medicine including Western herbalism, Chinese Medicine, Ayurveda and Acupuncture. Just the fact that there is licensing for acupuncture in most of the U.S. states (majority of states require the licensing examination or certification, and several states allow oriental medicine practitioners to be "primary care providers" for legal and insurance purposes; nineteen states specifically include Chinese herbology instead of just acupuncture). For naturopathic medicine 17 states, five Canadian provinces, the District of Columbia, and the US territories of Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands all have laws regulating naturopathic doctors (See map http://aanmc.org/images/LicensureMapBig.jpg -- even very conservative states such as my home state of Idaho in the [[American Redoubt]], along with Montana and Utah license naturopathy).
All of this attests to complementary medicine's broader acceptance, not to mention the size of the herbal market in the U.S. economy: For herbal medicine "overall sales reached $5.6 billion in 2012" "rising from $4.2 billion in 2000" (http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Markets/Herbal-supplement-sales-rose-5.5-in-US-in-2012-ABC-says)
There are many conservatives blogs and forums that I follow that have regular articles on complementary medicine and herb usage. Complementary/alternative medicine is not some liberal, hippie or New Age thing. It is even paid for by many insurance companies now. There is worker's comp coverage for it in certain U.S. states.
Regarding evidence in my articles, I will indeed be submitting footnoted hyperlinked clinical evidence from MedLine / PubMed.
Regarding the [[:Category:Ayurvedic Medicine]] having lots of sub-categories: There are many sub-categories in the Ayurvedic medicine category since it is a broad science including many diverse health and disease topics and since I am a very detail oriented person as you can see with my contributions for the firearms categorizations (which formerly were all lumped into just the Category of "Guns"). I am using that [[:Category:Ayurvedic Medicine]] and its temporarily numerous subcategories as a way of '''temporarily''' getting a broad view and tracking ability of ALL of the medicine-anatomy categories and articles in order to update them all over the coming months. I promise that I will pare that category down in the next 60 days to something smaller once I have updated-edited-expanded '''ALL''' of the medicine/anatomy related articles to follow a consistent yet detailed categorization scheme. I always start first with detailed Wiki categories in order to flesh out the scope-breadth-depth and a logical structure for the articles I will submit. I am doing the same detailed categorization for Firearms and other areas.
[[User:Conservative]] has been "mentoring" me as to what I should and shouldn't post. I have been following this for guidance as well: [[Conservapedia:Editorial_authority]]. I also received advice from [[User:Karajou]] on Sat, 26 Apr 2014 23:15:17 by e-mail (conservapedia AT zoho.com) who said, "Try your hand at writing complete articles. Conservapedia is not just something containing conservative thought; it is also intended to be a family encyclopedia, so it has to have info on planes, trains, automobiles, animals, sports teams, camera systems, or whatever else comes to mind. So, if you happen to be an expert on - say, rowboats - write an article on rowboats. Karajou".
Thus, following Karajou's advice above and oversight from [[User:Conservative]], I am writing "whatever comes to mind" on what I "happen to be an expert on". Thus, I have be developing a lot of detailed articles and their categorizations for my 6 areas of specialization (in order of my depth of subject matter expertise): 1. Medicine, 2. Computer networks (17 years professional experience), 3. [[Preparedness]]-Survivalism, 4. [[Firearm]]s, 5. [[Permaculture]] [[gardening]], 6. [[Radio communication technologies]] - [[Amateur radio]]. Being a staunch American conservative libertarian "prepper" [[gun enthusiast|"gun nut"]], I obviously write/edit from that perspective.
For these and many other reasons, I don't see a reason for Conservapedia to stay away from complementary medicine completely as you suggest [[User:Wschact]]. Thus, I will continue to contribute such works to Conservapedia until I am told to stop by any of the CP Administrators such as [[User:Aschlafly]], [[User:Conservative]], or user [[User:Karajou]].
Thank you to you all for your work for our Conservative movement. Godspeed. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 06:57, 3 January 2015 (EST)
:Technical hint: If you read ''edit conflict'', by going on without checking for it you will delete someone else's comment. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:02, 3 January 2015 (EST)
'''Andy, we await your guidance on this important issue.''' Many thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 00:22, 4 January 2015 (EST)
::The National Institute of Health website has two introductory articles on this topic [http://nccam.nih.gov/health/ayurveda/introduction.htm HERE] and [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2996577/ HERE].
::No matter what health treatment you choose for an ailment, it is best to take a caveat emptor (Let the buyer beware) approach and do your due diligence. There are plenty of quacks/frauds/incompetents in all branches of medicine/health care (My doctor called out another doctor for his fraudulent study in front of other doctors and this ruffled some feathers. Fraud is rampant in medicine). You have to weigh the benefits/costs of any treatment/provider and an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
::Robert Louis Stevenson's ''Treasure Island'' character Long John Silver said, "Doctors is all swabs...". :) Medicine is still a science/art. That is why they say doctors practice medicine. :)[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:21, 4 January 2015 (EST)
The [[History of science|history of science]] shows many examples where the medical science community consensus was in error, was scientifically unsound, or had little or no empirical basis. For example, [[bloodletting]] was practiced from antiquity and still had many practitioners up until the late 1800s.[http://www.bcmj.org/premise/history-bloodletting] In his essay, ''A Paradigm Shift: Are We Ready?'' , Niranjan Kissoon, M.D. wrote: "...history is rife with examples in which our best medical judgment was flawed. The prestigious'' British Medical Journal'' begun in 1828 chose the name'' Lancet'' to signal its scholarly intent and cutting edge therapy."(''A Paradigm Shift: Are We Ready?'' , Niranjan Kissoon, M.D.).
In a 1991 [[BMJ]] (formerly called the British Medical Journal) article, Richard Smith (editor of BMJ at the time) wrote: "There are 30,000 biomedical journals in the world...Yet only about 15% of medical interventions are supported by solid scientific evidence, [[David Eddy]] professor of health policy and management at [[Duke University]], told a conference in Manchester last week. This is partly because only 1% of the articles in medical journals are scientifically sound and partly because many treatments have never been assessed at all."[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=1932964&query_hl=6&itool=pubmed_docsum] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:39, 4 January 2015 (EST)
:Out of curiosity, I did a bit of research on the life expectancies of the populations USA, China and Japan. I am guessing in China that traditional Chinese medicine is used a lot based on past conversations with my Chinese friends, but they also use Western medicine too. A National Institute Health (NIH) article by Nobutaka Suzuki indicates: "The situation in Japan should be of much interest, since Japan is unique as a country in which highly advanced modern Western medicine coexists with traditional Asian medicine."[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC516460/]
:The life expectancy of the USA is about 78 years. The life expectancy in China is not much different and is about 75 years. The Japanese are more health conscious than both China/USA and their life expectancy is about 83 years (Preventative medicine is still by far the best medicine. Too many Western doctors are overweight and provide a poor example to their patients). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:19, 4 January 2015 (EST)
Our mutual goal is for everyone to live a healthy and happy life. Our CP community is working toward that goal by providing reliable information to people in the form of an on-line encyclopedia. Every family faces health challenges, and when someone in my family needs health care, we turn to Western medicine. I do not provide medical advice, but with several doctors and RNs in my extended family, there is no shortage of Western medicine expertise in my family. With that background, I wish to respond to the above points. I agree that Western medicine has its deficiencies, doctors can misdiagnose patients, and cures are not guaranteed. However, there are serious issues with Ayurvedic medicine and much of it has not been proven by controlled clinical trials.
A dedicated group of volunteers have written articles and a hierarchy of categories at a level suitable for a homeschooled high school student on a wide variety of subjects. Some scientific subjects may be tangentially related to Ayurvedic medicine. Putting a "see also" or Ayurvedic medicine category reference on all such tangential articles puts CP in the position of promoting Ayurvedic medicine over western medicine. CP would never add "See also Anacin" to the article on [[headache]] because we don't do advertising here, and most CP editors do not have the expertise to recommend Anacin over other headache cures. Wikipedia has the following legal disclaimer:
:"WIKIPEDIA DOES NOT GIVE MEDICAL ADVICE
:"Wikipedia contains articles on many medical topics; however, no warranty is made that any of the articles are accurate. There is absolutely no assurance that any statement contained or cited in an article touching on medical matters is true, correct, precise, or up-to-date. The overwhelming majority of such articles are written, in part or in whole, by nonprofessionals. Even if a statement made about medicine is accurate, it may not apply to you or your symptoms.
:"The medical information provided on Wikipedia is, at best, of a general nature and cannot substitute for the advice of a medical professional (for instance, a qualified doctor/physician, nurse, pharmacist/chemist, and so on). Wikipedia is not a doctor."<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Medical_disclaimer</ref> Wikipedia also has special rules as to what sources can be used in a medical article there.
We should not give undue weight to Ayurvedic medicine on CP. I can understand having a half dozen articles on the subject which contain objective descriptions of the theory and treatment approaches, but homeschooled students should be able to read an article about a human body part without being steered toward Ayurvedic medicine over Western medicine. I think that the Mayo Clinic is one of the best hospitals in America, but I should not be allowed to add "See also Mayo Clinic" to every article about a disease.
What is the cost or risk of promoting Ayurvedic medicine on CP? Well, if a user follows our advice and uses an Ayurvedic medicine treatment instead of a Western treatment, there is the potential of tort liability. As a secondary matter, if CP comes across as a Ayurvedic medicine spam site, we will lose readers and credibility as an encyclopedia. Finally, if the Ayurvedic medicine articles are copy and pasted from copyrighted websites, there is copyright liability.
I don't have the time or expertise to supervise the expansion of CP into the realm of Ayurvedic medicine and I question whether [[User:Aschlafly]] or [[User:Conservative]] have the time or expertise either. There is so much that we can do as the best of the public to serve our readers in our current scope that I recommend that we retain our current focus. But I understand that this is a big decision that is above my pay grade and I await Andy's decision. Many thanks! [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 04:13, 4 January 2015 (EST)
:My two cents and then I will bow out of the conversation: When it come to health care choices, the three most important criteria are efficacy (cure rate, time to cure, etc.), toxicity/side effects and price. Because of this, there is often no one size fits all in terms of treatment. Why? Because some people are bigger risk takers and will push the efficacy envelope despite increased risks (for example, Excedrin is stronger and works faster than Tylenol but it also has more side effects). Also, some people cannot afford the very best treatments but wealthy people can go to the very best in their specialty and even travel to do so. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:58, 4 January 2015 (EST)
::Thank you for the reply. Please clarify whether you are willing to mentor [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] and check that he does an objective job adding Ayurvedic medicine to articles without copy and pasting from other websites. Many thanks. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 09:27, 4 January 2015 (EST)
::: I truly appreciate both of your thoughtful and detailed replies to [[User_talk:Aschlafly#Response_to_User:Wschact_and_User:AugustO_Regarding_Ayurvedic_-_Chinese_-_Western_Herbal_Medicine_on_Conservapedia]].
:::[[User:Wschact]], don't worry, I promise you I will not make the CPP site a big advertisement for Ayurvedic and Chinese medicine. Regarding your Tort law concerns, that is why I created [[Template:Medical_Notice]]. Regarding the number of proposed articles on Ayurvedic herbs, it is because many of them are also commonly used in Western herbology so are quite familiar to Westerners such as [[turmeric]], [[ginger]], [[cardamom]], [[garlic]], [[cloves]], [[cinnamon]], etc.
:::Speaking of the Mayo Clinic that you mentioned, that renowned and respected clinic has found in their research, according to my M.D. colleague I work with, that taking a particular daily 3x dosage of [[turmeric]] is as effective as the leading anti-arthritic pharmaceutical in treating certain types of [[arthritis]], yet without any [[side effect]]s. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 13:21, 4 January 2015 (EST)
Dear Andy: We are still awaiting your judgment on Conservapedia's approach to alternative medicine in general and Ayurvedic medicine in particular. We also need your views on {{tl|Medical Notice}}. Many thanks! [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 13:08, 8 January 2015 (EST)
== User:Conservative's sock(s) ==
I understand that some administrators have various accounts for obvious reasons (e.g., [[User:Joaquín Martínez]] and his dummy [[User:JMR10]]), and I'm fine with it - it is for the sake of the project.
But [[User:Conservative]] created a sock-puppet account [[User:Historybuff]] without being honest about it: its whole ''raison d'être'' was to appear as an independent agent in a discussion at [[Talk:Conservapedia proven wrong]] and to agree with [[User:Conservative]]'s position (see http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Conservapedia_proven_wrong&oldid=1096931 ).
You don't have to trust how I reasoned three months later that [[User:Historybuff]] was indeed a sock of [[User:Conservative]] (see [[Talk:Main_Page#.C3.80_propos_resolutions_and_announcements]]) - I request that you use checkuser to verify this accusation.
I'm disappointed that an administrator uses sock(s) to deceive fellow editors, and I think that [[User:Conservative]]'s behavior while discussing this sordid affair is even worse: while the [[Conservapedia:Guidelines]] clearly state that ''Conservapedia does not allow "sockpuppet" accounts or unaccountable anonymous proxy use.'', he claims that his actions are covered by a remark at [[Conservapedia:Sockpuppet]] (''Some Administrators may use Sockpuppets occasionally or Single Purpose Accounts. ''). This remark was introduced to the article by a now disgraced editor ([[User:RobSmith]]) without any discussion - and I doubt that even he meant to cover the use of socks in such a misleading way...
I'd ask you to make it clear that you don't approve the use of sock puppets - even for administrators - if these sockpuppets are there to pretend to be other, independent persons.
'''I really appreciate an answer of you on this topic''' --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:57, 3 January 2015 (EST)
:AugustO, you offered up a dead link as evidence of something. Before you engage in wiki lawyering, first get your ducks in a row!
:A conservative wiki doesn't operate on mob rule/groupthink/consensus. This wiki is not Wikipedia. Why would the User: Conservative account feel a need to get someone to publicly agree with a position? Liberals are fond of the bandwagon fallacy, not conservatives! And if the User: Conservative account consists of more than one editor, then why would the User: Conservative account need to show another person agreeing about a matter?
:AugustO, the edit made through the historybuff account clearly rattled you in some way. It's time to compose yourself. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:54, 3 January 2015 (EST)
::Sigh. I linked to a now deleted revision. Andy and you both are able to retrieve the content. Here, for your convenience, the contributions of [[User:Historybuff]] to the page [[Talk:Conservapedia proven wrong]]:
::{|class="wikitable"
|'''October 26, 2012'''
The [http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2013/10/mit-technology-review-decline-of.html October 26, 2014 event] was described as a clandestine event by a creationist blog and subsequently reported by Conservapedia as a news event.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Mainpageright&diff=1068741&oldid=1068732] Why would we expect the mainstream news media and other media outlets to report on a clandestine event? Historians don't use the absence of evidence as evidence of absence in terms of events occurring or not occurring in history and AugustO is practicing bad historiography.
Most of the population growth in the world today is happening in the developed world and a large percentage of these people [[Desecularization|are from creationist families]] and grow up to be creationists. October 26, 2012 was a terrible day for Darwinism as is today. Darwinists can hide from this trend, but they cannot hide! [[User:Historybuff|Historybuff]]
|-
|'''re: book'''
When asking a historical question to frame a historical investigation, a historian [http://amorebeautifulquestion.com/historians-view-of-questioning/ must be both explicit and precise]. The word "soon" is not explicit and precise. The meaning of "soon" varies depending on a person's culture and personal disposition.
Therefore, as far as this 2013 announcement made on another website which Conservapedia reported on, AugustO's accusation cannot be sustained. [[User:Historybuff|Historybuff]] 17:04, 2 August 2014 (EDT)
|}
::Your sock [[User:Historybuff]] gave the impression of an independent commentator who was just in total agreement with you, thereby supporting your position - something worse than a [[claqueur]]. Do you deny that such an action is dishonest?
::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:33, 3 January 2015 (EST)
:::Does the User: Conservative account merely consist of one editor? Did User: Karajou tell you that the User: Conservative consist of merely one editor (Something I highly doubt since he was privately told that the User: Conservative account consists of more than one editor). How long will you continue this Pickett's Charge? You remind me of the WWII German evolutionists who kept fighting after America entered the war (The creationist Dwight D. Eisenhower certainly outfoxed the German evolutionists! [http://www.icr.org/article/presidential-support-for-creationism/]).
:::By the way, why is what the historybuff account posted to you so upsetting to you? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:43, 3 January 2015 (EST)
::::*Here, I'm talking about your ''socks'', not about your version of a split personality.
::::*The content of [[User:Historybuff]]'s edits isn't upsetting - the fact that you saw the need to hide behind a dummy to make these points is disturbing. (That you don't see that this tactic is dishonest even more so.)
::::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:54, 3 January 2015 (EST)
AugustO, do you believe that one person largely wrote the [[homosexuality]] and the [[Atheist actions against homosexuals]] article (the title of the article was originally Atheist persecution against homosexuals" if memory serves, but one editor within "User: Conservativedom" objected to this title) and that one person wrote both articles. The article [[Atheist actions against homosexuals]] was a shock to those obsessed with the User: Conservative account and the footnoting style is different than the [[homosexuality]] article as well. What are your thoughts on this matter?
AugustO, it appears to irritate you to no end that you cannot prove that historybuff was an editor who also edited using the User: Conservative account. Stealthy American creationists no doubt irritated German evolutionists when American creationists landed on the beaches of Normandy!
微乎微乎，至于无形；神乎神乎，至于无声；故能为敌之司命。 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:07, 3 January 2015 (EST)
: come on ken we all know it's you. stop this silly game. with love, --[[User:TimothyT1|TimothyT1]] 18:14, 3 January 2015 (EST)
::Solve [[Atheist actions against homosexuals|the mystery]]!! Much to his dismay, AugustO certainly cannot!! Clearly, the term [[Atheist actions against homosexuals|"LGBTQ community"]] lacks machismo! Does it not? :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:28, 3 January 2015 (EST)
:::By the way AugustO, if German evolutionists are so adamantly opposed to stealth, then why did you guys use so many U-boats in WWII? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:20, 3 January 2015 (EST)
==References==
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==The Liberals smear campaign Won -- I now retire from editing Conservapedia==
I must say that the liberal smear campaign and relentless edits/deletions from 5 very loud CP liberal trolls / RINOs (besides the vociferous [[User:Wschact]], you know who you are and will be happy to know you have won) has been no fun. I am sad to say, it is much worse edit wars and liberal reverts than ''anything'' I contributed over the years to Wikipedia. Sorry [[User:Aschlafly]], [[User:Conservative]], [[User:Karajou]] and [[User:Jpatt]], but I have lost the enthusiasm to continue contributing to CP in the face of this much liberal opposition. Thank you 4 for what you do for the conservative movement. I strongly suspect that the frequent sock puppet hacker-vandalist accounts were [[User:Wschact]] or one his friends using a VPN since all the vandals edits were directed to things he was revert warring with me over. God bless. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 02:26, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Dear Karajou, feel free to contact me on my e-mail if you wish. You were the one who encouraged me to contribute articles:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Community_Portal#Response_to_User:SamHB.2C_User:PhilH_and_User:AugustO_Regarding_Ayurvedic_-_Chinese_-_Western_Herbal_Medicine_on_Conservapedia
"I also received advice from User:Karajou on Sat, 26 Apr 2014 23:15:17 by e-mail (conservapedia AT zoho.com) who said, "Try your hand at writing complete articles. Conservapedia is not just something containing conservative thought; it is also intended to be a family encyclopedia, so it has to have info on planes, trains, automobiles, animals, sports teams, camera systems, or whatever else comes to mind. So, if you happen to be an expert on - say, rowboats - write an article on rowboats. Karajou". Thus, following Karajou's advice above and oversight from User:Conservative, I am writing "whatever comes to mind" on what I "happen to be an expert on". Thus, I have be developing a lot of detailed articles and their categorizations for my 6 areas of specialization (in order of my depth of subject matter expertise): 1. Medicine, 2. Computer networks (17 years professional experience), 3. Preparedness-Survivalism, 4. Firearms, 5. Permaculture gardening, 6. Radio communication technologies - Amateur radio. Being a staunch American conservative libertarian "prepper" "[[gun enthusiast|gun nut]]", I obviously write/edit from that perspective."
Sadly, I no longer have the enthusiasm to contribute in the face of such ''''strong'''' opposition from 5 very vociferous liberal/RINO editors. It's more of an uphill battle than it was on Wikipedia, I am very disappointed to say. Godspeed in all you do. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 02:26, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:Andy, congratulations, you solved another problem by just ignoring it ([http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&diff=1129051&oldid=1129047 quite actively]). The drawback of your approach to management:
:*If [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] was a parodist - as I believe - then Conservapedia is burdened with hundreds of potentially toxic edits (like [[transformer]]), and a totally messed up system of categories.
:*If he was a honest editor - [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATheAmericanRedoubt&action=historysubmit&diff=1130520&oldid=1130517 as [[User:Conservative]] think(s)] - you did him a disservice, and his complaints are justified.
:It is just a lose-lose-situation. Perhaps you could learn from this episode and answer my question above about [[#User:Conservative's sock(s)]]? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 11:17, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Stonewalling opponents!!! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:43, 9 January 2015 (EST)
::Have we reached the point where an effort to enforce our rules about copy and paste and the Style Manual gets reduced to name calling questioning [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Community_Portal&diff=1129896&oldid=1129895 whether someone is an "American"] or a "RINO" or a "liberal" or a "parodist"? Everyone gave him polite and reasonable advice but TAR would not listen. I think TAR's retirement message was a direct response to [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia%3ADesk%2FMiscellany&action=historysubmit&diff=1130492&oldid=1109475 this important copyright concern] and I left a response on his talk page. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 12:00, 9 January 2015 (EST)
==User:Wschact's Stubborn Hounding: 72% of his edits over a period of 24 days are about my work out of 179 edits, 129 concern my edits ==
Between December 16 and January 8, out of 179 edits made by Wschact, 129 concern either Wschact rapidly changing my edits soon after I complete them / reverting them or complaining to the Community/Admins about my contributions. That is to say, 72% of his edits over a period of 24 days are about my work. That is a good example of being tenaciously hounded by strong opposition. Source: http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Wschact
I didn't really want to put this part about Wschact on CP Talk pages or Community Portal since I don't want to further alienate him from me or make him more dogged in his pursuit of editing/patrolling/trolling my contributions. But his recent remarks to my "Retirement" posting, made me decide to mention these 72% statistics and to come out of "retirement". [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 19:42, 9 January 2015 (EST)
===Inspired by Karajou and User:Conservative to Not Retire due to User:Wschact' Dogged Hounding===
Dear Admins Karajou and Conservative
My biggest concern, that finally '''temporarily''' "took the wind out of my sails" and prompted me to '''temporarily''' retire as a contributor, is Wschact, who makes my Conservapedia contributions the subject of 72% of his edits over a 24 day period, as I will show below.
My biggest concern isn't SamHB who explained himself well here:http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:SamHB#.22Troll.22_Editing_by_User:SamHB_of_Numerous_articles_I_am_Working_on_.2F_Editing_.2F_Contributing, saying that "I promised that I would revert your things only once, and I mean it."
Nor is my concern AlanE's presumptuously slanderous race baiting comment here:
I first said to AlanE: "Please better to stop the "Revert War" (unless it is by an American CP administrator) and instead make comments and suggestions on this talk page for editing the material. "Free state" is a big topic in the American Conservative, Libertarian and Christian circles. The old meaning of Antebellum south is rarely used except among historians. I would be willing to move some of it to an essay, however, the majority of it matches conservative values. Please discuss in a civil way without using words like hideous, offensive, etc like User:SamHB used for the previous revert." TheAmericanRedoubt 02:57, 17 December 2014 (EST)
Alan rudely Ad hominem responded to me:
"Excuse the following...but I am cross, and Sam is I know to be a reasonable and intelligent man - and a friend.... Obviously I can't win against someone who probably sits at his computer for hours on end with an assault rifle beside him with one eye out the window just hoping that some one who is black or jewish or liberal will put a foot onto his property so that he can shoot them. What larks!! (Pip old chap)). I won't go on because I see you are like those I occasionally met in the old days in Outback pubs who felt naked without their firearms and were usually relieved of their ammunition before the publican would serve them a beer. Cheers mate." AlanE 04:06, 17 December 2014 (EST)" Source: http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Free_state
I decided to simply ignore AlanE since that was the last I heard of him.
What finally '''temporarily''' took the remaining "wind out of my sails" is Wschact’s almost month-long dogged efforts:
I assert that between December 16 and January 8, out of 179 edits made by Wschact, 129 concern either Wschact rapidly changing my edits soon after I complete them / reverting them or complaining to the Community/Admins about my contributions. That is to say, 72% of his edits over a period of 24 days are about my work. That is a good example of being tenaciously hounded by strong opposition. Source: http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Wschact
Here http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Desk/Miscellany#Interpretation_of_copyright_policy
Wschact doesn't even know the difference between 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge/ammunition and a "7.62x51mm NATO rifle" and hence wrongly insisting that the Admins move 7.62x51mm NATO to "7.62x51mm NATO rifle". And the so-called copyright issues he brings are been handled by MLA citations/references/bibliography and [[fair use]].
I made more than 1000+ small edits on CP for several months before contributing much of anything original to be sure that I got a feel for the actual format, content, categories, see also's, stubs or lack of stubs, politics, guidelines, etc. I also wanted to make sure that my edits proved to the CP admins that I am sincere and trustworthy, not a troll or parodist. Then in late November when my sabbatical began I begin much more extensive CP contributions. That was when on December 16 I can on the Wschact radar scope.
I was asked by one JoeyJ (http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:TheAmericanRedoubt&oldid=1130110#Orphaned_Pages) to deorphan pages which I then began to do. But the edits I make to de-ophan them by adding them appropriately to a See Also or a wiki link within the article were getting frequently deleted by Wschact. This happened a lot. He would keep saying I am violating the CP policy.
Over the next few months while I am taking a sabbatical from my work, I have a lot of time/energy/knowledge to contribute to CP generating new content. Alas, at the moment I am feeling too harassed by their constant rapid nit-picking and having to 10/90 Talk Page explain my every step versus doing 90/10 actual article work. I've never experienced this before in an online Wiki or forum community, I am sad to say. Even on Wikipedia, I would get at least a few days to a week to perfect a short article or a contribution to one before the liberal vultures would swoop in to eat it up (if they did even). Because CP is a much smaller community of editors, they give me no time to improve upon my work before they come in and revert/delete. It's truly demoralizing/intimidating for a new editor. I don't know what else to say. I feel CP is an amazing voice for our American conservative movement, but I didn't know it would have so many fast-moving critics/deleters/reverters against anything I contribute in the realm of firearms or survivalism/preparedness articles. Yet they were against much on complementary medicine and amateur radio as well.
It's funny, the ONLY contributions of mine that the liberal/RINO editors didn't touch were the Buddhist articles. I think that is because most liberals like Buddhism. Although Catholic, I formally studied comparative religions and CP's Buddhist and Hindu articles are very slim at the moment, so I have much to add there as well. But again, at the moment, I am becoming "gun shy" with their liberal/RINO sights all aimed at me now, especially on http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Community_Portal.
[[Persistence]] is a virtue, as Calvin Coolidge said:
:"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence.
:Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
:Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
:Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.
:The slogan Press On! has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."
Thank you for listening. Any advice or encouragement would be appreciated.
[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 19:42, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:Dear Andy: If TAR is saying that he is making a disproportionate amount (72%) of the problem edits that required correction, I am willing to accept his number, although I have no memory of first looking to see who was the originator of each problem. The problem is that we have someone who does not understand CP style and policy seeking to add a massive amount of material that has a lot of copy and paste problems, including copy and pasting into many articles from a common set of "See also" references instead of writing new ones for each article.
:Karajou, Conservative and I have each suggested that TAR slow down and try to write complete articles instead of rushing through copy and pasted new stubs. If TAR wants to "de-orphan" an article, perhaps he should add a sentence to a related article instead of plunk a link into the "see also" section of an unrelated article. I would also suggest watching how TAR pipes his links. A pipe should direct the reader to the article represented by the linked phrase, not to something different.
:Finally, I would suggest that Conservapedia would be better served by '''cooperation''' that combines our "talents", our "genius" and our "educational" backgrounds rather than having one person show blind "persistence" in the face of cautionary comments of others. So, I don't think that TAR's Calvin Coolidge quote captures the spirit of Conservapedia. Please review the links [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Community_Portal&diff=1130583&oldid=1128180 here and decide for yourself]. Many thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 20:34, 9 January 2015 (EST)
::I think the main reason why Wschact is bent out of shape about TheAmericanRedoubt is his material on traditional/alternative medicine. I pointed out that Japan is unique as a country because highly advanced modern Western medicine coexists with traditional Asian medicine.[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC516460/] The Japanese have a life expectancy that is 5 years greater than American's life expectancy. It seems reasonable to believe that thousands of years of trial and error has caused there to be some efficacy in traditional/folk medicine. I have found that turmeric/ginger works great to prevent/mitigate post workout soreness for example. It's a cheap and safe method too. I realize that traditional/folk medicine has its problems and one has to exercise discretion, but so does Western medicine.
::At the same time, I do think it is better to create reasonable length articles one at a time then create a lot of stub articles. Readers don't really care for stub articles. That is why the major search engines don't rank stub articles highly in their search results. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:32, 10 January 2015 (EST)
:::Thanks, Cons. By the way, TAR had me go back and count my edits since Dec 16, and I edited 139 times related to mentoring TAR and 72 times unrelated to TAR, for a ratio of 65%. I would suggest some longer comprehensive articles and if TAR needs help with categories, he should feel free to just ask. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 01:12, 10 January 2015 (EST)
== Kind Advice from Conservative and Karajou and my Response - No more Survivalism-Guns-AltMed-Permaculture-HamRadio, just Indian Philosophy articles from me now==
If Wschact acts unreasonably in order to protect liberal sacred cows or acts in a petty way due to you adding conservative content that he does not like, please contact User: Karajou and/or User: JPatt. On the other hand, please be judicious about this matter. If Wschact offers useful input, please take it.
I did solve the SamHB issue for you though. Should SamHB return, I suspect he will be far less truculent due to it being pointed out that masses of people are leaving his unfree state of Massachusetts each year. Obviously, people leave a sinking unfree ship of state and not a successful freedom loving flagship state. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:20, 11 January 2015 (EST)
::By the way, don't ever get frustrated and quit. Stand your ground and if necessary call in the cavalry of Karajou and Jpatt. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:26, 11 January 2015 (EST)
:::I reopened my user talk page mailbox. However, please please contact Karajou/Jpatt first as they may be more active than me at CP in the foreseeable future. I did make some promises to people to assist them with off wiki projects so Karajou/JPatt may act more quickly for you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:36, 11 January 2015 (EST)
:: Sorry fellow Conservatives, but Wschact (and all the really vociferous "libs"/RINOS here) finally won with their bullying. Washact and the five others, but especially Washact, have tired me out, calling me a parodist, a hijacker, etc, etc. The ''''only'''' thing Wshact didn't immediately edit are my Buddhist and Indian philosophy article contributions [[:Category:Indian Philosophy]] and [[:Category:Buddhism]]. It's simply too much of an uphill battle here with these loud-mouthed five, especially wshact. It's just too demoralizing even for an energetic contributor like me. As long as he is hounding me on ''''every'''' edit and template, it's just not worth it to me.
:: I can contribute my time and high energy elsewhere for the Conservative cause, where there is a slightly longer "pérennité" (as the French say) / durability to my contributions. I am sad to say my similar veined edits actually stayed visible on Wikipedia much longer before the vultures swooped in than they did here. At least over at Wikipedia I can contribute complementary medicine/herbology material without having it immediately deleted/reverted. Numerous items I contributed at Wikipedia lasted sometimes for weeks at a time, not just a few minutes or hours before deletion/reverting. And they usually put up a top of the page Admin template flag on it first for a couple days to weeks rather than just remove/revert it instantly like weshact is doing.
:: I think I will return back to the Conservative/Preparedness Forums from which I came. From now on you will only see on CP the occasional Buddhist, Hindu, Indian philosophy article I may perhaps continue to contribute since Comparative Religions/Philosophy was one of my past formal study areas in college.
: I sent you Karajou and User:Conservative a private e-mail about it.
::Be strong. Be of good courage. God bless America. Long live the Republic.
[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 05:50, 11 January 2015 (EST)
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This template [[Template:Second Amendment topics]] and it's Backup [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt/Second Amendment topics]] is my last contribution for the Second Amendment-RKBA-Firearms-Survivalism-Prepping. It says it all. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 06:17, 11 January 2015 (EST)
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== Conservative recommended contacting you ==
Mr. Schlafly, peace be with you. '''Conservative''' recommended I request night editing rights pursuant to problem detailed briefly on this '''[[Conservapedia:Community Portal#Window of opportunity for editing seems to be closing. What's going on?|Community Portal (link).]]''' ''Thank you for all your hard work''. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] 11:10, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:Andy, Dataclarifier wants night editing rights. I think you should grant this. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:19, 9 January 2015 (EST)
== Please restore my user and talk pages ==
::''I am also sending Andy private email about this.''
Cons had absolutely no authority to delete them. People say they are going to be inactive all the time. (In fact, TAR did so just a few days ago.) My understanding is that user and talk pages are only deleted when a user has been inactive for a long period of time. In fact, I got into an argument with JoeyJ on that point a few months ago. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 16:17, 10 January 2015 (EST)
:[[User:Conservative]]'s actions are very troubling. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 17:52, 10 January 2015 (EST)
::SamHB, if you hadn't been rude to TAR and rather chose to engage in constructive dialogue with him, I wouldn't have deleted your user page and talk page. I felt you were a stuffed shirt who was acting unreasonably and you deserved a comeuppance. And the state which you were defending via illegitimate means (namely argument by outrage/"I'm offended") is nothing to write home about and that is why masses of people are leaving your state each year.
::Nevertheless, people do change their mind about editing Conservapedia so I decided to restore your user page and talk page upon further deliberation and not delete it, but instead give you the 3-4 year time of user inactivity (which Mr. Schlafly indicated was a reasonable before user page deletion in my discussion with him). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:13, 11 January 2015 (EST)
== Three actions requested==
Andy, I am respectfully requesting the following relief:
1) <s>That my IP address be unblocked</s> [done]
2) That [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]]'s (TAR) blocking rights be removed
3) That you impose reasonable editing restrictions on TAR's future editing
[[User:Conservative]] (Cons) and I have been trying to mentor TAR, who has established a very expansive goals for himself and he has expressed that he feels pressured and under stress to accomplish a great amount in a short time frame. This was triggered by a misunderstanding of the scope of Conservapedia categories (e.g., he thinks that each US Constitutional Amendment should have a separate category) and by criticism about his creating so many new red links to non-existent articles. Cons, I and others urged him to write longer articles rather than copy and pasting single sentence articles.
At first, TAR was responsive and promised to change and to correct past errors, but he did not.
TAR also has a strange sense of "ownership". He creates articles with an edit summary of "rough draft" and complains if anyone else make changes to his articles, even to fix technical problems. He created new categories and made them subcategories of themselves or of their own subcategories. He created long category pages like [[:Category:Pro Second Amendment]] and then populated it with 29 subcategories and 164 articles. He would add the category to articles in cases where there was nothing in the article discussing attitudes toward the Second Amendment. I find that such labeling to be sloppy and a detriment to the usability of Conservapedia.
A number of editors either repaired his mistakes or posted contemporaneous talk page comments. We tried to avoid getting into revert wars with him. Looking through the article histories, some other editors did come along and repeated some of my edits after TAR reverted them, but I was not aware of this at the time.
All of this made TAR frustrated and he announced that he was leaving Conservapedia, denouncing "liberal/RINO" editors. A number of editors such as JoeyJ [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Computer&diff=prev&oldid=1130553 began to clean up the mess that TAR left behind.] A few hours later, TAR decide to return to editing. I started [[Template talk:Second Amendment groups]] to express concerns with POV pushing and other technical flaws in that template. Rather than following the normal chronological organization of a talk page, TAR copied over it with the template itself. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template_talk%3ASecond_Amendment_groups&action=historysubmit&diff=1130852&oldid=1130842] and then later rearrange the page to put a statement of his "ownership" and his ideas on top and burried my discussion after a transclusion of the template.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template_talk%3ASecond_Amendment_groups&action=historysubmit&diff=1130883&oldid=1130881] We did a bit of reverting back and forth until I could establish that both our views would be presented as a traditional talk page. I pointed out clear violations of Conservapedia Commandment #5.
Last night, TAR decided that another dramatic move was needed, so he posted a message on the talk page of the dozens of items he felt he "owned" (and created a new talk page when necessary) essentially making a personal attack against me as a "liberal/RINO" and stating that because of me, he would confine his future editing to [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ARawles_on_Retreats_and_Relocation&action=historysubmit&diff=1131061&oldid=1129847 "the occasional Buddhist, Hindu, Indian philosophy article I may perhaps continue to contribute"]. I was alarmed by this over-reaction and left what was intended to be a conciliatory message on his talk page clarifying that I was not trying to confine the scope of his effort, but rather recommending that he write longer articles instead of one sentence articles. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATheAmericanRedoubt&action=historysubmit&diff=1131111&oldid=1131108] a few minutes later, he blocked me ("09:27, 11 January 2015 TheAmericanRedoubt (Talk | contribs) blocked Wschact (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled) (Sockpuppet/Abusing multiple accounts)"). There is no reason to believe that I am using multiple accounts and I am not sure that TAR understands what that means.
Perhaps Cons was not aware that TAR had blocked me because 5 minutes later, he left a message on my talk page about how he would like to move forward. These edits were later rev/del'ed, but you can still see them. He later posted a version on Jpatt, Karajou and TAR's talk pages.
Anyone who has struggled to understand how talk pages work, how templates work, how categories work should not be authorized to block on the basis of Sockpuppet allegations. TAR does not have the technical competence to hold the Block right, and I respectfully request that you remove it.
I think that TAR has a lot of energy, but lacks the skill set to achieve his ambitious goals. We need to contain any unintended fallout from his sweeping work. I leave it to you to fashion a remedy, but I would suggest that he write articles on a user subpage and then have another editor/mentor review them before the article is moved into the main article space. If you look at [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia%3ACommunity_Portal&action=historysubmit&diff=1131025&oldid=1128180 the Community Portal] or the specific article talk pages, you can see the variety of problem edits involved. With utmost respect, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 17:01, 11 January 2015 (EST)
=== A reply to Wschact ===
TheAmericanRedoubt (TAR) expressed concerns that the Wschact account was using multiple individuals from different geographic areas to team up on him. Using checkuser, I looked at the IP addresses and it appeared to be suspicious. Edits from multiple states within the United States all using the same Wschact account.
Since Karajou has greater experience with the checkuser function, I wrote him and Karajou wrote:
"In response to user Conservative's question "Is Wschact multiple,,,editors?", I'm going to have to give a "yes" answer to it. First, there's the allegation of hounding against TAR. Looking at Wschact's previous edits, it looks like he's following TAR's every move with a counter-move. This is part-and-parcel to what happens inside Wikipedia, when an editor who has nothing better to do forces himself into the mix, acts like the first author is doing everything wrong, seeks to make "corrections", and everything ends up with the first author booted out under allegations of being uncooperative.
Second, in direct answer to Conservative's question, here's Wschact's IP's:
[A LIST OF IP ADDRESSES]
If you look closely at the dates, some over-lap. For instance, of the two at the bottom, in the first he's in [STATE A] using a cell phone, with the second he's in [STATE B] using a company ISP. In the IP second from the top, he's on a cell phone in [STATE C]; the top one he's back in [STATE B].
And there's more. Look at that second IP. There's three total users, but only two under Wschact. The third belongs to someone who called himself "GibsMuhDat".... This individual used the following IPs from the [STATE D] area....As above, the second IP is a cell phone, possibly the same phone, but in [A DIFFERENT PLACE IN STATE D]. Unless this guy gets around a lot, I tend to agree with Conservative that there are several individuals operating under one name in the site, and using Wikipedia tactics against someone else."
Wsacht, I see a pattern of you hounding THeAmericanRedoubt in order to make him angry. The suspicious IP address editing pattern combined with the hounding is troubling.
I also see THeAmericanRedoubt (TAR) having a spirit of wanting to get along and also willing to compromise (TAR has agreed to not create additional ayurvedic medicine articles at this time). I wish I could say the same thing about the Wsacht account, but I cannot. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:36, 11 January 2015 (EST)
===Final thoughts===
:Cons, thank you for allowing me to understand the nature of the evidence, which apparently TAR did '''not''' have when he blocked me. I recommend that only admins be allowed to block people for "Sockpuppet" because they have access to the data. The data will show that I indeed have been traveling around the country starting at Thanksgiving and returning on Monday, January 6. Each time, I logged in and used my single Conservapedia account. I have not lent my password to anyone else. I have been trying to mentor TAR, not to make him angry. Both Cons and I have gone out of our way to explain things to him, but I agree some other editors were a bit more testy when they also noticed the problem edits. People should only be granted the Block right if they show maturity and experience. This week we have had two threats from TAR to retire dramatically -- it is worthy of [[Charles de Gaulle]].
:As for compromise, I have given TAR wide latitude as to what and when he edits and also tried leaving him talk messages instead of just stepping in a making corrections myself. I also honored his various requests to hold off for a couple of weeks to clean up various problems himself. But he does not go back and make the promised clean ups. I can understand compromise over content, but where is compromise involved in saving a template mistakenly on the template talk page? The people patrolling his edits should not approve them without first making sure that they are not creating unintended harm to the project. Many thanks! [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 19:14, 11 January 2015 (EST)
=== Second reply to Wschact ===
President Lincoln wrote about people often having two natures. A more noble nature guided by conscience and a more base nature as well.
TheAmericanRedoubt (TAR) and I have no problem with the more noble Dr. Jekyll part of your nature which deals with stylistic issues. I communicated with TAR today via phone and he clearly understands the rationale behind the various stylistic issues now. He is a fast learner and very cooperative. It is often much easier to communicate via phone. He is going to create longer articles (he only created stub articles to fill in the red links that AlanE complained about) which don't have long "see also" sections.
On the other hand Wschacht, there is an element of personal animus that you displaying towards TheAmericanRedoubt due to his approach to health care (he agreed to not write ayurvedic medicine articles at this time) and his very conservative political beliefs (anti-gun control, advocacy of moving out of liberal states, etc. etc.). In short, there is a Mr. Hyde nature that you are displaying towards TAR. The sheer volume of your counter edits is a problem. In addition, some of your counter edits appear to be in response his conservative ideology.
TheAmericanRedoubt doesn't appear to hold a grudge towards you. He only blocked you due to the IP address issue and the hounding. You need to dial back the hounding. I don't think it is necessary - especially given my recent communication/coaching with him and his ability to learn fast. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:50, 11 January 2015 (EST)
:Andy has to decide. If TAR felt "pressure" and "hounded" (when '''everyone''' was saying there was no need to hurry), he should not be the one to make the Block decision, and does not have the temperament to hold the Block bit. I was bending over backwards to be [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATheAmericanRedoubt&action=historysubmit&diff=1131111&oldid=1131108 kind] and 5 minutes later, he blocks me indefinitely. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 20:18, 11 January 2015 (EST)
::Wschact, I suggest communicating with [[User: Karajou]] at this point about this matter if anything further needs to be resolved. TAR and Karajou have decided to work together to resolve this issue should the matter need further attention (they have exchanged emails, etc.). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:37, 11 January 2015 (EST)
== Deuteronomy 25:13-15 ==
<span style="background-color: lightblue;">''<sup>13</sup>You shall not have in your bag two kinds of weights, a large and a small. <sup>14</sup>You shall not have in your house two kinds of measures, a large and a small. <sup>15</sup>A full and fair weight you shall have, a full and fair measure you shall have, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.''</span>
#When an administrator creates a sock to deceive, it gets ignored - while usually, this is an offense which is harshly punished.
#When [[User: Wschact]] voices his concerns, but offers help, this is called ''hounding'' - when [[User: Wschact]] gets blocked for a wrong reason, this is ignored.
#When I restore a section on your talk page, [[User:Conservative]] blocks me for two days - block reason: ''"untrimming Andy's talk page. A talk page is a user's castle!"''. When [[User:Conservative]] deletes the talk-page of a longtime editor against his expressed wishes, nothing happens.
#When longtime members of this wiki ask for your input, they are ignored (rather rudely). And then, [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] is informed that ''"the owner of Conservapedia would like to talk to you this week if you are available to talk to him. He wants the website to be a welcoming place for new editors."''
#[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] performs an unjustified 90/10 block on [[User:AugustO]], but [[User:AugustO]] is [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:AugustO&diff=1132509&oldid=1132488 threatened with the loss of his blocking-rights.]
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:28, 15 January 2015 (EST)
== Prayer in public schools ==
"It's illegal for Christians to pray in public school, according to the U.S. Supreme Court. But in Michigan, Muslims are being given special prayer privileges by school administrators, raising questions as about due process, equal protection, and freedom of speech for followers of the faith of America's Founding Fathers."[http://www.christianpost.com/news/should-muslims-be-allowed-to-pray-in-public-schools-michigan-says-yes-98695/]
Were you aware of this matter? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:06, 15 January 2015 (EST)
== Obama says the newspaper exercised bad judgment and brought this upon themselves. ==
[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] writes in his [[Essay:France Pays Dearly - Liberal Gun Control Laws and Gun Free Zones that Welcome Terrorists]] on [[Charlie Hebdo]] that "''Obama says the newspaper exercised bad judgment and brought this upon themselves"''. [[User:EJamesW]] asked for a citation for this claim, [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:France_Pays_Dearly_-_Liberal_Gun_Control_Laws_and_Gun_Free_Zones_that_Welcome_Terrorists&diff=1131801&oldid=1131418 I did so too]. Unfortunately, [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] hasn't shared his sources with us yet - and I haven't found any source stating something similar...
You are the lawyer, Andy, you know what counterfactual claims are called.
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:21, 15 January 2015 (EST)
== New Direction ==
Andy, in 2007 you [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Uses_of_Wikipedia&oldid=149629 wrote]:
{{cquote|Wikipedia is useful for watching how a website attempts to boost traffic based on the search algorithms employed by Google. Overuse of linking, which is distracting to readers, helps boost placement in its search engines. As only a small percentage of Wikipedia users go there first to look for information, Wikipedia (unlike Conservapedia) is overwhelmingly dependent on search engine referrals. }}
The last couple of days showed that Conservapedia is heading in the same direction! It would be nice to get your public endorsement of this new policy: is Conservapedia to be centered around the ideas of survivalists, which start to penetrate every article, instead of being a encyclopedic resource aimed at high-school pupils? Or do you prefer to wait-and-see, just to follow the trends instead of leading the enterprise?
At the moment, I try to maintain the standards of Conservapedia as given in [[Conservapedia:Commandments]], [[Conservapedia:Guidelines]] and [[Conservapedia:Manual of Style]]. If you just declare that these standards don't apply to the new survivalist editors, I can save much time and effort!
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:02, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:That sounds like a lot of mumbo jumbo about the search engines. The search engines largely use common sense approaches from what I read. That overlinking on web pages to boost the rankings of the web page sounds like antiquated hogwash. When I Google various subjects I don't see web pages assaulting me with links. We are no longer at the dawn of the internet and search engines. The search engines are pretty sophisticated nowadays now that hardware and processing cost are much cheaper and computers are more powerful. From what I have seen, the search engine results have been getting better over time.
:I added some material to the manual of style to defang the category tag gestapo of Wsacht and AugustO. Lots of excellent wikis have a fair number of category tags at the bottom of their pages. There is no reason why category tags have to be a big source of contention at this wiki. Less than 1% of web visitors use them on pages from what I have seen. Category tags are at the bottom of the page and many readers never even get to the bottom of most web pages. AugustO and Wsacht are creating tempests in teapots when it comes to category tags.
:AugustO, your "chicken little" like warnings about survivalism material is overblown. The sky is not falling. A lot of conservatives live in rural areas where they place a greater importance on being not overly dependent on others. And that is true of conservatives as a whole. And get used to gun rights articles. It's part of conservatism. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:54, 16 January 2015 (EST)
::From what I have seen, Wsachat and AugustO would have dismissed John the Baptist as some kind of "mountain man" nut because he was a religious conservative who lived in a rural area and subsisted on locusts and honey!!!! Let's have some tolerance gentlemen. Why is it that the most intolerant people are often the most liberal! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:09, 16 January 2015 (EST)
::*Other than you, [[User:Conservative]], I wouldn't call Andy's observations ''mumbo jumbo''.
::*I've no problem with gun-rights articles, etc. I've a problem with seeing everything from the viewpoint of the coming apocalypse: just look at the [[:category:Nuclear Target Structures]].
::*I don't ''dismiss'' survivalists, etc - but it should be just one aspect of Conservapedia, not the domineering one.
::*The sky is not falling, but the direction is changing...
::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:16, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:::"And behold, I am coming quickly". - Jesus. "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come." - The Apostle Paul. "Be prepared." - USA Boy Scouts. I hope this clarifies matters! :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:23, 16 January 2015 (EST)
I looked at the nuclear target structures material. The developed world and some developing countries have spent a considerable amount of funds on nuclear weapons. And the number of countries getting nuclear weapons appears to be headed towards an increase. It is natural that people would have some thoughts on nuclear target structures. Please endeavor to be less critical of others articles. Nobody ever built a monument to a critic. Instead of creating endless disputes, use some of that energy to create more content instead of slowing down others as far as creating content. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:38, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:*I haven't deleted or changed the content of [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]]'s (or [[User:OGSMEDIA]]'s) articles
:*I'm just trying to maintain Conservapedia's traditions and standards with regard to red links and categories. I said it before: it is annoying that such a menial task takes so much effort - even to take [[Attack on Perl Harbor]] from [[:category:Nuclear Target Structures]] was resisted!
:*Andy, if you wish to have these rules overhauled and year-old traditions disregarded by new-comers, please just say so!
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:03, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:03, 16 January 2015 (EST)
::Tradition... Category tags.... You certainly have a fanatical and pharisaical devotion to hair-splitting about category tags. Man was not created for category tags. Category tags were created for men! I abridged the manual of style when it comes to category tags. Your reign of category tag tyranny is over! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:41, 16 January 2015 (EST)
== Blocking rights ==
User:Conservative informed me that he has asked you to strip me of my blocking rights. Here my 2 cents:
:It will be very ironic to be punished for something which should be so uncontroversial as the first rule of categorization: ''nothing should be in a category and one of its (direct) super/sub-categories.'' Andy often emphasizes the importance of logic for this site, so it is very surprising that he'll enforce (as you, [[User:Conservative]] imply) illogical categorization!
:It is really not rocket-science: R. Heinlein was an author who wrote science-fiction - thereby he belongs into [[:category:Science Fiction Authors]]. He doesn't belong into [[:category:Science Fiction]], as any reader who looks at [[:category:Science Fiction]] will be surprised that he obviously doesn't fit in a subcategory....
:OTOH [[:category:Best Selling Authors]] should not be a sub-category of [[:category:Science Fiction Authors]] (as it is now), as it includes authors like Glenn Beck and Agatha Christie... [[:category:Best Selling Authors]] is also at the moment a sub-category of [[:category:Liberal Authors]], implying that all best sellers are written by liberals...
:New editors should understand logic, too! So, please, show a little bit more logic, and a little less aggression. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:34, 16 January 2015 (EST)
===Weighing in; cleaning the slate===
[[File:Category Template.jpg|right|200px]]
The current bone of contention has to do with the large amount of differing categories - many of which are not needed and/or useless - by TAR. I talked to him about it, and he's agreeable to be more sensitive to this issue. I am guessing here (I could be wrong) that TAR doesn't know how to properly categorize articles. This needs correcting here, but I don't think such correction involves petty fights from any of us. I also don't think AugustO needs blocking rights removed; he gets frustrated at things like any of us. I got frustrated with Wschact for overly-stalking TAR, Tar got frustrated with Joey, and Conservative got frustrated with his washing machine. He hates Maytag.<br/>What I think is needed is a plan for the various categories that we have, so each article is properly filed and easy to find for the avereage reader. The included image is an example, and I based it on the layout of a set by Britannica called ''Great Books of the Western World''. What we need to do is wipe the slate, and get back on track with what needs to happen. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 09:43, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:*That looks very promising. Often pictures work better than wordy explanations - even when repeated too often :-) Categorization is like the [[:File:Koeln_(Cologne)_Germany.jpg|Dome of Cologne]], it will never be finished - and it will never please everyone. But obvious errors should be avoided.
:*Yes, I get frustrated: I'm performing a menial - but not unimportant - task which should be totally uncontroversial, and I even explain my edits on the talk-pages. Then, I'm called a "''Category Tag Nazi''", "''Category Gestapo''", "''petty and contentious''", etc. I get threatened (''"Back off!"'', my favorite: ''"A cat only has so many lives. I think you are on your 8th. But in all of the excitement lately, maybe its your 9th. Do you fell lucky?"''), and then indeed, I get blocked (for one day only , but with an obviously invalid block-reason: "''90/10 rule: excess of talk rather than edits to substantive entries''") Does anyone commutes this obviously wrong block? Is the blocking editor admonished? Or at least does anyone explain to him what the "90/10" rule entails? No, to put the cherry on top, I'm the one threatened with losing my blocking-rights! ''Shouldn't I fell bullied?''
:*I know that I won't get an apology for being insulted or wrongly blocked: those are reserved for administrators. The best I can hope for is something along the line: "well, we didn't get you ''this'' time...". Frustrating is quite an apt description.
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 11:02, 16 January 2015 (EST)
::The [[creationism]] and [[communism]] articles have both received about 190,000 page views respectively. The creationism and communism category tags have both received about 7,000 page views. So about 3.5% of people who went to creationism/communism main articles also clicked the category tags of the various articles relating to creationism/communism. Conservapedia has a big selection of communism related articles with communism category tags on them and a decent size amount of creationism articles with creationism related tags on them.
::There you have it. A very small percentage of people click category tags.
::On the other hand, Conservapedia has a small active editor base and TheAmericanRedoubt is the only "power editor" in terms of creating a lot of new content.
::Next, I have seen various reviews of wikis. Not once did they mention a wikis category tags.
::Content is king on the internet and a strong website creates a lot of it. Category tags are not even close to being king.
::So from a cost/benefit analysis, focusing on category tags with a new user and doing it in an aggressive way that aggravated someone creating a lot of new content doesn't make sense. On top of this, the new editor had editors acting in petty ways unrelated to category tags which made him less open to hearing them about their category complaints. In addition, I thought that a percentage of their category complaints were petty.
::With that being said, hopefully the matter is resolved and Karajou's diagram will be helpful to new editors. Personally, I don't think the matter is resolved - at least in a satisfactory/optimal way. For example, the amount of new content that TheAmericanRedoubt created today is a fraction of his usual amount. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:23, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:::You can't deduce that 3.5% of people who visited those pages clicked on that category just because it has 3.5% the page views of each of those pages--people could have viewed that pages from other categories, or by being linked in externally. 7500 views is also far from insignificant--that's potentially thousands of people. You don't want thousands of people to be confused by irrelevant categories. Where do we draw the line to this approach to categories? Should [[Communism]] and [[Creationism]] both get the categories "Words that start with the letter C", "Words that start with C and end with M", etc? These two wildly different topics fit into both of those categories, but it's clear that those categories shouldn't go on those pages because there's no real value gained by adding them. We shouldn't excuse this practice just because an editor creates a lot of content. We should all strive to be better editors, recognize we aren't perfect, and accept advice from others. Just because someone brings a large quantity of content here doesn't mean they should get a pass on quality.--[[User:JonY|JonY]] 21:30, 16 January 2015 (EST)
JonY, show me a website linking to Conservapedia's communism/creationism category web pages. I don't believe you can do so.
Content is still king. Category pages are not. A website's text content and pictures receive reviews, press, social media shares, etc.
Tonight I am going to a restaurant. I am not going to rate the restaurant on whether or not they offer the McCormick brand of pepper on the table. That would be like focusing on category tags! :) Believe it or not. I am going to focus on the quality of food the waitress/waiter brings to the table and not their brand of pepper they offer patrons. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:49, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:I followed [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]]'s example ("''[[Conservapedia:Community_Portal#User:Wschact's Stubborn Hounding: 72% of his edits over a period of 24 days are about my work out of 179 edits, 129 concern my edits]]''" and "''[[User talk:AugustO#In 19 Months AugustO submits 2 New 1 Paragraph Articles, 13 New Talk Pages; in 2 weeks 83 Related to TheAmericanRedoubt]]''") and took a closer look at his [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&limit=500&target=TheAmericanRedoubt user contributions]:
:#[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] isn't a new editor: he started in early April 2014, and in December 2014 had already made many more than 1000 edits.
:#Then, he mainly added categories(!) to articles, created "see also"-sections, and inserted internal wiki-links. Looking at some of his edits, there isn't much unusual to them (other perhaps that he ''links to categories''(!) in the "see also"-sections.) Generally, he avoids creating red links by piping (<nowiki>[[duty|basic purpose]]</nowiki>) - but I just looked at a small sample of his edits, and while they seem to be excessive some times, they are not too controversial.
:#Coming December 2014, he seemingly loses this piping-ability, and red links start to spread (e.g., [[Cleon Skousen]]). He increases the number of categories he adds to articles, too.
:It seems that [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] is well aware of the way a wiki works. He shouldn't have a problem to follow the rules and guidelines of Conservapedia. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:37, 17 January 2015 (EST)
::AugustO, the TAR issues with formatting/coding/harassment at a wiki appear to have been solved or at least largely solved. My apologies for overreacting.
::In recent times, I am usually pretty unflappable and am working on being more unflappable. In addition, I have been spending less time on talk pages and I plan on spending less time on talk pages in the future. In the future, my editing and reading of CP will largely/exclusively be focused on editing the main page and article pages. There is no sense in spending excessive time trying to reason with liberals who tend to be very unreasonable (this is especially true in the political realm).
::I incorporated Karajou's diagram into the manual of style. So some good did come out of this thankfully. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:22, 17 January 2015 (EST)
:::*Thanks for the apology: it was a nice surprise!
:::*I cannot share your optimism: ''issues with formatting/coding/harassment at a wiki'' haven't been solved at all:
:::*Take a look at [[Special:UnusedCategories]], [[Special:MostLinkedCategories]], and [[Special:MostCategories]]. Here, you can see what an impact [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] had over the last months. E.g., he added 14 categories to [[Ronald Wilson Reagan]], some of them unnecessary (like ''conservatism'' and ''libertarianism'', as Reagan was already classified as ''conservative'' and ''libertarian'' - or ''1960s'', ''1970s'', ''1980s''!) , some plainly wrong and misleading ([[:category:Veterans]] and [[:category:Oath Keepers]])!
:::*"''some good did come out of this thankfully. ''" Unfortunately, much bad did come out of it: may I remind you that '''[[User:Wschact]] is still being blocked?'''
:::*''"In the future, my editing and reading of CP will largely/exclusively be focused on editing the main page and article pages. "'' Another announcement. Well, I'm inclined to make a prediction myself: in a couple of days you will be back to your ''normal'' self, chattering on talk-pages about incoming successes, and amusing us with your "I am many" - routine.
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:34, 18 January 2015 (EST)
I went over the web traffic numbers relating to category tags with TAR. He now understands that a tiny portion of web traffic comes via category tags. So it doesn't make sense to overdo the category tags. In short, it is best to keep the category tags about the same number that popular wikis have at the bottom of their web articles.
Someone recently highly praised me off wiki with many kind praises. But the person said that sometimes I could be a "grouchy bear". :) I do endeavor to have a positive attitude and be patient. I don't always succeed, but I am getting better. I keep in mind that Moses never saw the promised land because he struck the rock twice.
Lastly, I know I razzed you about some of the shortcomings of the German people. But I do admire their time management skills. I have a lot to do and cannot waste time on talk pages. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 08:32, 18 January 2015 (EST)
:Don't sweat it - such sweeping allegations are common for those who don't travel abroad. I find them quite amusing, as they tell so much more abut you than about the German people! But perhaps the American public schools are to blame for you having to rely on "Hogan's Heroes" for your historical education.
:You should only be careful not to call German officials "Nazi" or "Gestapo", or you vill find out how humorless ve really are...
:PS: could you unblock [[User:Wschact]], please?
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:59, 18 January 2015 (EST)
::Since you are familiar with "Hogan's Heroes", Herr Wsacht has yet to serve all his required days in the "cooler". :) Second, as part of my education, I took two courses on Nazi Germany. As a Protestant though, I admire much of the work that [[Martin Luther]] did. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 09:09, 18 January 2015 (EST)
:::I am back, but we need to clarify whether we want consistency for usability, or whether we will tolerate editors ignoring the rules and the falsely accusing everyone who disagrees with them as being "liberals." We need a rule that people should not use the blocking rights when they are in the middle of a content dispute. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 14:23, 20 January 2015 (EST)
== Spamming links to external sites ==
"Spamming links to external sites" once was a blockable offense. So, what is Conservapedia's current policy regarding the new [[User:OGSMEDIA]] (get it: OGS Media) advertising the site http://offgridsurvival.com/, where all kinds of outdoor equipment is advertised and sold? (See: http://offgridsurvival.com/store/ ) --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:07, 18 January 2015 (EST)
== Five questions ==
#When do you think user TheAmericanRedoubt will realize that the crude vandalism for which he blocked EJamesW at 19:16 today, with comment "Inserting pornography/vulgarity into pages: http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Nuclear_target_structures&diff=prev&oldid=1133449" (warning: extremely crude) was actually made by user ArtWilbur? EJamesW has never made any edits that could by any stretch of the imagination be considered pornographic.
#When do you think he will rescind that block and apologize for same?
#When do you think he will stop his insulting name-calling, like "British Atheist Liberal Evolutionist User:EJamesW"?
#When do you think you will find it necessary to admonish him on his generally destructive behavior?
#When do you think you will find it necessary to revoke his sysop rights and permanently ban him?
[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 22:21, 19 January 2015 (EST)
:Wrong person blocked accidentally blocked. Unblocked EJamesW.
:Second, I am glad you consider the labels "evolutionist", "atheist" and "liberal" to be insults. No person serious about science belongs to those camps!!! :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:15, 19 January 2015 (EST)
::*I assume that one of the editors will address this problem with [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] in one of their next conversations. I'm afraid it will have as much effect as earlier attempts to reign in red-links or improve categorization. It is hard to imagine the block of [[User:EJamesW]] as an accident: [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] had already blocked the vandal responsible for the edits (a certain [[User:ArtWilbur]].) He included the following reason for the block of EJamesW:
:::::''Inserting pornography/vulgarity into pages: http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Nuclear_target_structures&diff=prev&oldid=1133449
::*''TheAmericanRedoubt'''s own link shows that EJamesW was innocent. Obviously, ''TheAmericanRedoubt'' abuses his blocking rights or at least, he cannot handle his rights diligently. As they won't be taken way (cannot snub him, can we), you have to school him - I'm certain he will promise to improve...
::*Sysops of this site may think that the can harness the overabundance of his energy for good and therefore try to appease him, even by annoying other editors. I'm less optimistic: see e.g., [[Tinospora cordifolia]] - this article was edited Jan 3-4 by [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]], but has not been touched for more than two weeks. For short, it's a wreck, riddled with red-links and useless (if even existent) categories!
::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:34, 20 January 2015 (EST)
A compromise with User: Wsacht was offered/reached. TheAmericanRedoubt would not create anymore articles on traditional/alternative medicine for now. Feel free to de-red link the article [[Tinospora cordifolia]] if the red links are unbearable to you and giving you sleepless nights.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:40, 20 January 2015 (EST)
:::I would be happy to complete all of the red links for the complementary medicine articles and submit 50 news ones particularly for all of the common cooking [[herb]]s (such as [[turmeric]], [[cardamom]], [[ginger]], [[basil]], [[cumin]], [[coriander]], [[fennel]], [[fenugreek]], [[black pepper]], [[piper longum]], [[anise]], [[galanga]], [[cinnamon]], etc.). However, as part of the compromise that [[User:Conservative]] kindly mediated between User:Wsacht (who is back in "The Cooler" for 14 days thanks to [[User:Conservative]] - [[Talk:Robert_Richardson#Wschact_Again_Biased_Targeting_Survivalism_Articles]]), I will not create anymore articles on traditional/alternative medicine ''for now'' until I am told otherwise by the Admins such as User:Conservative. As soon as I get the go-ahead from the Admins, I will gladly resume my contributions in that area, thus hopefully "curing" the red-link [[insomnia]] of [[User:AugustO]]. :-) [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 19:38, 20 January 2015 (EST)
:I won't put my name on anything like this. And what about [[Essay:Systems of support]], [[Oath Keepers]], [[Essay:State Firearms Laws Ranking]], or [[Glock]]? These show all similar problems. There are many more, just take a look at [[Special:MostCategories]].
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:54, 20 January 2015 (EST)
The sky is not falling. The red links will be filled in. Aschlafly does not appear to be worried about it and it is his wiki in case you forgot that. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:24, 20 January 2015 (EST)
== Template:Outdated ==
*<small>copied from [[Conservapedia:Community Portal#Template:Outdated|here]]</small>
When I peruse [[Special:Random]], I often encounter articles displaying information which is quite out of date (e.g, [[Stewart Bradley]] or [[Anne Arundel County, MD]]). Sometimes I'm able to update it, but at other times, it isn't in my field of special knowledge (or interest). I hope that I haven't overstepped my bounds, but
#I created the [[:Category:Outdated Articles]] for such pages
#I made the [[Template:Outdated]]: this will put a small warning on top of a page and put the page in the category. See [[Anne Arundel County, MD]] for an example.
I'd appreciate if someone would check the template and approve of it. Thanks --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:25, 18 January 2015 (EST)
== I have a question. ==
I have added good faith, family friendly information to the [[bladder]] page. However, some of the sources I cited may link to family unfriendly content, and I couldn't find alternative sources. Is it okay to keep the sources for now? [[User:JaylesHowler|JaylesHowler]] 15:16, 25 January 2015 (EST)
:Please provide an example link here.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 16:28, 25 January 2015 (EST)
::One of the sources I added was [http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/womenshealth/sui/bladder_005149.htm],which links to some pages about sex.
:::This isn't really my business, but I don't see any problem with the cited page. It's clinical about bodily functions, but nothing that the students that CP is aimed at can't handle. I didn't follow any outbound links from it, and it may well be that some of these links go to places that aren't student-friendly. But the internet is like that, unfortunately. If you click around, you're always going to be able to get to some nasty stuff. (You can get to some pretty nasty stuff by following links from the CP main page!) I think it would be perfectly OK to keep this material. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:38, 27 January 2015 (EST)
== The [[Spur of the moment]] page ==
::''A copy of this has been sent privately to ASchlafly.''
We (Cons, AugustO, EJamesW, and I) are having a bit of a dust-up on [[User_talk:EJamesW|EJW's talk page]] over the "Spur of the moment" article. EJamesW created it, and '''Cons deleted it''', apparently over an issue of whether it is too short. EJamesW has made some other pages in the "idioms" category, like "Preaching to the choir" and "blowing your own horn".
I think that articles explaining idioms like this are (a) very useful, (b) not really gathered well on the internet (you can always Google a phrase, of course), but gathered very well on the "idioms" category page, and (c) in no need of being lengthy. Hmmmm. "Dust-up". Another idiom. And I can think of a few more, but there's no point in creating pages for these if they will be deleted. I'm "shaking in my boots" over Cons's "reverse psychology." :-)
Would you please restore this, or instruct Cons to do so? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:38, 27 January 2015 (EST)
::''Cons posted a rather lengthy and wide-ranging reply to this, which he subsequently oversighted. I will not repost it, but I did read it and this is my reply.''
Cons, you have no right to speculate on the motives or emotions of people writing pages, especially in the personally insulting manner that you did. Furthermore, much of what you wrote was about religion and EJamesW's religious views, which are '''completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.'''
Now it's true that EJamesW's inspiration for the topic "spur of the moment" may have arisen from a dispute with you on his talk page, on the subject of some of your edits. But a person's thoughts at the moment they decide to write an article is unrelated to the quality of the article. I read that article (I don't have an exact copy) and I thought it was reasonable. It carried no hint of upset, depression, or bitterness toward you.
By the way, I'm planning another article on an idiom, the idea for which came out of this discussion. It will be a good, albeit fairly short, article. The connection with this discussion will not be mentioned in the article. I'll let you figure it out—I know you like mysteries. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 12:20, 27 January 2015 (EST)
::Having heard no objections to my just going ahead and recreating the page, I have done so. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 20:31, 31 January 2015 (EST)
==Policy decisions==
Dear Andy,
As noted above, recent events have raised serious policy concerns which I have asked you to address. We need your guidance and leadership so that we can move forward with reasonable harmony.
1) As a matter of policy, editors with blocking rights should not block other editor when they are in a reasonable dispute. Specifically, [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] overreacted in an emotional manner (with overly-dramatic talk page messages on numerous articles and well as individual talk pages) to civil mentoring and coaching regarding CP's Manual of Style.
2) Article "ownership" is a serious flaw at Wikipedia, and I hope that we can avoid that pitfall here at Conservapedia. When people write here, it is with the understanding that others can come after them and edit or change what they have written without intending any personal offense, nor should the editor take it as an affront. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] has left comments at the top of articles and also on article talk pages claiming his exclusive territory -- that is not the Conservapedia way. Such notices should be removed. While it is impolite to follow behind an editor and quickly make changes before the first editor has finished, I have tried to give other editors space to complete their own changes. When I find an article that has been untouched for 7 days, I feel that it is appropriate to edit that article without other editors feeling "hounded."
3) CP's policies on that essays need to be clarified. While I think that long-standing editors should be allowed to write opinion pieces on matters of wide-spread interest, we should establish some cut-off so that our essay policy is not a loop-hole to our anti-spam policy. I would suggest that someone must be an active editor for at least one year before the can write personal essays. Otherwise, someone could get a CP signon, make a few random edits and then leave incoherent walls-of-text or bullet lists to deploy a link spam farm on Conservapedia as an "Essay."
I have enjoyed working on this project, but I believe that all of the work we have done to date, and the credibility that we have built up with our readers requires us to fix the above problems.
Andy, please let me know your views on these suggestions. Respectfully, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 17:08, 3 February 2015 (EST)
:I would say earlier "reasonable disputes" were veiled attempts to target The American Redoubt, and that these requests to Andy are simply an extension of this targeting! The broad areas of editing technique where The American Redoubt has fallen short have already been identified and are already being dealt with, as shown by Recent Changes, without the need of further picking apart through the minutae of "helpful" editing criticism or suggesting sweeping policy changes with the sole purpose of trying to pull the rug from under The American Redoubt.
:And before you accuse The American Redoubt of shortcomings, you should attend to your own first. Are you aware that Karajou identified you as the originator of a nuisance sockpuppet that was introduced before your block was over?
:The American Redoubt, if you happen to read this, I would encourage you not to become demoralized by this kind of hostile criticism, but to continue contributing under the guidance of those editors who have been friendly to you in the way that you feel would best build up Conservapedia. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] 18:59, 3 February 2015 (EST)
::I was not aware of any "nuisance sockpuppet." I have not edited CP for two weeks. It sounds like some gossipy game of label X as an "enemy of the state." I am still the same solid contributor that I was prior to TheAmericanRedoubt's arrival. Let's keep this on a policy level without discussing individuals. There are three areas: 1) don't block when you are angry, 2) no article "ownership", and 3) wait a year to earn the right to leave essays. People should come here to work to build an encyclopedic learning resource, not to publicize some other website or product. Our essays should reflect our team not somebody else. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 21:38, 3 February 2015 (EST)
==Super Bowl==
Dear Andy: Could you please unprotect [[Template:SuperBowl]]? Many thanks! [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 17:40, 3 February 2015 (EST)
:I want to bring the template up to 2016, so please unprotect. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 12:24, 5 February 2015 (EST)
::Template has been updated through 2016, but I recommend that we keep it unprotected for future changes. It is a low risk, low visibility template. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 06:25, 6 February 2015 (EST)
==Medical Warning Template==
Dear Andy: Could you please review the wording of [[Template:Medical Notice]]? I don't understand the skull graphic. If you must have a graphic, why not upload one from this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazard_symbol page]? Should the third word be "liability" or something else? If you approve the template, we should put it on articles more consistently. If not, we should remove it from the dozen articles where it is currently used. Many thanks for all that you do, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 06:25, 6 February 2015 (EST)
== Correction ==
I noticed the Main Page scripture should be changed to Revelation 22:12-13. It is listed as chapter 12. Thanks for the great website. Kennywillb
== The Hounding of User:Wschact ==
[[User:Wschact]] should be unblocked: See [[Talk:Pickle#Erroneous block of User:Wschact|here]]. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:04, 4 February 2015 (EST)
:Although I have been unblocked, we are all waiting for guidance from you as to which direction you have chosen for leading Conservapedia forward. Should we clean up the articles edited by TAR? Please see my questions above. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 23:09, 6 February 2015 (EST)
==And alcoholism==
You are a good and reasonable man Andy so why on earth do you let this obsessive, quite frankly disturbing behavior continue?--[[User:CliffordC|CliffordC]] 01:49, 7 February 2015 (EST)
:Believe me, I myself care more for your interests than the author(s) of these articles.--[[User:CliffordC|CliffordC]] 01:51, 7 February 2015 (EST)
::I think you should stop crying in your beer. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:05, 7 February 2015 (EST)
:::The atheist/agnostic [http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/113 JHunter] who was an evolutionist and biologist said he would debate the biology student [[VivaYehshua]] on the [http://creation.com/15-questions 15 questions for evolutionists], but he didn't show up in order to debate because he said he was drunk. Another time he was kicked out of [[Shockofgod]]'s chat room for drunken disorderly conduct if memory serves (and I think it does). Coincidence? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:22, 8 February 2015 (EST)
==SCOTUS Picture==
I was wondering if it would be possible to get a new picture of the Supreme Court justices?
The current picture is this one from the SCOTUS page:
[[Image:SCOTUS.jpg|200px|left|thumb]]
The picture was taken in 2007 and is out of date. Souter and Stevens, as I'm sure you're aware, are no longer on the bench and were replaced by Sotomayor and Kagen respectively.
It would be very helpful to get an updated picture on the article. There are many freely available ones out there, including this [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Supreme_Court_US_2010.jpg/1280px-Supreme_Court_US_2010.jpg one on wikipedia]. Thank you. [[User:ScottH35|ScottH35]] 14:58, 9 February 2015 (EST)
:Go for it! You do not need upload rights, or any other special permission, to place a picture on a Conservapedia page, if that picture is already hosted at an existing site. Especially a site, like Wikimedia Commons, that isn't about to disappear. As they say at Wikipedia, "be bold".
:You know how to do this, right? Open the Supreme Court page and edit the place where the picture is referenced. Be sure the caption is updated properly, the size and location on the page are correct, etc. Use the "preview" button—this is especially important for pictures; there are many embarrassing things that can go wrong. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 15:18, 9 February 2015 (EST)
::Oops, sorry. I '''thought''' I knew how to do this, and that it worked at CP. It certainly worked at AW. But I can't find any examples of it here. It may be that CP has a technical safeguard in place that prevents references to images at other sites. If so, someone with upload rights needs to grab that picture and import it into CP. Anyone out there? I know you people read this page.
::Sorry about misleading you. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 15:43, 9 February 2015 (EST)
:::I uploaded a more current photo. Thanks for mentioning this.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 16:47, 9 February 2015 (EST)
::::Thanks for the upload, I've updated the description for the picture. [[User:ScottH35|ScottH35]] 16:53, 9 February 2015 (EST)
::::I was wondering if it would be possible to create some kind of portal where pictures needing to be uploaded could be submitted in some format? This could be done though linking to the image and providing the permissions, etc. It would make it really easy. That way there would be a consistent, easy process for users who request pics. It would still require approval/authorization from an admin. [[User:ScottH35|ScottH35]] 17:07, 9 February 2015 (EST)
== vandal attack ==
I hope someone with block powers is paying attention. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:09, 12 February 2015 (EST)
== Thank you ==
Thanks for blocking user RSM. I tried my best but he wouldn't give up. Cheers, Carlos.
== ConsMovies ==
Hello. I have made this account for communicating with admins about my ban. I will not use the account for any other purpose.
The account that was banned was ConsMovies with a block id of #193504. It was banned by one of the users of the User:Conservative account, and I think I know which one. I think it was whichever one I politely disagreed with about halal meat on a talk page, and I think the ban is personal. The reason given for the ban was "desperate parodist" and seemed to immediately follow the addition of the movie ''Evolution'' to [[Essay:Greatest Conservative Movies]].
I can see that a case could be made for the movie actually having no message, and me reading too much into it. In that case it could have been reverted and the reason why posted to the Essay Talk page. It doesn't seem like a reason to block a contributor with a history of constructive edits and revert almost everything they did.
Many edits were then reverted by this particular user of the User:Conservative account simply because they had my name attached to them.
Robocop for example. Anyone who doesn't think that my description of what is wrong with that film is accurate has obviously only seen the poster and not the actual movie. From the title and tagline it looks like harmless silly action but it is silly in a far less harmless way than that.
The user who reverted my edits even reverted my italicization of movie titles in [[Essay:Greatest Conservative Movies]] in line with the convention adopted by the rest of the article's table entries. What could he or she have against italics except for the presence of my name in the edit log?
Additionally, my addition to [[Mystery:Why Do Non-Conservatives Exist?]] was reverted. I can't see what problem anyone is supposed to have with the addition, other than my name on the edit log.
As you can see my ban was personal and nothing to do with proper running of the encyclopedia. I waited to see if the other users of the [[User:Conservative]] account would have a word with the errant one but they remain silent! Clearly they are a tight-knit group, and while that is not a bad thing in itself it should not take precedence over the correct running of Conservapedia.
[[User:ConsMoviesAppeal|ConsMoviesAppeal]] 11:04, 3 March 2015 (EST) (ConsMovies)
:ConsMoviesAppeal, create 10 solid new articles that are at least 2,400 words in length to show good faith. The articles must be articles that need to be written for the [[Conservapedia:Atheism Project|Conservapedia atheism project]].
:Given your British IP address (a British atheist from London is obsessed with me) and your parodist type edits, I doubt you will take me up on this offer. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:12, 4 March 2015 (EST)
::I have reconsidered. If he does an article on [[Lee Rigby]] and creates 2 new articles for the [[Conservapedia:Atheism Project|Conservapedia atheism project]] of at least 2,400 words in length and are of good quality, he can edit Conservapedia for the foreseeable future barring any subsequent ill-behavior. This is my final offer and no counter offers will be accepted. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:04, 4 March 2015 (EST)
:::Conservative, I came here not to appease you, but to warn the other admins and other users of your account about you. I assume I am speaking to the same user who blocked me, who did so for personal reasons, and who can apparently do whatever he or she wants with the User:Conservative account while the other users of that account turn a blind eye.
:::I have made no "parodist type edits." As I said, you reverted the edit where I fixed the italics in an article. Why? I can see no reason other than my name being on the edit.
:::Also, you have failed to explain why you reverted my edits to the article [[Mystery:Why Do Non-Conservatives Exist?]].
:::Additionally, have you actually seen Robocop?
:::Anyone could be forgiven for thinking that the true conservative members of the group that uses the User:Conservative account are in fact no longer here, and that you are the parodist/parodists.
:::[[User:ConsMoviesAppeal|ConsMoviesAppeal]] 14:47, 7 March 2015 (EST)
::::Conservative, rather than answer my questions, which you can not do, you blocked me again. You can't explain the reverts that you did. You reverted good edits only because you have a personal grudge. And you call yourself a conservative! [[User:ConsMoviesAppeal2|ConsMoviesAppeal2]] 13:01, 10 March 2015 (EDT)
===From SamHB===
Andy: A serious case of abuse has unfolded just above on this talk page. It refers to the block, by Cons, of the user "ConsMovies", apparently relating to some edits made to the [[Essay:Greatest Conservative Movies]] page.
I'm not going to support or oppose those edits, as I don't watch many movies, and have probably not seen any of the movies involved. But, whatever the merits of the actual edits, Cons's actions are utterly inexcusable. They appear to be some kind of emotional outburst, the reason for which I don't understand (and I know Cons well.) He also seems to have reverted all of ConsMovies' edits, based entirely on the fact that they were made by ConsMovies and without regard to the actual substance. He even reverted some italicization of a few movie titles. The convention appears to be that movie titles are supposed to be in italics. A few were not, and ConsMovies fixed that. Cons reverted even that change. That can't be simply an accident; ConsMovies brought up that very issue in the section above, and Cons still took no action. I would have fixed it myself, but the page is locked.
Cons's actions constitute a blatant abuse of his administrative powers. He is carrying out a brutish personal vendetta against someone for reasons that I don't understand. ConsMovies' edits may be worthy of a revert—I can't judge—but this is simply an abuse of power.
A rather disturbing aspect of this has been the discussion that you can see in the section above. ConsMovies created a new account to appeal the block (against the rules, but there is no other way to do it, so it's a good thing that that rule is not enforced), and Cons issued some demands that are nothing but an abusive power trip. He demanded that ConsMovies write 10 articles, meeting certain demands on size, and '''demanding that they must be on a specified topic!''' In all my time here I have never seen a demand of that type. Furthermore, the demand was couched in particularly abusive terms—"This is my final offer and no counter offers will be accepted" that are reminiscent of the Postsdam Declaration of World War 2.
But perhaps the most disturbing aspect of this is Cons's demands that the articles (which of course ConsMovies couldn't create in any case since he is blocked) be in a topic category that is of particular interest to Cons. (The "Atheism Project", which is essentially owned by Cons.) Cons is effectively demanding that ConsMovies do his bidding, as a condition for being allowed to edit at Conservapedia.
There are some very crude contemporary slang terms that are sometimes used to describe the relationship that Cons is demanding that ConsMovies enter into. I don't endorse the language at all, but one of the terms I can think of relates to a female canine, and the others relate to an extremely old profession.
I have been trying to work with Cons both on his writing style and on his efforts to interact with others in a straightforward and sensible manner (see my talk page), but have made only slight headway. You need to intervene. Please unblock ConsMovies, and admonish Cons on acceptable standards of behavior for an administrator.
Sincerely, [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 17:52, 12 March 2015 (EDT)
:Hi, I'm a new editor here. I just wanted to let you know that I think [[User:Conservative]] is completely innocent. Thanks. [[User:ZDean|ZDean]] 19:24, 12 March 2015 (EDT)
::You seem awfully new to be jumping into such a complicated issue. I assume you are familiar with the many dozens of controversies that Cons has been involved in over the years, many of which I am very familiar with. I also assume that, in what you wrote just above, that you were specifically referring just to the "ConsMovies" incident. And that you are aware that it is a more isolated and simple issue than many of the others. Why don't you, off the top of your head, render your opinions on some of the others?
::Or perhaps you would like us to believe that you are another member of Cons's fictional "collective". You must know that that is not his ''modus operandi''.
::Andy: Please don't delete ZDean's comment (or mine) above. People need to see this kind of stuff.
::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 22:36, 12 March 2015 (EDT)
:::Whenever a liberal cannot pin anything on a conservative (or conservative organization), often they resort to calling the person/organization "controversial" (see: [[Liberal Style]]).
:::Given SamHB's/Conservmoviesappeal's high words/substance ratio, I doubt Mr. Schlafly read their long screeds. At most, he skimmed them. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:18, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
::::Before I had even posted on Conservapedia I had contacted Andy by email to get his advice on anti-abortion and pro-life topics for setting up a pro-life project of my own. Andy invited me to post here and advised me, and I paraphrase "Do not take much notice about what is said on talk pages". Since then I have been blocked twice by Conservative simply for disagreeing with him, despite being told I would not be blocked. As I had misplaced Andy's email address I had no way of contacting him for advice I really did need. I have come to the conclusion that Conservative is always right, never bullies or intimidates people and never uses a high word to substance ratio despite publishing dozens of atheism articles, many of which are close facsimiles of each other based on one Barna Group report many years ago. Conservative holds the axe here and there is no point in opposing him if you do not want it to be bought down on your neck.--[[User:Tomqua|Tomqua]] 10:22, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
:::::To illustrate my point look at the deletion of my talk page[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Tomqua]. You will see that despite my posts being accepted and me showing some contrition I was still blocked. It does not show it here but after I had written "Ok, but so far my posts have been accepted" the next line was , again I paraphrase "You were warned". followed by the block. I can only conclude the real reason for the block was spite.--[[User:Tomqua|Tomqua]] 10:50, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
Tomqua, are you an atheist? Your past complaints at this wiki would indicate you are an atheist.
Conservapedia is never going to whitewash atheism. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:13, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
:My religious views are not your concern.--[[User:Tomqua|Tomqua]] 15:58, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
::Given the [[Moral failures of the atheist population|folly and shamefulness]] of the [[atheist worldview]], I can understand your reluctance to admit you are an atheist. Many atheists are closet atheists and find it difficult to support their [[Atheism is a religion|atheist religion]] (see: [[Atheism and cowardice]]).
::Jesus set the highest moral standards (Sermon on the mount, etc.) and there is an abundance of [[Christian apologetics websites|evidence supporting Christianity]], so there no reason for a Christian to be ashamed of being a Christian. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:17, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
:::It has nothing to do with cowardice. Think along the lines of your past record of bullying and belittling not just atheism but any form Christianity you find too liberal, see [[Liberal Christianity and marital infidelity]].--[[User:Tomqua|Tomqua]] 16:35, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
::::I find that a strange remark, for a number of reasons. Only one of which being that the article doesn't strike me as a particularly vivid example of the point you were professing to demonstrate. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] 17:01, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
== Key articles and traffic ==
Andy,
Based on our discussion yesterday, I fixed the sidebar taking the various matters we talked about into account.
If you and/or others would format/improve the [[abortion articles]] page so it is more organized and has some pictures that would be much appreciated. If you want an example of this via another "articles page", please see: [[Atheism articles]].
I also created a few more abortion articles. Some of the footnoting is messed up for some of those articles, but I had to attend to some matters this morning, so I didn't have time to fix the footnoting for those articles. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:48, 7 March 2015 (EST)
== The Son of God ==
Andy, I've joined Conservapedia four years ago. I've invested quite a bit of time in the [[CBP]], mainly to curb the most egregious abominations. I'm very bothered that time after time some random insights trumped scholarship and knowledge. You chided me for ''"a pedantic word-for-word approach to translation''", but at least I'm able to do so: after these four years I'm convinced that you are lacking any skills in Greek beside recognizing the alphabet and browsing various translations. This becomes ample clear reading your article on the [[Son of Man]]. E.g., take your comment:
{{cquote|Matthew 5:45 has "πατρὸς ὑμῶν τοῦ ἐν οὐρανοῖς." This is translated as "your Father who is in heaven" or, more concisely, "your Father, in heaven." Likewise "ὁ υἱὸς τοὺ ἀνθρώπου" should be "The Son who is a human being" or, more concisely, "The Son, a human being."--Andy Schlafly 18:51, 24 June 2014 (EDT) }}
Here you showed that you are not able to parse a Greek sentence, but that you are only try to match patterns at a very basic level (see [[Talk:Son_of_Man#.22Son_of_Man.22]] for details). It is very disappointing, that your knowledge hasn't improved over the last four years, if anything, it seems to deteriorate. I urge you to stop pretending to translate the Bible!
As [[User:Conservative]] observed, even such a short passage may have been to wordy for your taste. Therefore:
'''tl;dr: Andy, you don't have any Greek. Stop recreating the Bible in your image.'''
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:40, 15 March 2015 (EDT)
== New User ==
Hey Andy I Just want to say I Look up to you and your interest in History. As a new user I am a little unfamiliar on how this site works and wat is the proper content to put up. Can you tell me where i can find help? God bless! Kl3m3ntin3.
== Martyrs to the faith ==
Could you please move [[Martyrs to the faith]] to [[Protestant martyrs to the faith]]? It seems to be odd that this title is reserved for Protestant Christians ("''The martyrs to the faith are the Protestants who were executed by Roman Catholics during the Reformation of the 16th century. ''"). In fact, this list and some articles created by [[User:WKirkwood]] in 2008 (like [[George Wishart]]) have an anti-catholic tendency and try to deny that Catholics are Christians, too ("'''Walter Myln''' was a Scottish [[Christian]] and the last [[martyr]] of the [[faith]] who was murdered by [[Roman Catholic]]s in 1558 by burning at the stake in [[St Andrews]]. ") --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:33, 20 March 2015 (EDT)
:Fixed. See: [[Protestant martyrs]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:17, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
== Conservapedia is not displaying right ==
Lately, in about 33-50% of the cases, Conservapedia is not displaying right. The right sidebar is blank or the bottom of pages is blank. I tried two browsers in order to see if it was related to a particular browser and with both browsers I had this same problem.
Do you know what is causing this problem? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:09, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
:I'm not seeing this on Firefox on Windows or Linux, or Internet Explorer on Windows. You know what they always say--reboot and try again. Aren't computers wonderful? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 16:31, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
::I am having this problem with both Firefox and a speedy clone of Google chrome. I don't think this is related to my computer as I have used this computer for years without trouble as far as Conservapedia and I am using the same operating system that I have been using for months.
::In addition, rebooting the computer did not fix the problem. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:53, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
:::Don't know what to say. You're pretty computer-savvy, so you know all about resetting your router, taking your computer to a wifi spot in some local restaurant or whatever, having a friend bring his/her computer to your place, etc. etc.
:::But everything works just fine for me. Except of course for this "atheism and donuts" nonsense all over RC.
:::Your computer isn't an atheist by any chance, is it? :-) Maybe it just wants a donut! [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 18:48, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
I am not going to mess with my router and I am pretty much staying inside while I overcome my flu induced acute bronchitis (it is getting better each day).
Second, the problem is manageable, but annoying.
Third, it is donuts vs. atheism and not atheism and donuts. Donuts are clearly winning and successfully attacking the soft underbelly of atheism! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:05, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
:I'm sorry to hear that you are unwell. Get plenty of rest, drink fluids, and all that "mom" stuff. And lay off the donuts. :-) The weather in this part of the country has not been conducive to getting outside and getting fresh air and all that, but the forecast is for 44 degrees and no precipitation (but cloudy) on Thursday. I hope you will be well enough to go for a long walk and get fresh air by then. I will do the same. I expect no edits from you on that day, OK? I will do my part by not provoking you.
:Donuts vs. atheism? Atheism and donuts? Is there really a difference? Aren't conflicts like this symmetrical? In any case, I'm very glad to hear that you perceive that donuts are winning this war. But don't eat too many of them! I don't want you to develop a "soft underbelly". I myself am neutral (one might even say "agnostic"!) on this issue. As I said on the other page, I'm not aware of any "culture war" here.
:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:29, 22 March 2015 (EDT)
Get well soon! BTW: It's quite amusing that whenever you are confronted with troubles in the real world (illness, computer problems), your multiple personalities collapse into one! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:35, 22 March 2015 (EDT)
:Touché! I hadn't noticed that. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 11:49, 22 March 2015 (EDT)
:::AugustO, you still haven't address the content/style differences related to the [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]] and the [[homosexuality]]/atheism/evolution articles and the articles most recent title change battle.
:::SamHB, unlike many overweight atheists, I am committed to not eating processed sugar! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:48, 22 March 2015 (EDT)
Have you cleared a browser's cache? On more than one occasion, cross-browser problems have been cured for me by clearing the cache or, in extreme cases, cache and cookies. Although browsers don't share caches, plug-ins can and a corrupted plug-in cache can manifest itself in unpredictable ways. [[User:MelH|MelH]] 12:54, 22 March 2015 (EDT)
:Clearing the browsing history via the browser, logging in/out does offer a degree of relief and so does the cache clearing software package CCleaner which is quite thorough. But they do not solve the problem completely.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:00, 22 March 2015 (EDT)
::After clearing my cache via the browser and using the cache clearing software CCleaner, Conservapedia just retained my log in status even after I had logged out before doing this cache clearing procedure. This is very strange. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:37, 22 March 2015 (EDT)
:::The problem stopped. I changed my antivirus protection recently. Maybe that was the problem. Or perhaps it was my internet provider. Tough to say. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:31, 24 March 2015 (EDT)
==Requesting Ability To Upload Files==
Dear Mr Schlafly
May I request the ability to upload files? I would like to reupload images after losslessly compressing them, to save space on the servers.
Regards, <br>
--[[User:KennethAlberty|KennethAlberty]] 14:46, 2 April 2015 (EDT)
== Picture Upload Request ==
I was wondering if we could get a picture of [[David Perdue|Senator Perdue]] for his page? [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/David_Perdue_official_Senate_photo.jpg/220px-David_Perdue_official_Senate_photo.jpg This picture would be great]. Thanks. [[User:ScottH35|ScottH35]] 18:52, 13 April 2015 (EDT)
:Picture uploaded as requested: [[File:DavidPerdue2015.jpg]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 00:06, 14 April 2015 (EDT)
Thank you for the picture of Senator Perdue. Could we now get one for [[Joe Heck]]? It is amazing how few pictures of our elected officials are on this site! [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Joe_Heck%2C_Official_Portrait%2C_112th_Congress.jpg/640px-Joe_Heck%2C_Official_Portrait%2C_112th_Congress.jpg This picture would be great].[[User:ScottH35|ScottH35]] 15:57, 20 April 2015 (EDT)
== Robert Dicke ==
Andy, you think that Robert Dicke is the greatest American physicists.
*Dicke had no problems with [[E=mc²]] - he thought that it would be "unlikely" that this equation doesn't hold as it fits the experimental observations (see, e.g., Robert Dicke "The Theoretical Significance of Experimental Relativity")
*The Brans-Dicke theory resembles Einstein's Theory much more than Newton's. It doesn't allow for your [[action at a distance]].
*He worked extensively on the equivalence principle, something with which you [[Talk:Biblical_scientific_foreknowledge#GUT|had problems in the past]].
So, why don't you read up on his work, and honor him by understanding his ideas?
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 10:03, 7 May 2015 (EDT)
Have you any evidence - besides your gut-feeling - that Dicke was denied the Nobel prize because of his ideas regarding the General Theory of Relativity? It could be that the committee took umbrage because he rather belatedly acknowledged the work of Gamov, Alpher, and Herman:
{{cquote|"There is one unfortunate and embarrassing aspect of our work on the fire-ball radiation. We failed to make an adequate literature search and missed the more important papers of Gamow, Alpher and Herman. I must take the major blame for this, for the others in our group were too young to know these old papers. In ancient times I had heard Gamow talk at Princeton but I had remembered his model universe as cold and initially filled only with neutrons." |||Robert Dicke, in ''The Discoveries: Great Breakthroughs in 20th-Century Science'', by Alan Lightman, ISBN-13: 9780375713453}}
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:32, 14 May 2015 (EDT)
== All non-administrators are blocked from editing Conservapedia ==
Andy,
All non-administrators are blocked from editing Conservapedia. I confirmed this matter via a non-adminstrator account that I set up months ago and used for one edit as an experiment.
AugustO recently told me this and another editor as well.
Can you please fix this problem? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:19, 8 May 2015 (EDT)
=Labor Party is humiliated=
This headline needs changing, sorry to say this but it looks sloppy. It is "The Labour Party", a proper noun. "The Conservative Party", again a proper noun with a capital C. The 20 year old in question was a "Scottish National Party" candidate and not Scottish Independence which was not on the agenda at this election. Sorry to sound picky but it is important to get the semantics correct.--[[User:CuthbertA|CuthbertA]] 10:58, 8 May 2015 (EDT)
:I put the word "The" in the headline. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:38, 9 May 2015 (EDT)
::Thank you Conservative. You are right, Labour were trounced. Outside the major urban areas in England and South Wales they have practically no support. Labour needs to carry Scotland to win and Scotland has deserted them.--[[User:CuthbertA|CuthbertA]] 12:00, 9 May 2015 (EDT)
== Hotze ==
So I heard that the 5th Circuit decided ''Hotze v. Burwell'' on April 24, 2015, vacating the decision of the district court and determining that the plaintiffs lacked standing. I was wondering whether you were planning on filing a cert petition or instead starting over with a new plaintiff on the merits of the Origination Clause challenge. Thanks, [[User:GregG|GregG]] 00:43, 23 May 2015 (EDT)
:Greg, thanks for your comment about this! Actually, I plan to file a petition for rehearing ''en banc'' before the full [[Fifth Circuit]], and I need to start working on it soon! My deadline is 45 days after the decision was rendered (ordinarily the deadline is only 14 days, but it is the longer 45 days when the federal government is a party, as in this case).--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 00:57, 23 May 2015 (EDT)
== Rob Smith ==
I agree with User: Conservative about wanting Rob Smith to have admin rights again. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 07:45, 27 May 2015 (EDT)
== Counterexamples to Relativity ==
Andy, please discuss the Biblical counterexamples at [[Talk:Counterexamples_to_Relativity#Action-at-a-distance_according_to_the_Bible]] before putting them back into the article! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:33, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
== Template:Cquote problem ==
Hi Andy, there's a problem with Template:Cquote that I brought up at [[Conservapedia:Community Portal]]. The template is showing up in [[:Category:Speedy deletion candidates]], but the template hasn't been edited since 2012, so it's a puzzle why it would suddenly show up there. Conservative couldn't figure it out, and he suggested I notify you. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] 20:40, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
:cquote works, right? I use it often:
{{cquote|Here is an example.}}--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:45, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
::Yes, as far as I know. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] 21:18, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
:::That is a bizarre mystery why it is showing up in that category now. I cannot explain it. Obviously cquote should not be deleted.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:33, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
Try to delete <span style="background:lightgrey"><nowiki><noinclude>{{lorem ipsum}}</noinclude></nowiki></span> from the template: could be the reason... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 01:41, 11 June 2015 (EDT)
::::AugustO, thanks. I fixed the problem using your suggestion. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:00, 11 June 2015 (EDT)
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== Database Download? ==
I homeschool my children and they are too young to allow online access. I do use Kiwix (see kiwix.org) though and would like to build a ZIM file of Conservapedia that they can use for research. Does Conservapedia make a database dump of the articles available? Thank you for this wonderful resource! [[User:CurtisJ|CurtisJ]] 12:00 PM 24 December 2014 (EDT)
== Promotion ==
Thanks a lot Mr. Schlafly, I promise to make good use of my new rights. - [[User:PetyrB|PetyrB]] 12:33, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
== Meritocracy ==
Andy, you have repeatedly stated that Conservapedia is a meritocracy, and you often rewarded editors by bestowing rights on their accounts. Therefore, I have to ask: has [[User:PetyrB]] some merits besides those which are on display here at Conservapedia? Otherwise, the promotion of his account is rather surprising:
*His account is just a week old. The only other other account which I remember to have risen so quickly, was [[User:Markman]]
*He hasn't made any substantial edit to an article, or started a new article
*For an observer, his greatest merit seems to be that he agrees with you in everything.
I'm surprised how quickly [[User:PetyrB]] picked up the peculiar lingo of Conservapedia, terms like "talk pollution", "last wordism".
Do you think he is such a fast learner? I remember the pattern, and I've seen the little atrocities (deleting comments, petty insults) before! Are you interested in repeating history over and over again?
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:28, 1 July 2014 (EDT)
:User:PetyrB is another Markman/Bugler. Consider blocking him now. So far my track record is 100% being right when indicating someone is an insincere editor. And I don't expect to see User:PetyrB adding a lot of content to main space articles.
::Here are 3 acid tests to consider in the future: 1) Is he/she creating a significant amount of main space article content? If no, this is definitely a red flag. 2) Does the person have an aggressive personality? If so, then they may be trying to get rid of good faith editors. 3) Does the person use language that I use or praise my favorite projects at Conservapedia? If so, the person may be engaged [http://sales.about.com/od/glossaryofsalesterms/g/What-Is-Mirroring.htm in mirroring] in order to quickly gain rapport. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:35, 1 July 2014 (EDT)
:::I think that you two are overreacting. AugusO, you talk as if Andy has officially made me his second in command. In reality, the promotion I have been granted is rather modest. He has given me blocking rights and Skipcaptcha. That's it. You stated that I "hasn't made any substantial edit to an article, or started a new article". I don't see why this is relevant for me to have block rights, you don't need to write any article in order to properly block a spammer, a vandal or someone with an inappropriate username. As far as I gather, Andy has given me blocking rights for my work in reverting vandalism, not for any edits I have made.
:::User:Conservaitve wrote "User:PetyrB is another Markman/Bugler." How exactly did you reach this conclusion? I have lurked for some time on Conservapedia, and I'm aware that there are some mischievous vandals who try to insert parody into our wiki. Why do you think I'm one of them? Do you find hints of parody in any of the edits I have made so far?
:::Anyhow, the reason why I came to CP is to contribute, not to be endowed with blocking rights. Should Andy revoke my blocking rights, it would not cause me any grief (although I do want to retain the Skipcaptcha, it is helpful when editing). I just hope that this exchange of ours will soon forgotten and that our next interactions on this website will be more cordial. - [[User:PetyrB|PetyrB]] 16:54, 1 July 2014 (EDT)
::::PetyrB, please feel free to prove me wrong by creating a significant amount of new main space content.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:11, 1 July 2014 (EDT)
:::::Creating more content for CP is why I registered here. It will take me some time to reach impressive achievements since I'm relatively inexperienced at wiki-editing, but I hope that within a few months at the most I'll be able to show you that I mean well. - [[User:PetyrB|PetyrB]] 15:02, 2 July 2014 (EDT)
Based on IP address research that Karajou just performed, the evidence is pointing to PetyrB being user Markman/Markoman. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:39, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
'''Andy''', PetyrB went on a spree to replace every occurrence of "Son of Man" by your "translation". I tried to undo these edits, as I think that the last word on this matter shouldn't be written by someone like him. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 17:27, 23 July 2014 (EDT)
== George H. W. Bush ==
Are [[George H. W. Bush]] and [[Mike Crapo]] Conservatives or RINOs?--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 05:16, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
:[[George H. W. Bush]] was a [[RINO]]. I don't know enough about [[Mike Crapo]] to say.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:44, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
::There was a place in my heart for Bush until he "chucked aside my free market principles" and he came out in support of the banking bailout. Nowadays, I call him George "I chucked my principles" Bush. Without principles, you're not a man at all. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:51, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
== I suggest banning the parodist JamesWilson ==
I suggest banning the parodist JamesWilson or at the very least stripping him of his block rights.
JamesWilson just gave a bizarre definition of fornication. Namely, he claims fornication includes sex within marriage not intended for procreation.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Fornication&curid=104251&diff=1092465&oldid=854524] Setting aside the morality of sex inside of marriage not intended for procreation, this is certainly not fornication. Merriam-Webster, for example, defines fornication as "consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other".[http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fornication]
Secondly, he indicated on PetyrB's talk page that he wanted to have private email communications with him when I challenged PetyrB on being Markman the parodist. No doubt to give him suggestions on how to avoid detection as far as being a parodist.
Thirdly, correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall that JamesWilson's biggest "contributions" are to Elvis/Little Richard, etc. articles.
Fourthly, he has a penchant of attempting to curry favor with you which was a trait of Bugler, Markman, etc.
Fifthly, I have always suspected JamesWilson to be a parodist and so far my accuracy is 100%. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:49, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
:I saw that Conservative deleted and salted JamesWilson's user and user talk pages. However, he neglected to block the account. I don't know whether this was an oversight or an intentional decision. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 20:04, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
::积水之激，至于漂石者，势也。鸷鸟之疾，至于毁折者，节也。 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:36, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
:::I don't understand what you are saying (even with Google translate). Following the [[Conservapedia:Editing article and talk pages]] will help in effective communication on this project. Thanks, [[User:GregG|GregG]] 21:41, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
*As of 05:16, 9 July 2014, JamesWilson has blocked himself. If he can block himself, can he unblock himself? This is getting curiouser and curiouser. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 01:40, 9 July 2014 (EDT)
::He decided to get a new hobby because his days of being a parodist were effectively over. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:08, 9 July 2014 (EDT)
Conservative, given that your accuracy is 100%, what do you think of [[User:Historybuff]]? For me, he takes great efforts to sound like a sock of yours! Would you take action? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 17:14, 2 August 2014 (EDT)
== Tea Party Crusaders displays scammy advertisements ==
I was visiting the article "The country with second highest amount of abortions in the world decides to impose fines on abortions. Guess which country" on Tea Party Crusaders, linked on our front page. On the right side, there is a scammy advertisement simulating user interface elements, stating "Media content may not display properly. Download a new video content player now. Your system may not be able to play all media content and services available. Install new windows compatible software now." (For the record, my operating is Ubuntu 14.04). I have a screenshot that is available, but I cannot upload images to Conservapedia. <del>I wonder whether Conservapedia should link to sites carrying advertisements that could significantly harm our readers.</del> Many thanks, [[User:GregG|GregG]] 20:18, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
:GregG, please spare us your liberal hysterics. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:25, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
::I don't see web security as a partisan issue. Another advertisement I found imitated the Facebook mobile interface with a flashing notifications icon. Clicking the advertisement leads to a survey scam (also using Facebook's trade dress). [[User:GregG|GregG]] 21:46, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
:::GregG, I am not going to wrestle in the internet mud with an unreasonable liberal. You have cried wolf too many times before concerning your various petulant complaints. Game over. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:57, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
::::Thank you for your input, Conservative. I will leave the resolution of this issue to Mr. Schlafly (screenshots are also available upon request). [[User:GregG|GregG]] 22:15, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
:::::Against my better judgement, I investigated your complaint using an Opera browser with no advertisement blocker or other types of blocking on the Opera browser and it was a total waste of time. Please stop wasting my time. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:27, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
::::::If you have an e-mail address, I can send you the screenshots I took. Note that the scammy advertisements do not appear on every page load. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 22:30, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
::::::The [http://www.appnexus.com/ AppNexus] network delivered the advertisements I mentioned above. There are other ad networks on TPC. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 22:35, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
:::::::You want my email address so you can pesterfest me about nothing at will and waste more of my time whenever you desire. Gehenna will freeze over before that happens. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:39, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
*The main Tea Party site is the [http://www.tpnn.com/ Tea Party News Network]. Tea Party Crusaders is a rather obscure site to be getting so much material from. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 02:11, 9 July 2014 (EDT)
::Alexa ranks the Tea Party Crusaders website about 83,000 in the United States and I like a number of the stories they choose to cover. For example, they recently ran a number of: pro-life stories, Christian stories, anti-Obama stories, a godless Britain story, anti-atheism/evolution stories, pro-gun rights stories, anti-liberal stories, etc. They also chose to run a Christian athlete story recently.
::Unlike many Tea Party websites, they have a strong emphasis on the social issues. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:42, 9 July 2014 (EDT)
Here's another probably-fraudulent advertisement I found on TPC tonight: it states "CONGRATULATIONS! THIS IS NOT A JOKE! YOU ARE THE 100.000<sup>th</sup> VISITOR! <u>Click here</u>" (with the "click here" line in rapidly flashing black and white text). Clicking the advertisement leads to a "free product" scam, notable for requiring significant expense to obtain a nominally-free product (I will not make the obvious political comparison), one of which is a "$500 Unemployment Check", it also includes probably-fraudulent statements that there are only 5 or 6 products left, as well as testimonials of unknown provenance. Screenshots are available upon request. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 21:32, 7 August 2014 (EDT)
:Another ad I found this morning is an imitation of a browser plugin notification stating "This content requires Java 12.3. Would you like to install now?" In fact, there is no version 12.3 of Java. Clicking the advertisement links to a page promoting a video playing application, which, in turn, pops up a fake Windows Vista/Windows 7 dialog stating "Your [software] Download is ready!" Screenshots are available upon request. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 10:02, 8 August 2014 (EDT)
== Is [[User:CraigF2]] a parodist? ==
Dear Mr. Schlafly,
I recently saw some edits of [[User:CraigF2]]. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Toyota_Prius&diff=1093407&oldid=1093369 This one] in particular makes me believe that the user is a parodist, though I would like a second opinion. Thanks, [[User:GregG|GregG]] 21:22, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
:Your reversion was appropriate, and I don't disagree with your analysis.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:25, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
::After reading User:CraigF2's user page recently, I said to myself this editor is probably an atheist posing as a Christian conservative. GregG's pointing out of this recent edit of his, greatly reinforces my suspicion and has cemented it in. Like JamesWilson, CraigF2's parodist career is effectively over as he has been spotted. I am emailing Karajou now. I think it is time for CraigF2 to develop a new hobby to replace his [[Essay: Conservapedia obsessive compulsive disorder|Conservapedia obsessive compulsive disorder]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:16, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
== Please unprotect my talk page ==
It was protected by [[User:Conservative]] without explanation. Many thanks, [[User:GregG|GregG]] 22:21, 19 July 2014 (EDT)
:UPDATE: the page has been unprotected, but it is still troubling that an admin protected another user's user talk page without that user's request. Hopefully steps will be taken to ensure that a similar abuse of tools does not recur. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 22:32, 19 July 2014 (EDT)
== Animation article and Brian34 ==
You might want to lock the Animation page as it seems the socks of Brian34 et.al. are trying to create a revert war. I suggest you look into this issue. [[User:OraceHay|OraceHay]] 21:13, 20 July 2014 (EDT)
== Common Core ==
Hi there, should a special article be written on Common Core that isn't an essay? I'm asking for approval before I start. Thank you.
(Oh, and thanks for giving me blocking rights!) [[User:Atum|Atum]] 17:28, 22 July 2014 (EDT)
:Yes, a regular entry on Common Core would be great! Thanks in advance for starting one.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 17:36, 22 July 2014 (EDT)
== Republican Politicians ==
Hello there. I said this in an edit summary, but should something be done about the pages for Conservative and Liberal figures? There are all of these pages that are being ridiculously elaborated upon, such as [[Atheism]], yet for some political figures, they're just a few lines long. Anything I need to do about this, as if it's Conservapedia, it's pretty important to know about the politicians. Thank you. [[User:Atum|Atum]] 12:33, 26 July 2014 (EDT)
:More development of the entries about political figures would be terrific!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 12:41, 26 July 2014 (EDT)
::P.S. But politicians tend to be followers of culture and ideas, rather than leaders. The term "political leader" is a bit of an [[oxymoron]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 12:42, 26 July 2014 (EDT)
:::Talking of political leaders Andy, what is your opinion on Marco Rubio? He seems to be the leading candidate for the Republican 2016 election at this early stage. He has a lot going for him, his youth will appeal to younger voters and whilst no RINO, he seems more moderate than some so could pull the undecided or swing voters who would not back some other choices. He seems like a good option to me.--[[User:ColinP|ColinP]] 15:16, 26 July 2014 (EDT)
::::[[Marco Rubio]] was brought from obscurity by [[conservatives]] and elected by them. But after he was elected, he made the mistake of thinking he had a brighter future with moderates and [[RINO]]s. It's doubtful he can regain the conservative support he had previously.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:07, 27 July 2014 (EDT)
== Orwellian changes of Conservapedia's history ==
[[Conservapedia proven right]] shows numerous examples of predictions made by Conservapedia which became true. What happens when there is a prediction - prominently on display and repeatedly made - which doesn't become reality?
In 2012/2013, we read on the main page of Conservapedia news-items like the following:
{{cquote|50 page Question Evolution! booklet. Question Evolution! Campaign runaway train is going to be released|||[http://web.archive.org/web/20120215050509/http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page Feb 15, 2012]}}
{{cquote|A Question evolution! campaign group now has 3 writers and at least 3 Question Evolution! booklets/books will be coming out. Some of the booklets/books will be designed for young people.|||[http://web.archive.org/web/20120501184006/http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page May 1, 2012]}}
{{cquote|A 15 questions for evolutionists booklet and book for middle school students will soon be coming out and they are going to be heavily promoted and distributed.|||[http://web.archive.org/web/20120619134057/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Jun 19,2012]}}
{{cquote|SS Evolution! passengers get on your life jackets! A barrage of 100+ page Question evolution! campaign booklet torpedoes is headed your way!|||[http://web.archive.org/web/20120919002949/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Sep 19, 2012]}}
{{cquote|The Question evolution! book for middle school students, edited by a Christian apologist, gains in popularity. |||[http://web.archive.org/web/20130711205854/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Jul 11, 2013]}}
{{cquote|Canadian teacher at a Christian school will be serving as a science editor of the Question evolution! campaign book for middle school students.|||[http://web.archive.org/web/20130718204401/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Jul 18, 2013]}}
And many more...
Two and a half years later, this book hasn't been published. This is a prediction boldly made by Conservapedia on its main page (without any qualifiers) which just was wrong. But instead of owning up to it, gritting your teeth and admitting that such things happen, another way was chosen: I had to link to the news-items using the [http://web.archive.org internet archive], as every mentioning of this book was erased from the history of the main page and even from discussions on the archives of the main talk page! Though the "book for the middle school" was announced (according to my memory at least) on many talk-pages, User talk pages and even articles, now, you just find deleted revisions.
This reminds me of the erasure of [[Leon Trotsky]] from all documents and even photographs in the Soviet Union! But alas, such an attempt to change history will always be incomplete, and thereby counterproductive: How do you reply to someone who says "Obviously they are right at [[Conservapedia proven right]], but that is not surprising, as they erase all the cases when they are wrong."
I'm aware that you, Andy, probably won't react to this problem - and I'm afraid that this is something your sysops count on. As [[User:Conservative]] said in another deleted revision to [[User:GregG]]:
{{cquote|GregG, if you have any concerns or complaints about this matter, I/we would recommend that you take them to the owner of the website godspeed. I/we predict that you will get the "Schlafly ignore" - AGAIN! |||[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:14, 20 July 2014 (EDT)}}{{unsigned|AugustO}}
AugustO, evolutionists claim that truly astounding things can happen given enough time. Why do you doubt the cited news stories you indicated were on the main page? It has only been 2 1/2 years according to you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:51, 27 July 2014 (EDT)
:Sorry, missed my signature - I - [[User:AugustO]] wrote the text above. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:55, 27 July 2014 (EDT)
*I don't doubt that the stories once could be read on the main page, and that these stories were discussed on various talk-pages, though great efforts were taken to make every mentioning of the booklet disappear.
*Could you please try for once to stand by your announcements and your actions? Did you mean by ''soon''
::#in a million of years
::#in a couple of years
::#soon
*No Sun-Tzu, no weaseling, no ''I call you back, but I'm very busy now'', no ''you don't know who of my split persona made these announcements''. Please, please, please, talk the talk AND walk the walk. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 09:42, 2 August 2014 (EDT)
While you're waiting for a little booklet, how about a task from you, AugustO: prove evolution to be a fact using empirical evidence. What I have seen during the past few years is a deliberate attempt by critics to ''kill the message by killing the messenger.'' So what if a mere booklet cannot be produced; they've been trying to shut up Conservative since before this website was created, and they don't care that evidence has been presented which shows them to be completely and totally wrong (am I correct in saying that, Horace?). So here's the thing: if anyone does not like what we are saying about evolution; if anyone does not like what we are proving about evolution; if anyone does not like the fact that we are supporting GOD and His creation according to the Bible, that is just too bad. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 12:26, 2 August 2014 (EDT)
:*Thank you, Karajou, for taking an interest in this exchange! I think that it is very important that the older and more experienced administrators share their experience with the younger ones, who - like Conservative - are high-school students, but nevertheless have quite a bit of responsibility here at Conservapedia. I've said it before: I think that it is a good idea to make pupils an integral part of the administration of this website BUT these pupils shouldn't be left alone; they should be guided by Andy and others.
:*Normally, the (non-)existence of a "mere" booklet is a non-event, but during 2012 and 2013, there was no other item of news more extensively covered at the main-page than this "Question Evolution! campaign booklet" and the "Project 200+" - so, not I'm the one who blew this thing out of proportion!
:*And then, suddenly, it became taboo, the histories of pages were deleted and even archives containing announcements for the booklet were altered, creating the impression (at least here at Conservapedia), that no one has ever heard of this book. This is absurd!
:*I hope that you agree that such an act of apparent censorship doesn't help to maintain idea of a "trustworthy encyclopedia"!
:*A minor may think that it is a brilliant tactic to yell "just kidding" when an elaborate stunt has misfired, and to sweep any evidence under the carpet. I think it is the task of those to whom he is looking up, not to indulge him and to discourage such a behavior, as it is unbecoming for an adult.
:*I'm not trying to shut Conservative up, but I criticize some of his actions. And taking responsibility for your actions (and not hiding behind Chinese quotes, or a sudden influx of work...) is an important lesson in the school of life.
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 13:33, 2 August 2014 (EDT)
::AugustO, in 2013, Conservapedia reported on an announcement(s) made on another web property that indicated an event would happen "soon" as you indicated above. You also indicated that you don't know when "soon" is. I realize that immature people are often impatient. Aren't you making a tempest in a teapot? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:43, 2 August 2014 (EDT)
AugustO, the root of your problem is that you cannot satisfactorily answer the [http://creation.com/15-questions 15 questions] of the [[Question evolution! campaign]] and it upsets you. Prominent evolutionists have indicated that the origin of life is part of the evolutionary paradigm. [http://creation.com/origin-of-life] Of course, this means that the Question evolution! campaign stumped evolutionists with its very first question! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:25, 2 August 2014 (EDT)
:::@Conservative:
:::#The news item doesn't read ''"Some obscure blog made announced that a Question Evolution! campaign booklet for middle school pupils will be published soon"''. In fact it reads like any other prediction in [[Conservapedia proven right]].
:::#Do you think that any reader of these news-items has read "soon" meaning anything other but "in the near future", or worst "in a couple of months time"? If you wanted to indicate with "soon" "during the next few millenia", the whole situation gets worse: you were misleading your readers! Please take a look at the upper left corner: "CONSERVAPEDIA - THE TRUSTWORTHY ENCYCLOPEDIA".
:::#When you flooded the main-page with announcements about this booklet, you created the tempest. Please, don't try to deflect from this fact.
:::#What do you think of [[User:Historybuff]]? Please take a look at [[#I suggest banning the parodist JamesWilson]]. I hope that you prove immune against flattering edits!
:::@Karajou:
:::I don't think that one should encourage weaseling. Sadly, Conservative's comment above is an example of ''evading responsibility'', and not ''taking responsibility''.
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:22, 2 August 2014 (EDT)
AugustO, you had an opportunity to go up against the biology major [[VivaYehshua]] in an audio recorded debate relative to the 15 questions for evolutionists that would have been broadcast by the popular YouTube Christian channel [[Shockofgod]] with over 20,000 subscribers. You wimped out. Your comment about "evading" rings rather hollow.
AugustO, if only you had taken up the debate offer. Then you would be taken more seriously. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:10, 3 August 2014 (EDT)
:Even if I were the biggest wimp in the universe, I'd still see that you didn't address any of the points #1 - #4 above. Such an action is known as ''changing the topic'' or ''evading the question''. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:34, 3 August 2014 (EDT)
== Sissel upheld by D.C. Cir. ==
Dear Mr. Schlafly,
I wonder how the D.C. Circuit's [http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/07/appeals-court-rejects-new-test-of-health-care-mandate/ recent upholding] of the dismissal in ''Sissel v. HHS'' is going to affect ''Hotze''. Also, I found a [http://www.larryjoseph.com/_Dockets/Hotze-v-Sebelius.html website] hosting the briefs in ''Hotze'' online, so I was wondering how to go about writing a comprehensive Conservapedia article on the case (as well as, if copyright law permits, hosting the full text of the briefs on Conservapedia). Thanks, [[User:GregG|GregG]] 21:49, 29 July 2014 (EDT)
:Great comment, Greg. The Sissel decision ruled on the Origination Clause, but did not address all of the arguments on that Clause that have been presented in the Hotze case. Maybe I can write and post an analysis.
:As to briefs, I'm not sure what (if any) copyright issues exist. Presumably as long as you give credit, the doctrine of [[fair use]] would apply.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:14, 29 July 2014 (EDT)
== The latest Obama attack on arbitration ==
[http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2014/07/30/obama-order-to-expand-labor-rights-for-contractors Here]. Perhaps it can be featured on our main page. Thanks, [[User:GregG|GregG]] 20:16, 30 July 2014 (EDT)
:That is an interesting erosion of arbitration! "The president's order will also prohibit companies pursuing government contracts from requiring their workers to agree upfront to mandatory arbitration ...," your link explains.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:59, 30 July 2014 (EDT)
==Blacklisted word==
I can understand why the word "b*tcoin" may be associated with spammers, and needs to be blacklisted. However, I justed edited [[Wikimedia Foundation]] and could not save my edit until I replaced the i with an asterisk. Could an admin please go back and correct the spelling? If necessary, suspend the blacklist for a minute. Many thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 01:08, 9 August 2014 (EDT)
:On further thought, perhaps "b*tcoin" should be removed from the blacklist. If it were, I would add Seth Meyer's comment to the Reliability section of the main [[Wikipedia]] article and start a separate article on [[b*tcoin]]. It is important to understand the conservative perspective on alternative currencies: 1) a large part of our nation's international influence comes from the role of the US dollar as '''the''' currency of international trade, and 2) alternative currencies are used by criminals, such as Russian identity theft rings and international drug cartels to evade law enforcement. B*tcoin is designed to evade law enforcement, and it undercuts our nation's international influence. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 11:42, 9 August 2014 (EDT)
::I know that folks are very busy, but I am uncomfortable with the letter i being replaced by an asterisk. Could I please get some assistance on this matter. Many thanks. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 07:59, 11 August 2014 (EDT)
:::It should be updated as requested. Thanks for your patience.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 17:47, 11 August 2014 (EDT)
::::I have now corrected the spelling in [[Wikimedia Foundation]] and added the Seth Meyers' quote to [[Wikipedia]]. May I start the bitcoin article as outlined above, or is that a sensitive subject that should be left to a more experienced editor? Many thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 19:05, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
:::::An encyclopedic, lawful article about bitcoin would be fine.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:01, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
== Conservapedia cited in a prestigious book against atheism ==
On occasion, I butted heads with Roman Catholic, theistic evolutionist editors such as GregG, TK and NKeaton.
I just found out that John J. Pasquini, Th.D., a Roman Catholic priest and scholar, cited my Conservapedia [[atheism]] articles three times in his book'' Atheist Persona: Causes and Consequences'' (the book has 77 footnotes and cites Conservapedia atheism articles in footnotes 34, 64 and 67).[http://books.google.com/books?id=OMRhAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=conservapedia+atheism&source=bl&ots=XoulnSQ90x&sig=_1xyC3wiZtD9ihYXVljTugA2tGk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pL_3U72vB4r6oQTGg4HwCQ&ved=0CGsQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=conservapedia%20atheism&f=false] The book was favorably reviewed by [[Michael Behe]] (a leading proponent of [[intelligent design]] theory), [[Paul Vitz]] and [[Michael Egnor]] (also a proponent of intelligent design) and was published by the academic publisher University Press of America.[http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/atheist-persona-john-j-pasquini/1117916966?ean=9780761863328]
The book only cited the ''Encyclopedia Britannica'' once. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:10, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
:Very good achievement!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:02, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
::I read the beginning of the book and its table of contents and he appeared to gain a significant amount of his information from the Conservapedia atheism article. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:34, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
== Constitution course and state constitutions ==
Dear Mr. Schlafly,
Have you considered a comparative discussion of state constitutions, either as part of the Constitution course or as a separate course. I think it would be really interesting for students to contrast state constitutions with each other and with the federal Constitution. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 14:00, 30 August 2014 (EDT)
:A great suggestion, Greg, but state constitutions are not really in the same league as the U.S. Constitution in eloquence, brevity, or tremendous design. It would be like teaching a course about the ''Mona Lisa'' along with ... ordinary art. Maybe the contrast would be edifying.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:24, 30 August 2014 (EDT)
::I think someone could offer a college level course of "Constitutions and the political process." State Constitutions serve a much more political role than the Federal Constitution because they are easier to amend and the voters only look at them when they are up for amendment. A good example is Virginia. In 2010 over 80% of the voters approved a constitutional amendment authorizing a real property tax exemption for the principle residence of service members with a 100% disability. Politicians favored it because it allowed the state legislators to demonstrate that they are pro-veteran. However, this begs the question as to why the Virginia Constitution is so rigid in its overall treatment of real property tax assessment. (Answer: they don't trust the county-based tax assessors.) So, as soon as the amendment past, people started to ask why there is no exemption for the surviving spouse of a service member killed-in-action? (After all, a dead service member is more than 100% disabled.) So, on the 2014 ballot we will vote on a second very narrow constitutional amendment. This gives politicians a second chance to show that they are pro-veteran. Maybe in 2018 we can do an amendment for veterans currently enrolled in college under the GI-Bill? [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 01:08, 31 August 2014 (EDT)
== Scam ads, CNAV edition ==
I was viewing a CNAV article, and an ad appeared stating "Update Your Video Plugin [triangle pointing right]: See & Download Your Favorite Videos With [Name of Software] It's Free [checkmark]". Clicking the ad leads to a fake dialog box (in the style of Windows Vista) with title bar "Required Update", dialog title "Recommended Update", and text "The latest version of New Player [note: not the name of software in the ad] with critical security fixes is ready to install now / It wouldn't take too long to upgrade - and you'll get all the latest improvements and fixes." Screenshots available on request. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 21:35, 1 September 2014 (EDT)
Another advertisement for what appears to be the same product has the heading "(4) New Plugin Update !" and a fake title bar, minimize and close buttons, and mouse cursor moving through the ad. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 21:36, 1 September 2014 (EDT)
Another advertisement I found has the text "COME CLOSE to YOUR RUSSIAN AFFAIR"; no further comment needed. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 21:39, 1 September 2014 (EDT)
Meanwhile, on TPC I found headlines in the RevContent sponsored content plugin reading "Hottest Actresses That Bare It All", "Celebs Who Flash More than Their Winning", "Sexiest Celebrity Boobs in Hollywood", and "The Best Bodies on REEF Girls Ever" (the last has a picture of women with extremely skimpy underwear. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 22:02, 1 September 2014 (EDT)
:There are no ads on this website, and this website has no control over off-site ads. But your criticism has been forwarded and I've since been told the off-site ads will improve. Thanks for mentioning this.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:36, 2 September 2014 (EDT)
::Thank you very much for looking into this (as well as for continuing to financially and otherwise support this widely-known project without commercial advertisement or pledge drives). I am hopeful that Conservapedia's name can convince news sites that Conservapedia frequently promotes to take steps to ensure all their ads are high quality. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 19:59, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
== Thanks ==
Thank you for expanding my rights.--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 16:03, 20 September 2014 (EDT)
:Your account promotion was well-deserved!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 18:45, 21 September 2014 (EDT)
== Bariatric science ==
Conservapedia ranks in the Google USA top 10 for the search [[Bariatric science]] as can be seen [https://www.google.com/search?q=bariatric+science&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb HERE]. Conservapedia: one of the premier web resources for the topic of bariatric science! :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:38, 27 September 2014 (EDT)
== VargasMilan ==
He and I are having a little argument (see my talk page) over whether he has blocking rights. Did you neglect to congratulate him? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 01:38, 28 September 2014 (EDT)
== A request ==
First, thank you for letting me contribute to the Constitution lectures.
Second, I recently came across [http://www.afj.org/multimedia/first-monday-films/films/lost-in-the-fine-print this trailer] for an upcoming film made by one of the principal attackers of arbitration, which from viewing the trailer, is likely to be little more than disparagement of arbitration based on outdated anecdotes and mischaracterizations of arbitration. Given your skill in publicizing Conservapedia, I was hoping that we could write and publicize a rebuttal to the film once it becomes publicly available. (I think something like [http://www.hotcoffeetruth.com/ this] would be what we're after.)
Many thanks,
[[User:GregG|GregG]] 22:52, 2 October 2014 (EDT)
:Greg, your contributions to the Constitution lectures are superb! Thank you.
:I'd be very interested in seeing and reviewing a film against arbitration. I would not think the issue lends itself well to the silver screen.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 09:47, 3 October 2014 (EDT)
== Latin, Hebrew, etc. ==
Thanks for your response and suggestion on the questions page. Unfortunately, I don't exactly know how to "copy from elsewhere". Do you mean "elsewhere on Conservapedia"? Please answer on my [[User_talk:Dataclarifier|Talk page]]. Thanks. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] 12:39, 3 October 2014 (EDT)
== Copyright and patent clause ==
Dear Mr. Schlafly,
I saw that you [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=American_Government_and_the_Constitution_Lecture_Two&curid=132247&diff=1109607&oldid=1106752 corrected] the citation for the copyright and patent clause in Lecture Two; however, you neglected to change the clause number in the succeeding explanation. Thanks, [[User:GregG|GregG]] 19:36, 5 October 2014 (EDT)
:Great catch! Corrected the error.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 00:12, 6 October 2014 (EDT)
== Please unprotect [[Quote mining]] ==
Dear Mr. Schlafly,
Could you please unprotect [[Quote mining]]? My arbitration research found an example of Peter Rutledge being quoted out of context by liberals; his rebuttal is found [http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/121713QFRs-Rutledge.PDF here]. Thanks, [[User:GregG|GregG]] 19:23, 31 October 2014 (EDT)
:GregG, add the example to [[Quoting out of context]]. Problem solved. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:06, 31 October 2014 (EDT)
==Hello==
I was wondering if you could tell me if there is some kind of time restriction on editing. I work shifts, and this month I'll be up overnight. I was wondering if I could get access to edit throughout the night. Thanks for your help [[User:DevilDog|DevilDog]] 00:21, 16 December 2014 (EST)
== Question about picture uploading rights ==
Can picture uploading rights be given without making someone an Admin/Sysop? Can MediaWki do this? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:41, 18 December 2014 (EST)
:Yes.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:48, 18 December 2014 (EST)
== Holy Ghost ==
Andy, I just had hoped that you had stopped applying your unique idea of translating to the Bible, but you seem to be relentless. In the Gospel of Luke, you are using now "Holy Ghost", "Holy Spirit", "Divine Force", "Spirit of God", "Divine Guidance", "Force of God" for the Greek πνεῦμα - and it is not always clear for the reader of the "translation" which of these phrases refer to the same entity. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 09:40, 21 December 2014 (EST)
Any ideas? I tried to create some much-need unity at [[Luke_1-8_(Translated)]]. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 12:39, 16 February 2015 (EST)
== Relativity ==
*At "[[Conservapedia:Community_Portal#two millionth page view for the "Counterexamples to Relativity" page]]", did you really accept the mass-energy-equivalence? Perhaps you should clarify your thoughts: [[amu]] is a unit of mass, not energy :-)
*A couple of months ago, I've posed [[Talk:E=mc²#A few questions for Aschlafly regarding the experiment of Cockcroft and Walton|A few questions for Aschlafly regarding the experiment of Cockcroft and Walton]]. It would be a nice Christmas gift to get well-thought-out answers to those :-)
*You should address [[Talk:Theory_of_relativity#READ_THE_MANUAL]]
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 09:52, 21 December 2014 (EST)
:I have responded at: [[Conservapedia:Community_Portal#Two_millionth_page_view_for_the_.22Counterexamples_to_Relativity.22_page]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:35, 21 December 2014 (EST)
::Your response was:
:::"''You rely on primitive technology used in an 82-year-old experiment. The technology is far better now, and the claim of mass-energy equivalence cannot be verified.''"
::We don't discard Foucault pendulum because it is 150 years old and was performed using a piece of string and a piece of lead. No, it is repeated over and over again. Same is true for Cockcroft and Walton: this experiment is performed routinely in courses on modern physics, using modern technology. But if you wish for some state-of-the-art experiment, take a look at [http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/n7071/abs/4381096a.html World Year of Physics: A direct test of E=mc²]...
::And you didn't respond to the second or the thrid point. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:19, 22 December 2014 (EST)
:::But neither Cockcroft, Walton, nor the Noble committee claimed that the experiment demonstrated anything about E=mc<sup>2</sup>. And the citation to ''Nature'' magazine for a supposed physics breakthrough? Please. ''Nature'' is not a top-tier physics journal. It's popularized science, which is all that the silly E=mc<sup>2</sup> formula is.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 09:23, 22 December 2014 (EST)
::::That's just hand-waving! Please answer the question at [[Talk:E=mc²#A few questions for Aschlafly regarding the experiment of Cockcroft and Walton|A few questions for Aschlafly regarding the experiment of Cockcroft and Walton]] - I think they are educational, and will help everybody's understanding of the subject.
::::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:40, 28 December 2014 (EST)
I removed the blatantly false statement ''The claims of mass-energy equivalence have not been replicated with more advanced modern technology. '' Before you edit the article on [[Cockcroft and Walton Experiment]] again, you should show your knowledge by answering [[Talk:E=mc²#A few questions for Aschlafly regarding the experiment of Cockcroft and Walton|A few questions for Aschlafly regarding the experiment of Cockcroft and Walton]]! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:39, 7 January 2015 (EST)
== Project ==
I put this notice on several active editors talk pages:
Would you like to collaborate with other editors on a wiki project to help Conservapedia be a strong resource for a given topic.
The topic could be decided by the editors participating.
If you are interested, please go to: [http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Community_Portal#A_project_for_active_editors_to_collaborate_on The collaborative project]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:58, 25 December 2014 (EST)
== quick note ==
A conservative website that is an Alexa USA top 70,000 is looking for content and so they are featuring some of Conservapedia's most popular articles as far as the first 300 words and then they are providing a link to the Conservapedia article. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:13, 29 December 2014 (EST)
== ban ==
Hello Mr. Aschlafly, I would like to discuss my ban (6ebeast), specifically why I was banned. ([[User:WashingtonLincoln|WashingtonLincoln]] 18:58, 31 December 2014 (EST))
==Ayurvedic medicine==
You know me as conservative on social or fiscal issues, but my conservatism reaches its zenith on medicine. I am very dedicated to Western medicine, and run away from "new age" or other fringe medicine approaches. Andy, you have to draw a line here on whether Conservapedia has the expertise and resources to cover Ayurvedic medicine properly. I doubt that we do and should stay away from it completely. Please decide and tell [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] you decision. Many thanks for all that you do for the Conservative movement. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 21:42, 2 January 2015 (EST)
:[[:Category:Ayurvedic Medicine]] is like an advert for alternative medicine: it has 110 subcategories and is itself in 26 categories:
::[[:Category:Ayurvedic Medicine]]|[[:Category:Tibetan Medicine]]|[[:Category:Complementary Medicine]]|[[:Category:Medicine]]|[[:Category:Health Care]]|[[:Category:Traditional Chinese Medicine]]|[[:Category:Naturopathic Medicine]]|[[:Category:Herbalism]]|[[:Category:Medicinal Plants]]|[[:Category:Herbs]]|[[:Category:Spices]]|[[:Category:Plants used in Traditional Chinese Medicine]]|[[:Category:Plants used in Ayurvedic Medicine]]|[[:Category:Plants used in Western Herbal Medicine]]|[[:Category:Herbalists]]|[[:Category:Health]]|[[:Category:Survivalism]]|[[:Category:India]]|[[:Category:Tibet]]|[[:Category:Nepal]]|[[:Category:Mongolia]]|[[:Category:Burma]]|[[:Category:Thailand]]|[[:Category:Sri Lanka]]|[[:Category:Asia]]|[[:Category:Southeast Asia]]|
:That could be a kind of record! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:04, 3 January 2015 (EST)
===Response to [[User:Wschact]] and [[User:AugustO]] Regarding Ayurvedic - Chinese - Western Herbal Medicine on Conservapedia ===
:: Happy New Year [[User:Aschlafly]], [[User:Wschact]], [[User:AugustO]], [[User:Conservapedia]], and [[User:Karajou]]
Thank you for your patience with this detailed point-by-point response.
Like you [[User:Wschact]], I too am a steadfast conservative, but on much more than just social and fiscal issues, as my thousands of conservative point-of-view Conservapedia edits can attest to (Please see my [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] for more information). Also like you [[User:Wschact]], I too am very dedicated to Western medicine and work together with a medical doctor with a busy private practice office in a large hospital setting where he and I integrate both modern pharmaceutical based treatment and the use of custom made Ayurvedic-Chinese-Western herbal formulas, nutrition (based on Ayurvedic and Chinese medicine concepts) and acupuncture. He supervises my practice in that setting. Like you [[User:Wschact]], both he and I also run away from the myriad "new age" medicine approaches. However, Ayurvedic medicine, Chinese medicine - Acupuncture and Western herbal medicine are not "new age". Ayurveda and Chinese medicine - Acupuncture have been in continuous use since at least 250 B.C. according to archaeological evidence and extant classic medical texts in both Chinese characters, Tibetan and Sanskrit (which I can read by the way in Devanagari script).
Conservapedia does indeed have the expertise and resources to cover Ayurvedic medicine and Chinese medicine - acupuncture properly since I am contributing as a dedicated regular editor and have joined the [[Wikiproject:Medicine]] to lend my ongoing support editing/categorizing ALL articles in the realm of medicine / anatomy in addition to my other subject matter expertise areas on my User Page / Talk Page.
[[User:PhilH]] has said there is no clinical evidence to support complementary medicine. Not according to the U.S. National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine of the National Institutes of Health who funds clinical trials on herbal medicines effectiveness, not according to medical doctors in America who integrate modern medicine with complementary medicine, not according to numerous conservatives who rely on complementary medicine including Western herbalism, Chinese Medicine, Ayurveda and Acupuncture. Just the fact that there is licensing for acupuncture in most of the U.S. states (majority of states require the licensing examination or certification, and several states allow oriental medicine practitioners to be "primary care providers" for legal and insurance purposes; nineteen states specifically include Chinese herbology instead of just acupuncture). For naturopathic medicine 17 states, five Canadian provinces, the District of Columbia, and the US territories of Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands all have laws regulating naturopathic doctors (See map http://aanmc.org/images/LicensureMapBig.jpg -- even very conservative states such as my home state of Idaho in the [[American Redoubt]], along with Montana and Utah license naturopathy).
All of this attests to complementary medicine's broader acceptance, not to mention the size of the herbal market in the U.S. economy: For herbal medicine "overall sales reached $5.6 billion in 2012" "rising from $4.2 billion in 2000" (http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Markets/Herbal-supplement-sales-rose-5.5-in-US-in-2012-ABC-says)
There are many conservatives blogs and forums that I follow that have regular articles on complementary medicine and herb usage. Complementary/alternative medicine is not some liberal, hippie or New Age thing. It is even paid for by many insurance companies now. There is worker's comp coverage for it in certain U.S. states.
Regarding evidence in my articles, I will indeed be submitting footnoted hyperlinked clinical evidence from MedLine / PubMed.
Regarding the [[:Category:Ayurvedic Medicine]] having lots of sub-categories: There are many sub-categories in the Ayurvedic medicine category since it is a broad science including many diverse health and disease topics and since I am a very detail oriented person as you can see with my contributions for the firearms categorizations (which formerly were all lumped into just the Category of "Guns"). I am using that [[:Category:Ayurvedic Medicine]] and its temporarily numerous subcategories as a way of '''temporarily''' getting a broad view and tracking ability of ALL of the medicine-anatomy categories and articles in order to update them all over the coming months. I promise that I will pare that category down in the next 60 days to something smaller once I have updated-edited-expanded '''ALL''' of the medicine/anatomy related articles to follow a consistent yet detailed categorization scheme. I always start first with detailed Wiki categories in order to flesh out the scope-breadth-depth and a logical structure for the articles I will submit. I am doing the same detailed categorization for Firearms and other areas.
[[User:Conservative]] has been "mentoring" me as to what I should and shouldn't post. I have been following this for guidance as well: [[Conservapedia:Editorial_authority]]. I also received advice from [[User:Karajou]] on Sat, 26 Apr 2014 23:15:17 by e-mail (conservapedia AT zoho.com) who said, "Try your hand at writing complete articles. Conservapedia is not just something containing conservative thought; it is also intended to be a family encyclopedia, so it has to have info on planes, trains, automobiles, animals, sports teams, camera systems, or whatever else comes to mind. So, if you happen to be an expert on - say, rowboats - write an article on rowboats. Karajou".
Thus, following Karajou's advice above and oversight from [[User:Conservative]], I am writing "whatever comes to mind" on what I "happen to be an expert on". Thus, I have be developing a lot of detailed articles and their categorizations for my 6 areas of specialization (in order of my depth of subject matter expertise): 1. Medicine, 2. Computer networks (17 years professional experience), 3. [[Preparedness]]-Survivalism, 4. [[Firearm]]s, 5. [[Permaculture]] [[gardening]], 6. [[Radio communication technologies]] - [[Amateur radio]]. Being a staunch American conservative libertarian "prepper" [[gun enthusiast|"gun nut"]], I obviously write/edit from that perspective.
For these and many other reasons, I don't see a reason for Conservapedia to stay away from complementary medicine completely as you suggest [[User:Wschact]]. Thus, I will continue to contribute such works to Conservapedia until I am told to stop by any of the CP Administrators such as [[User:Aschlafly]], [[User:Conservative]], or user [[User:Karajou]].
Thank you to you all for your work for our Conservative movement. Godspeed. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 06:57, 3 January 2015 (EST)
:Technical hint: If you read ''edit conflict'', by going on without checking for it you will delete someone else's comment. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:02, 3 January 2015 (EST)
'''Andy, we await your guidance on this important issue.''' Many thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 00:22, 4 January 2015 (EST)
::The National Institute of Health website has two introductory articles on this topic [http://nccam.nih.gov/health/ayurveda/introduction.htm HERE] and [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2996577/ HERE].
::No matter what health treatment you choose for an ailment, it is best to take a caveat emptor (Let the buyer beware) approach and do your due diligence. There are plenty of quacks/frauds/incompetents in all branches of medicine/health care (My doctor called out another doctor for his fraudulent study in front of other doctors and this ruffled some feathers. Fraud is rampant in medicine). You have to weigh the benefits/costs of any treatment/provider and an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
::Robert Louis Stevenson's ''Treasure Island'' character Long John Silver said, "Doctors is all swabs...". :) Medicine is still a science/art. That is why they say doctors practice medicine. :)[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:21, 4 January 2015 (EST)
The [[History of science|history of science]] shows many examples where the medical science community consensus was in error, was scientifically unsound, or had little or no empirical basis. For example, [[bloodletting]] was practiced from antiquity and still had many practitioners up until the late 1800s.[http://www.bcmj.org/premise/history-bloodletting] In his essay, ''A Paradigm Shift: Are We Ready?'' , Niranjan Kissoon, M.D. wrote: "...history is rife with examples in which our best medical judgment was flawed. The prestigious'' British Medical Journal'' begun in 1828 chose the name'' Lancet'' to signal its scholarly intent and cutting edge therapy."(''A Paradigm Shift: Are We Ready?'' , Niranjan Kissoon, M.D.).
In a 1991 [[BMJ]] (formerly called the British Medical Journal) article, Richard Smith (editor of BMJ at the time) wrote: "There are 30,000 biomedical journals in the world...Yet only about 15% of medical interventions are supported by solid scientific evidence, [[David Eddy]] professor of health policy and management at [[Duke University]], told a conference in Manchester last week. This is partly because only 1% of the articles in medical journals are scientifically sound and partly because many treatments have never been assessed at all."[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=1932964&query_hl=6&itool=pubmed_docsum] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:39, 4 January 2015 (EST)
:Out of curiosity, I did a bit of research on the life expectancies of the populations USA, China and Japan. I am guessing in China that traditional Chinese medicine is used a lot based on past conversations with my Chinese friends, but they also use Western medicine too. A National Institute Health (NIH) article by Nobutaka Suzuki indicates: "The situation in Japan should be of much interest, since Japan is unique as a country in which highly advanced modern Western medicine coexists with traditional Asian medicine."[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC516460/]
:The life expectancy of the USA is about 78 years. The life expectancy in China is not much different and is about 75 years. The Japanese are more health conscious than both China/USA and their life expectancy is about 83 years (Preventative medicine is still by far the best medicine. Too many Western doctors are overweight and provide a poor example to their patients). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:19, 4 January 2015 (EST)
Our mutual goal is for everyone to live a healthy and happy life. Our CP community is working toward that goal by providing reliable information to people in the form of an on-line encyclopedia. Every family faces health challenges, and when someone in my family needs health care, we turn to Western medicine. I do not provide medical advice, but with several doctors and RNs in my extended family, there is no shortage of Western medicine expertise in my family. With that background, I wish to respond to the above points. I agree that Western medicine has its deficiencies, doctors can misdiagnose patients, and cures are not guaranteed. However, there are serious issues with Ayurvedic medicine and much of it has not been proven by controlled clinical trials.
A dedicated group of volunteers have written articles and a hierarchy of categories at a level suitable for a homeschooled high school student on a wide variety of subjects. Some scientific subjects may be tangentially related to Ayurvedic medicine. Putting a "see also" or Ayurvedic medicine category reference on all such tangential articles puts CP in the position of promoting Ayurvedic medicine over western medicine. CP would never add "See also Anacin" to the article on [[headache]] because we don't do advertising here, and most CP editors do not have the expertise to recommend Anacin over other headache cures. Wikipedia has the following legal disclaimer:
:"WIKIPEDIA DOES NOT GIVE MEDICAL ADVICE
:"Wikipedia contains articles on many medical topics; however, no warranty is made that any of the articles are accurate. There is absolutely no assurance that any statement contained or cited in an article touching on medical matters is true, correct, precise, or up-to-date. The overwhelming majority of such articles are written, in part or in whole, by nonprofessionals. Even if a statement made about medicine is accurate, it may not apply to you or your symptoms.
:"The medical information provided on Wikipedia is, at best, of a general nature and cannot substitute for the advice of a medical professional (for instance, a qualified doctor/physician, nurse, pharmacist/chemist, and so on). Wikipedia is not a doctor."<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Medical_disclaimer</ref> Wikipedia also has special rules as to what sources can be used in a medical article there.
We should not give undue weight to Ayurvedic medicine on CP. I can understand having a half dozen articles on the subject which contain objective descriptions of the theory and treatment approaches, but homeschooled students should be able to read an article about a human body part without being steered toward Ayurvedic medicine over Western medicine. I think that the Mayo Clinic is one of the best hospitals in America, but I should not be allowed to add "See also Mayo Clinic" to every article about a disease.
What is the cost or risk of promoting Ayurvedic medicine on CP? Well, if a user follows our advice and uses an Ayurvedic medicine treatment instead of a Western treatment, there is the potential of tort liability. As a secondary matter, if CP comes across as a Ayurvedic medicine spam site, we will lose readers and credibility as an encyclopedia. Finally, if the Ayurvedic medicine articles are copy and pasted from copyrighted websites, there is copyright liability.
I don't have the time or expertise to supervise the expansion of CP into the realm of Ayurvedic medicine and I question whether [[User:Aschlafly]] or [[User:Conservative]] have the time or expertise either. There is so much that we can do as the best of the public to serve our readers in our current scope that I recommend that we retain our current focus. But I understand that this is a big decision that is above my pay grade and I await Andy's decision. Many thanks! [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 04:13, 4 January 2015 (EST)
:My two cents and then I will bow out of the conversation: When it come to health care choices, the three most important criteria are efficacy (cure rate, time to cure, etc.), toxicity/side effects and price. Because of this, there is often no one size fits all in terms of treatment. Why? Because some people are bigger risk takers and will push the efficacy envelope despite increased risks (for example, Excedrin is stronger and works faster than Tylenol but it also has more side effects). Also, some people cannot afford the very best treatments but wealthy people can go to the very best in their specialty and even travel to do so. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:58, 4 January 2015 (EST)
::Thank you for the reply. Please clarify whether you are willing to mentor [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] and check that he does an objective job adding Ayurvedic medicine to articles without copy and pasting from other websites. Many thanks. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 09:27, 4 January 2015 (EST)
::: I truly appreciate both of your thoughtful and detailed replies to [[User_talk:Aschlafly#Response_to_User:Wschact_and_User:AugustO_Regarding_Ayurvedic_-_Chinese_-_Western_Herbal_Medicine_on_Conservapedia]].
:::[[User:Wschact]], don't worry, I promise you I will not make the CPP site a big advertisement for Ayurvedic and Chinese medicine. Regarding your Tort law concerns, that is why I created [[Template:Medical_Notice]]. Regarding the number of proposed articles on Ayurvedic herbs, it is because many of them are also commonly used in Western herbology so are quite familiar to Westerners such as [[turmeric]], [[ginger]], [[cardamom]], [[garlic]], [[cloves]], [[cinnamon]], etc.
:::Speaking of the Mayo Clinic that you mentioned, that renowned and respected clinic has found in their research, according to my M.D. colleague I work with, that taking a particular daily 3x dosage of [[turmeric]] is as effective as the leading anti-arthritic pharmaceutical in treating certain types of [[arthritis]], yet without any [[side effect]]s. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 13:21, 4 January 2015 (EST)
Dear Andy: We are still awaiting your judgment on Conservapedia's approach to alternative medicine in general and Ayurvedic medicine in particular. We also need your views on {{tl|Medical Notice}}. Many thanks! [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 13:08, 8 January 2015 (EST)
== User:Conservative's sock(s) ==
I understand that some administrators have various accounts for obvious reasons (e.g., [[User:Joaquín Martínez]] and his dummy [[User:JMR10]]), and I'm fine with it - it is for the sake of the project.
But [[User:Conservative]] created a sock-puppet account [[User:Historybuff]] without being honest about it: its whole ''raison d'être'' was to appear as an independent agent in a discussion at [[Talk:Conservapedia proven wrong]] and to agree with [[User:Conservative]]'s position (see http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Conservapedia_proven_wrong&oldid=1096931 ).
You don't have to trust how I reasoned three months later that [[User:Historybuff]] was indeed a sock of [[User:Conservative]] (see [[Talk:Main_Page#.C3.80_propos_resolutions_and_announcements]]) - I request that you use checkuser to verify this accusation.
I'm disappointed that an administrator uses sock(s) to deceive fellow editors, and I think that [[User:Conservative]]'s behavior while discussing this sordid affair is even worse: while the [[Conservapedia:Guidelines]] clearly state that ''Conservapedia does not allow "sockpuppet" accounts or unaccountable anonymous proxy use.'', he claims that his actions are covered by a remark at [[Conservapedia:Sockpuppet]] (''Some Administrators may use Sockpuppets occasionally or Single Purpose Accounts. ''). This remark was introduced to the article by a now disgraced editor ([[User:RobSmith]]) without any discussion - and I doubt that even he meant to cover the use of socks in such a misleading way...
I'd ask you to make it clear that you don't approve the use of sock puppets - even for administrators - if these sockpuppets are there to pretend to be other, independent persons.
'''I really appreciate an answer of you on this topic''' --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:57, 3 January 2015 (EST)
:AugustO, you offered up a dead link as evidence of something. Before you engage in wiki lawyering, first get your ducks in a row!
:A conservative wiki doesn't operate on mob rule/groupthink/consensus. This wiki is not Wikipedia. Why would the User: Conservative account feel a need to get someone to publicly agree with a position? Liberals are fond of the bandwagon fallacy, not conservatives! And if the User: Conservative account consists of more than one editor, then why would the User: Conservative account need to show another person agreeing about a matter?
:AugustO, the edit made through the historybuff account clearly rattled you in some way. It's time to compose yourself. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:54, 3 January 2015 (EST)
::Sigh. I linked to a now deleted revision. Andy and you both are able to retrieve the content. Here, for your convenience, the contributions of [[User:Historybuff]] to the page [[Talk:Conservapedia proven wrong]]:
::{|class="wikitable"
|'''October 26, 2012'''
The [http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2013/10/mit-technology-review-decline-of.html October 26, 2014 event] was described as a clandestine event by a creationist blog and subsequently reported by Conservapedia as a news event.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Mainpageright&diff=1068741&oldid=1068732] Why would we expect the mainstream news media and other media outlets to report on a clandestine event? Historians don't use the absence of evidence as evidence of absence in terms of events occurring or not occurring in history and AugustO is practicing bad historiography.
Most of the population growth in the world today is happening in the developed world and a large percentage of these people [[Desecularization|are from creationist families]] and grow up to be creationists. October 26, 2012 was a terrible day for Darwinism as is today. Darwinists can hide from this trend, but they cannot hide! [[User:Historybuff|Historybuff]]
|-
|'''re: book'''
When asking a historical question to frame a historical investigation, a historian [http://amorebeautifulquestion.com/historians-view-of-questioning/ must be both explicit and precise]. The word "soon" is not explicit and precise. The meaning of "soon" varies depending on a person's culture and personal disposition.
Therefore, as far as this 2013 announcement made on another website which Conservapedia reported on, AugustO's accusation cannot be sustained. [[User:Historybuff|Historybuff]] 17:04, 2 August 2014 (EDT)
|}
::Your sock [[User:Historybuff]] gave the impression of an independent commentator who was just in total agreement with you, thereby supporting your position - something worse than a [[claqueur]]. Do you deny that such an action is dishonest?
::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:33, 3 January 2015 (EST)
:::Does the User: Conservative account merely consist of one editor? Did User: Karajou tell you that the User: Conservative consist of merely one editor (Something I highly doubt since he was privately told that the User: Conservative account consists of more than one editor). How long will you continue this Pickett's Charge? You remind me of the WWII German evolutionists who kept fighting after America entered the war (The creationist Dwight D. Eisenhower certainly outfoxed the German evolutionists! [http://www.icr.org/article/presidential-support-for-creationism/]).
:::By the way, why is what the historybuff account posted to you so upsetting to you? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:43, 3 January 2015 (EST)
::::*Here, I'm talking about your ''socks'', not about your version of a split personality.
::::*The content of [[User:Historybuff]]'s edits isn't upsetting - the fact that you saw the need to hide behind a dummy to make these points is disturbing. (That you don't see that this tactic is dishonest even more so.)
::::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:54, 3 January 2015 (EST)
AugustO, do you believe that one person largely wrote the [[homosexuality]] and the [[Atheist actions against homosexuals]] article (the title of the article was originally Atheist persecution against homosexuals" if memory serves, but one editor within "User: Conservativedom" objected to this title) and that one person wrote both articles. The article [[Atheist actions against homosexuals]] was a shock to those obsessed with the User: Conservative account and the footnoting style is different than the [[homosexuality]] article as well. What are your thoughts on this matter?
AugustO, it appears to irritate you to no end that you cannot prove that historybuff was an editor who also edited using the User: Conservative account. Stealthy American creationists no doubt irritated German evolutionists when American creationists landed on the beaches of Normandy!
微乎微乎，至于无形；神乎神乎，至于无声；故能为敌之司命。 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:07, 3 January 2015 (EST)
: come on ken we all know it's you. stop this silly game. with love, --[[User:TimothyT1|TimothyT1]] 18:14, 3 January 2015 (EST)
::Solve [[Atheist actions against homosexuals|the mystery]]!! Much to his dismay, AugustO certainly cannot!! Clearly, the term [[Atheist actions against homosexuals|"LGBTQ community"]] lacks machismo! Does it not? :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:28, 3 January 2015 (EST)
:::By the way AugustO, if German evolutionists are so adamantly opposed to stealth, then why did you guys use so many U-boats in WWII? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:20, 3 January 2015 (EST)
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==The Liberals smear campaign Won -- I now retire from editing Conservapedia==
I must say that the liberal smear campaign and relentless edits/deletions from 5 very loud CP liberal trolls / RINOs (besides the vociferous [[User:Wschact]], you know who you are and will be happy to know you have won) has been no fun. I am sad to say, it is much worse edit wars and liberal reverts than ''anything'' I contributed over the years to Wikipedia. Sorry [[User:Aschlafly]], [[User:Conservative]], [[User:Karajou]] and [[User:Jpatt]], but I have lost the enthusiasm to continue contributing to CP in the face of this much liberal opposition. Thank you 4 for what you do for the conservative movement. I strongly suspect that the frequent sock puppet hacker-vandalist accounts were [[User:Wschact]] or one his friends using a VPN since all the vandals edits were directed to things he was revert warring with me over. God bless. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 02:26, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Dear Karajou, feel free to contact me on my e-mail if you wish. You were the one who encouraged me to contribute articles:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Community_Portal#Response_to_User:SamHB.2C_User:PhilH_and_User:AugustO_Regarding_Ayurvedic_-_Chinese_-_Western_Herbal_Medicine_on_Conservapedia
"I also received advice from User:Karajou on Sat, 26 Apr 2014 23:15:17 by e-mail (conservapedia AT zoho.com) who said, "Try your hand at writing complete articles. Conservapedia is not just something containing conservative thought; it is also intended to be a family encyclopedia, so it has to have info on planes, trains, automobiles, animals, sports teams, camera systems, or whatever else comes to mind. So, if you happen to be an expert on - say, rowboats - write an article on rowboats. Karajou". Thus, following Karajou's advice above and oversight from User:Conservative, I am writing "whatever comes to mind" on what I "happen to be an expert on". Thus, I have be developing a lot of detailed articles and their categorizations for my 6 areas of specialization (in order of my depth of subject matter expertise): 1. Medicine, 2. Computer networks (17 years professional experience), 3. Preparedness-Survivalism, 4. Firearms, 5. Permaculture gardening, 6. Radio communication technologies - Amateur radio. Being a staunch American conservative libertarian "prepper" "[[gun enthusiast|gun nut]]", I obviously write/edit from that perspective."
Sadly, I no longer have the enthusiasm to contribute in the face of such ''''strong'''' opposition from 5 very vociferous liberal/RINO editors. It's more of an uphill battle than it was on Wikipedia, I am very disappointed to say. Godspeed in all you do. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 02:26, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:Andy, congratulations, you solved another problem by just ignoring it ([http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&diff=1129051&oldid=1129047 quite actively]). The drawback of your approach to management:
:*If [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] was a parodist - as I believe - then Conservapedia is burdened with hundreds of potentially toxic edits (like [[transformer]]), and a totally messed up system of categories.
:*If he was a honest editor - [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATheAmericanRedoubt&action=historysubmit&diff=1130520&oldid=1130517 as [[User:Conservative]] think(s)] - you did him a disservice, and his complaints are justified.
:It is just a lose-lose-situation. Perhaps you could learn from this episode and answer my question above about [[#User:Conservative's sock(s)]]? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 11:17, 9 January 2015 (EST)
Stonewalling opponents!!! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:43, 9 January 2015 (EST)
::Have we reached the point where an effort to enforce our rules about copy and paste and the Style Manual gets reduced to name calling questioning [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Community_Portal&diff=1129896&oldid=1129895 whether someone is an "American"] or a "RINO" or a "liberal" or a "parodist"? Everyone gave him polite and reasonable advice but TAR would not listen. I think TAR's retirement message was a direct response to [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia%3ADesk%2FMiscellany&action=historysubmit&diff=1130492&oldid=1109475 this important copyright concern] and I left a response on his talk page. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 12:00, 9 January 2015 (EST)
==User:Wschact's Stubborn Hounding: 72% of his edits over a period of 24 days are about my work out of 179 edits, 129 concern my edits ==
Between December 16 and January 8, out of 179 edits made by Wschact, 129 concern either Wschact rapidly changing my edits soon after I complete them / reverting them or complaining to the Community/Admins about my contributions. That is to say, 72% of his edits over a period of 24 days are about my work. That is a good example of being tenaciously hounded by strong opposition. Source: http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Wschact
I didn't really want to put this part about Wschact on CP Talk pages or Community Portal since I don't want to further alienate him from me or make him more dogged in his pursuit of editing/patrolling/trolling my contributions. But his recent remarks to my "Retirement" posting, made me decide to mention these 72% statistics and to come out of "retirement". [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 19:42, 9 January 2015 (EST)
===Inspired by Karajou and User:Conservative to Not Retire due to User:Wschact' Dogged Hounding===
Dear Admins Karajou and Conservative
My biggest concern, that finally '''temporarily''' "took the wind out of my sails" and prompted me to '''temporarily''' retire as a contributor, is Wschact, who makes my Conservapedia contributions the subject of 72% of his edits over a 24 day period, as I will show below.
My biggest concern isn't SamHB who explained himself well here:http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:SamHB#.22Troll.22_Editing_by_User:SamHB_of_Numerous_articles_I_am_Working_on_.2F_Editing_.2F_Contributing, saying that "I promised that I would revert your things only once, and I mean it."
Nor is my concern AlanE's presumptuously slanderous race baiting comment here:
I first said to AlanE: "Please better to stop the "Revert War" (unless it is by an American CP administrator) and instead make comments and suggestions on this talk page for editing the material. "Free state" is a big topic in the American Conservative, Libertarian and Christian circles. The old meaning of Antebellum south is rarely used except among historians. I would be willing to move some of it to an essay, however, the majority of it matches conservative values. Please discuss in a civil way without using words like hideous, offensive, etc like User:SamHB used for the previous revert." TheAmericanRedoubt 02:57, 17 December 2014 (EST)
Alan rudely Ad hominem responded to me:
"Excuse the following...but I am cross, and Sam is I know to be a reasonable and intelligent man - and a friend.... Obviously I can't win against someone who probably sits at his computer for hours on end with an assault rifle beside him with one eye out the window just hoping that some one who is black or jewish or liberal will put a foot onto his property so that he can shoot them. What larks!! (Pip old chap)). I won't go on because I see you are like those I occasionally met in the old days in Outback pubs who felt naked without their firearms and were usually relieved of their ammunition before the publican would serve them a beer. Cheers mate." AlanE 04:06, 17 December 2014 (EST)" Source: http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Free_state
I decided to simply ignore AlanE since that was the last I heard of him.
What finally '''temporarily''' took the remaining "wind out of my sails" is Wschact’s almost month-long dogged efforts:
I assert that between December 16 and January 8, out of 179 edits made by Wschact, 129 concern either Wschact rapidly changing my edits soon after I complete them / reverting them or complaining to the Community/Admins about my contributions. That is to say, 72% of his edits over a period of 24 days are about my work. That is a good example of being tenaciously hounded by strong opposition. Source: http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Wschact
Here http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Desk/Miscellany#Interpretation_of_copyright_policy
Wschact doesn't even know the difference between 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge/ammunition and a "7.62x51mm NATO rifle" and hence wrongly insisting that the Admins move 7.62x51mm NATO to "7.62x51mm NATO rifle". And the so-called copyright issues he brings are been handled by MLA citations/references/bibliography and [[fair use]].
I made more than 1000+ small edits on CP for several months before contributing much of anything original to be sure that I got a feel for the actual format, content, categories, see also's, stubs or lack of stubs, politics, guidelines, etc. I also wanted to make sure that my edits proved to the CP admins that I am sincere and trustworthy, not a troll or parodist. Then in late November when my sabbatical began I begin much more extensive CP contributions. That was when on December 16 I can on the Wschact radar scope.
I was asked by one JoeyJ (http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:TheAmericanRedoubt&oldid=1130110#Orphaned_Pages) to deorphan pages which I then began to do. But the edits I make to de-ophan them by adding them appropriately to a See Also or a wiki link within the article were getting frequently deleted by Wschact. This happened a lot. He would keep saying I am violating the CP policy.
Over the next few months while I am taking a sabbatical from my work, I have a lot of time/energy/knowledge to contribute to CP generating new content. Alas, at the moment I am feeling too harassed by their constant rapid nit-picking and having to 10/90 Talk Page explain my every step versus doing 90/10 actual article work. I've never experienced this before in an online Wiki or forum community, I am sad to say. Even on Wikipedia, I would get at least a few days to a week to perfect a short article or a contribution to one before the liberal vultures would swoop in to eat it up (if they did even). Because CP is a much smaller community of editors, they give me no time to improve upon my work before they come in and revert/delete. It's truly demoralizing/intimidating for a new editor. I don't know what else to say. I feel CP is an amazing voice for our American conservative movement, but I didn't know it would have so many fast-moving critics/deleters/reverters against anything I contribute in the realm of firearms or survivalism/preparedness articles. Yet they were against much on complementary medicine and amateur radio as well.
It's funny, the ONLY contributions of mine that the liberal/RINO editors didn't touch were the Buddhist articles. I think that is because most liberals like Buddhism. Although Catholic, I formally studied comparative religions and CP's Buddhist and Hindu articles are very slim at the moment, so I have much to add there as well. But again, at the moment, I am becoming "gun shy" with their liberal/RINO sights all aimed at me now, especially on http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Community_Portal.
[[Persistence]] is a virtue, as Calvin Coolidge said:
:"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence.
:Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
:Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
:Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.
:The slogan Press On! has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."
Thank you for listening. Any advice or encouragement would be appreciated.
[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 19:42, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:Dear Andy: If TAR is saying that he is making a disproportionate amount (72%) of the problem edits that required correction, I am willing to accept his number, although I have no memory of first looking to see who was the originator of each problem. The problem is that we have someone who does not understand CP style and policy seeking to add a massive amount of material that has a lot of copy and paste problems, including copy and pasting into many articles from a common set of "See also" references instead of writing new ones for each article.
:Karajou, Conservative and I have each suggested that TAR slow down and try to write complete articles instead of rushing through copy and pasted new stubs. If TAR wants to "de-orphan" an article, perhaps he should add a sentence to a related article instead of plunk a link into the "see also" section of an unrelated article. I would also suggest watching how TAR pipes his links. A pipe should direct the reader to the article represented by the linked phrase, not to something different.
:Finally, I would suggest that Conservapedia would be better served by '''cooperation''' that combines our "talents", our "genius" and our "educational" backgrounds rather than having one person show blind "persistence" in the face of cautionary comments of others. So, I don't think that TAR's Calvin Coolidge quote captures the spirit of Conservapedia. Please review the links [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Community_Portal&diff=1130583&oldid=1128180 here and decide for yourself]. Many thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 20:34, 9 January 2015 (EST)
::I think the main reason why Wschact is bent out of shape about TheAmericanRedoubt is his material on traditional/alternative medicine. I pointed out that Japan is unique as a country because highly advanced modern Western medicine coexists with traditional Asian medicine.[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC516460/] The Japanese have a life expectancy that is 5 years greater than American's life expectancy. It seems reasonable to believe that thousands of years of trial and error has caused there to be some efficacy in traditional/folk medicine. I have found that turmeric/ginger works great to prevent/mitigate post workout soreness for example. It's a cheap and safe method too. I realize that traditional/folk medicine has its problems and one has to exercise discretion, but so does Western medicine.
::At the same time, I do think it is better to create reasonable length articles one at a time then create a lot of stub articles. Readers don't really care for stub articles. That is why the major search engines don't rank stub articles highly in their search results. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:32, 10 January 2015 (EST)
:::Thanks, Cons. By the way, TAR had me go back and count my edits since Dec 16, and I edited 139 times related to mentoring TAR and 72 times unrelated to TAR, for a ratio of 65%. I would suggest some longer comprehensive articles and if TAR needs help with categories, he should feel free to just ask. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 01:12, 10 January 2015 (EST)
== Kind Advice from Conservative and Karajou and my Response - No more Survivalism-Guns-AltMed-Permaculture-HamRadio, just Indian Philosophy articles from me now==
If Wschact acts unreasonably in order to protect liberal sacred cows or acts in a petty way due to you adding conservative content that he does not like, please contact User: Karajou and/or User: JPatt. On the other hand, please be judicious about this matter. If Wschact offers useful input, please take it.
I did solve the SamHB issue for you though. Should SamHB return, I suspect he will be far less truculent due to it being pointed out that masses of people are leaving his unfree state of Massachusetts each year. Obviously, people leave a sinking unfree ship of state and not a successful freedom loving flagship state. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:20, 11 January 2015 (EST)
::By the way, don't ever get frustrated and quit. Stand your ground and if necessary call in the cavalry of Karajou and Jpatt. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:26, 11 January 2015 (EST)
:::I reopened my user talk page mailbox. However, please please contact Karajou/Jpatt first as they may be more active than me at CP in the foreseeable future. I did make some promises to people to assist them with off wiki projects so Karajou/JPatt may act more quickly for you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:36, 11 January 2015 (EST)
:: Sorry fellow Conservatives, but Wschact (and all the really vociferous "libs"/RINOS here) finally won with their bullying. Washact and the five others, but especially Washact, have tired me out, calling me a parodist, a hijacker, etc, etc. The ''''only'''' thing Wshact didn't immediately edit are my Buddhist and Indian philosophy article contributions [[:Category:Indian Philosophy]] and [[:Category:Buddhism]]. It's simply too much of an uphill battle here with these loud-mouthed five, especially wshact. It's just too demoralizing even for an energetic contributor like me. As long as he is hounding me on ''''every'''' edit and template, it's just not worth it to me.
:: I can contribute my time and high energy elsewhere for the Conservative cause, where there is a slightly longer "pérennité" (as the French say) / durability to my contributions. I am sad to say my similar veined edits actually stayed visible on Wikipedia much longer before the vultures swooped in than they did here. At least over at Wikipedia I can contribute complementary medicine/herbology material without having it immediately deleted/reverted. Numerous items I contributed at Wikipedia lasted sometimes for weeks at a time, not just a few minutes or hours before deletion/reverting. And they usually put up a top of the page Admin template flag on it first for a couple days to weeks rather than just remove/revert it instantly like weshact is doing.
:: I think I will return back to the Conservative/Preparedness Forums from which I came. From now on you will only see on CP the occasional Buddhist, Hindu, Indian philosophy article I may perhaps continue to contribute since Comparative Religions/Philosophy was one of my past formal study areas in college.
: I sent you Karajou and User:Conservative a private e-mail about it.
::Be strong. Be of good courage. God bless America. Long live the Republic.
[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 05:50, 11 January 2015 (EST)
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This template [[Template:Second Amendment topics]] and it's Backup [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt/Second Amendment topics]] is my last contribution for the Second Amendment-RKBA-Firearms-Survivalism-Prepping. It says it all. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 06:17, 11 January 2015 (EST)
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== Conservative recommended contacting you ==
Mr. Schlafly, peace be with you. '''Conservative''' recommended I request night editing rights pursuant to problem detailed briefly on this '''[[Conservapedia:Community Portal#Window of opportunity for editing seems to be closing. What's going on?|Community Portal (link).]]''' ''Thank you for all your hard work''. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] 11:10, 9 January 2015 (EST)
:Andy, Dataclarifier wants night editing rights. I think you should grant this. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:19, 9 January 2015 (EST)
== Please restore my user and talk pages ==
::''I am also sending Andy private email about this.''
Cons had absolutely no authority to delete them. People say they are going to be inactive all the time. (In fact, TAR did so just a few days ago.) My understanding is that user and talk pages are only deleted when a user has been inactive for a long period of time. In fact, I got into an argument with JoeyJ on that point a few months ago. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 16:17, 10 January 2015 (EST)
:[[User:Conservative]]'s actions are very troubling. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 17:52, 10 January 2015 (EST)
::SamHB, if you hadn't been rude to TAR and rather chose to engage in constructive dialogue with him, I wouldn't have deleted your user page and talk page. I felt you were a stuffed shirt who was acting unreasonably and you deserved a comeuppance. And the state which you were defending via illegitimate means (namely argument by outrage/"I'm offended") is nothing to write home about and that is why masses of people are leaving your state each year.
::Nevertheless, people do change their mind about editing Conservapedia so I decided to restore your user page and talk page upon further deliberation and not delete it, but instead give you the 3-4 year time of user inactivity (which Mr. Schlafly indicated was a reasonable before user page deletion in my discussion with him). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:13, 11 January 2015 (EST)
== Three actions requested==
Andy, I am respectfully requesting the following relief:
1) <s>That my IP address be unblocked</s> [done]
2) That [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]]'s (TAR) blocking rights be removed
3) That you impose reasonable editing restrictions on TAR's future editing
[[User:Conservative]] (Cons) and I have been trying to mentor TAR, who has established a very expansive goals for himself and he has expressed that he feels pressured and under stress to accomplish a great amount in a short time frame. This was triggered by a misunderstanding of the scope of Conservapedia categories (e.g., he thinks that each US Constitutional Amendment should have a separate category) and by criticism about his creating so many new red links to non-existent articles. Cons, I and others urged him to write longer articles rather than copy and pasting single sentence articles.
At first, TAR was responsive and promised to change and to correct past errors, but he did not.
TAR also has a strange sense of "ownership". He creates articles with an edit summary of "rough draft" and complains if anyone else make changes to his articles, even to fix technical problems. He created new categories and made them subcategories of themselves or of their own subcategories. He created long category pages like [[:Category:Pro Second Amendment]] and then populated it with 29 subcategories and 164 articles. He would add the category to articles in cases where there was nothing in the article discussing attitudes toward the Second Amendment. I find that such labeling to be sloppy and a detriment to the usability of Conservapedia.
A number of editors either repaired his mistakes or posted contemporaneous talk page comments. We tried to avoid getting into revert wars with him. Looking through the article histories, some other editors did come along and repeated some of my edits after TAR reverted them, but I was not aware of this at the time.
All of this made TAR frustrated and he announced that he was leaving Conservapedia, denouncing "liberal/RINO" editors. A number of editors such as JoeyJ [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Computer&diff=prev&oldid=1130553 began to clean up the mess that TAR left behind.] A few hours later, TAR decide to return to editing. I started [[Template talk:Second Amendment groups]] to express concerns with POV pushing and other technical flaws in that template. Rather than following the normal chronological organization of a talk page, TAR copied over it with the template itself. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template_talk%3ASecond_Amendment_groups&action=historysubmit&diff=1130852&oldid=1130842] and then later rearrange the page to put a statement of his "ownership" and his ideas on top and burried my discussion after a transclusion of the template.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template_talk%3ASecond_Amendment_groups&action=historysubmit&diff=1130883&oldid=1130881] We did a bit of reverting back and forth until I could establish that both our views would be presented as a traditional talk page. I pointed out clear violations of Conservapedia Commandment #5.
Last night, TAR decided that another dramatic move was needed, so he posted a message on the talk page of the dozens of items he felt he "owned" (and created a new talk page when necessary) essentially making a personal attack against me as a "liberal/RINO" and stating that because of me, he would confine his future editing to [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ARawles_on_Retreats_and_Relocation&action=historysubmit&diff=1131061&oldid=1129847 "the occasional Buddhist, Hindu, Indian philosophy article I may perhaps continue to contribute"]. I was alarmed by this over-reaction and left what was intended to be a conciliatory message on his talk page clarifying that I was not trying to confine the scope of his effort, but rather recommending that he write longer articles instead of one sentence articles. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATheAmericanRedoubt&action=historysubmit&diff=1131111&oldid=1131108] a few minutes later, he blocked me ("09:27, 11 January 2015 TheAmericanRedoubt (Talk | contribs) blocked Wschact (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled) (Sockpuppet/Abusing multiple accounts)"). There is no reason to believe that I am using multiple accounts and I am not sure that TAR understands what that means.
Perhaps Cons was not aware that TAR had blocked me because 5 minutes later, he left a message on my talk page about how he would like to move forward. These edits were later rev/del'ed, but you can still see them. He later posted a version on Jpatt, Karajou and TAR's talk pages.
Anyone who has struggled to understand how talk pages work, how templates work, how categories work should not be authorized to block on the basis of Sockpuppet allegations. TAR does not have the technical competence to hold the Block right, and I respectfully request that you remove it.
I think that TAR has a lot of energy, but lacks the skill set to achieve his ambitious goals. We need to contain any unintended fallout from his sweeping work. I leave it to you to fashion a remedy, but I would suggest that he write articles on a user subpage and then have another editor/mentor review them before the article is moved into the main article space. If you look at [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia%3ACommunity_Portal&action=historysubmit&diff=1131025&oldid=1128180 the Community Portal] or the specific article talk pages, you can see the variety of problem edits involved. With utmost respect, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 17:01, 11 January 2015 (EST)
=== A reply to Wschact ===
TheAmericanRedoubt (TAR) expressed concerns that the Wschact account was using multiple individuals from different geographic areas to team up on him. Using checkuser, I looked at the IP addresses and it appeared to be suspicious. Edits from multiple states within the United States all using the same Wschact account.
Since Karajou has greater experience with the checkuser function, I wrote him and Karajou wrote:
"In response to user Conservative's question "Is Wschact multiple,,,editors?", I'm going to have to give a "yes" answer to it. First, there's the allegation of hounding against TAR. Looking at Wschact's previous edits, it looks like he's following TAR's every move with a counter-move. This is part-and-parcel to what happens inside Wikipedia, when an editor who has nothing better to do forces himself into the mix, acts like the first author is doing everything wrong, seeks to make "corrections", and everything ends up with the first author booted out under allegations of being uncooperative.
Second, in direct answer to Conservative's question, here's Wschact's IP's:
[A LIST OF IP ADDRESSES]
If you look closely at the dates, some over-lap. For instance, of the two at the bottom, in the first he's in [STATE A] using a cell phone, with the second he's in [STATE B] using a company ISP. In the IP second from the top, he's on a cell phone in [STATE C]; the top one he's back in [STATE B].
And there's more. Look at that second IP. There's three total users, but only two under Wschact. The third belongs to someone who called himself "GibsMuhDat".... This individual used the following IPs from the [STATE D] area....As above, the second IP is a cell phone, possibly the same phone, but in [A DIFFERENT PLACE IN STATE D]. Unless this guy gets around a lot, I tend to agree with Conservative that there are several individuals operating under one name in the site, and using Wikipedia tactics against someone else."
Wsacht, I see a pattern of you hounding THeAmericanRedoubt in order to make him angry. The suspicious IP address editing pattern combined with the hounding is troubling.
I also see THeAmericanRedoubt (TAR) having a spirit of wanting to get along and also willing to compromise (TAR has agreed to not create additional ayurvedic medicine articles at this time). I wish I could say the same thing about the Wsacht account, but I cannot. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:36, 11 January 2015 (EST)
===Final thoughts===
:Cons, thank you for allowing me to understand the nature of the evidence, which apparently TAR did '''not''' have when he blocked me. I recommend that only admins be allowed to block people for "Sockpuppet" because they have access to the data. The data will show that I indeed have been traveling around the country starting at Thanksgiving and returning on Monday, January 6. Each time, I logged in and used my single Conservapedia account. I have not lent my password to anyone else. I have been trying to mentor TAR, not to make him angry. Both Cons and I have gone out of our way to explain things to him, but I agree some other editors were a bit more testy when they also noticed the problem edits. People should only be granted the Block right if they show maturity and experience. This week we have had two threats from TAR to retire dramatically -- it is worthy of [[Charles de Gaulle]].
:As for compromise, I have given TAR wide latitude as to what and when he edits and also tried leaving him talk messages instead of just stepping in a making corrections myself. I also honored his various requests to hold off for a couple of weeks to clean up various problems himself. But he does not go back and make the promised clean ups. I can understand compromise over content, but where is compromise involved in saving a template mistakenly on the template talk page? The people patrolling his edits should not approve them without first making sure that they are not creating unintended harm to the project. Many thanks! [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 19:14, 11 January 2015 (EST)
=== Second reply to Wschact ===
President Lincoln wrote about people often having two natures. A more noble nature guided by conscience and a more base nature as well.
TheAmericanRedoubt (TAR) and I have no problem with the more noble Dr. Jekyll part of your nature which deals with stylistic issues. I communicated with TAR today via phone and he clearly understands the rationale behind the various stylistic issues now. He is a fast learner and very cooperative. It is often much easier to communicate via phone. He is going to create longer articles (he only created stub articles to fill in the red links that AlanE complained about) which don't have long "see also" sections.
On the other hand Wschacht, there is an element of personal animus that you displaying towards TheAmericanRedoubt due to his approach to health care (he agreed to not write ayurvedic medicine articles at this time) and his very conservative political beliefs (anti-gun control, advocacy of moving out of liberal states, etc. etc.). In short, there is a Mr. Hyde nature that you are displaying towards TAR. The sheer volume of your counter edits is a problem. In addition, some of your counter edits appear to be in response his conservative ideology.
TheAmericanRedoubt doesn't appear to hold a grudge towards you. He only blocked you due to the IP address issue and the hounding. You need to dial back the hounding. I don't think it is necessary - especially given my recent communication/coaching with him and his ability to learn fast. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:50, 11 January 2015 (EST)
:Andy has to decide. If TAR felt "pressure" and "hounded" (when '''everyone''' was saying there was no need to hurry), he should not be the one to make the Block decision, and does not have the temperament to hold the Block bit. I was bending over backwards to be [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATheAmericanRedoubt&action=historysubmit&diff=1131111&oldid=1131108 kind] and 5 minutes later, he blocks me indefinitely. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 20:18, 11 January 2015 (EST)
::Wschact, I suggest communicating with [[User: Karajou]] at this point about this matter if anything further needs to be resolved. TAR and Karajou have decided to work together to resolve this issue should the matter need further attention (they have exchanged emails, etc.). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:37, 11 January 2015 (EST)
== Deuteronomy 25:13-15 ==
<span style="background-color: lightblue;">''<sup>13</sup>You shall not have in your bag two kinds of weights, a large and a small. <sup>14</sup>You shall not have in your house two kinds of measures, a large and a small. <sup>15</sup>A full and fair weight you shall have, a full and fair measure you shall have, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.''</span>
#When an administrator creates a sock to deceive, it gets ignored - while usually, this is an offense which is harshly punished.
#When [[User: Wschact]] voices his concerns, but offers help, this is called ''hounding'' - when [[User: Wschact]] gets blocked for a wrong reason, this is ignored.
#When I restore a section on your talk page, [[User:Conservative]] blocks me for two days - block reason: ''"untrimming Andy's talk page. A talk page is a user's castle!"''. When [[User:Conservative]] deletes the talk-page of a longtime editor against his expressed wishes, nothing happens.
#When longtime members of this wiki ask for your input, they are ignored (rather rudely). And then, [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] is informed that ''"the owner of Conservapedia would like to talk to you this week if you are available to talk to him. He wants the website to be a welcoming place for new editors."''
#[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] performs an unjustified 90/10 block on [[User:AugustO]], but [[User:AugustO]] is [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:AugustO&diff=1132509&oldid=1132488 threatened with the loss of his blocking-rights.]
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:28, 15 January 2015 (EST)
== Prayer in public schools ==
"It's illegal for Christians to pray in public school, according to the U.S. Supreme Court. But in Michigan, Muslims are being given special prayer privileges by school administrators, raising questions as about due process, equal protection, and freedom of speech for followers of the faith of America's Founding Fathers."[http://www.christianpost.com/news/should-muslims-be-allowed-to-pray-in-public-schools-michigan-says-yes-98695/]
Were you aware of this matter? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:06, 15 January 2015 (EST)
== Obama says the newspaper exercised bad judgment and brought this upon themselves. ==
[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] writes in his [[Essay:France Pays Dearly - Liberal Gun Control Laws and Gun Free Zones that Welcome Terrorists]] on [[Charlie Hebdo]] that "''Obama says the newspaper exercised bad judgment and brought this upon themselves"''. [[User:EJamesW]] asked for a citation for this claim, [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:France_Pays_Dearly_-_Liberal_Gun_Control_Laws_and_Gun_Free_Zones_that_Welcome_Terrorists&diff=1131801&oldid=1131418 I did so too]. Unfortunately, [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] hasn't shared his sources with us yet - and I haven't found any source stating something similar...
You are the lawyer, Andy, you know what counterfactual claims are called.
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:21, 15 January 2015 (EST)
== New Direction ==
Andy, in 2007 you [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Uses_of_Wikipedia&oldid=149629 wrote]:
{{cquote|Wikipedia is useful for watching how a website attempts to boost traffic based on the search algorithms employed by Google. Overuse of linking, which is distracting to readers, helps boost placement in its search engines. As only a small percentage of Wikipedia users go there first to look for information, Wikipedia (unlike Conservapedia) is overwhelmingly dependent on search engine referrals. }}
The last couple of days showed that Conservapedia is heading in the same direction! It would be nice to get your public endorsement of this new policy: is Conservapedia to be centered around the ideas of survivalists, which start to penetrate every article, instead of being a encyclopedic resource aimed at high-school pupils? Or do you prefer to wait-and-see, just to follow the trends instead of leading the enterprise?
At the moment, I try to maintain the standards of Conservapedia as given in [[Conservapedia:Commandments]], [[Conservapedia:Guidelines]] and [[Conservapedia:Manual of Style]]. If you just declare that these standards don't apply to the new survivalist editors, I can save much time and effort!
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:02, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:That sounds like a lot of mumbo jumbo about the search engines. The search engines largely use common sense approaches from what I read. That overlinking on web pages to boost the rankings of the web page sounds like antiquated hogwash. When I Google various subjects I don't see web pages assaulting me with links. We are no longer at the dawn of the internet and search engines. The search engines are pretty sophisticated nowadays now that hardware and processing cost are much cheaper and computers are more powerful. From what I have seen, the search engine results have been getting better over time.
:I added some material to the manual of style to defang the category tag gestapo of Wsacht and AugustO. Lots of excellent wikis have a fair number of category tags at the bottom of their pages. There is no reason why category tags have to be a big source of contention at this wiki. Less than 1% of web visitors use them on pages from what I have seen. Category tags are at the bottom of the page and many readers never even get to the bottom of most web pages. AugustO and Wsacht are creating tempests in teapots when it comes to category tags.
:AugustO, your "chicken little" like warnings about survivalism material is overblown. The sky is not falling. A lot of conservatives live in rural areas where they place a greater importance on being not overly dependent on others. And that is true of conservatives as a whole. And get used to gun rights articles. It's part of conservatism. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:54, 16 January 2015 (EST)
::From what I have seen, Wsachat and AugustO would have dismissed John the Baptist as some kind of "mountain man" nut because he was a religious conservative who lived in a rural area and subsisted on locusts and honey!!!! Let's have some tolerance gentlemen. Why is it that the most intolerant people are often the most liberal! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:09, 16 January 2015 (EST)
::*Other than you, [[User:Conservative]], I wouldn't call Andy's observations ''mumbo jumbo''.
::*I've no problem with gun-rights articles, etc. I've a problem with seeing everything from the viewpoint of the coming apocalypse: just look at the [[:category:Nuclear Target Structures]].
::*I don't ''dismiss'' survivalists, etc - but it should be just one aspect of Conservapedia, not the domineering one.
::*The sky is not falling, but the direction is changing...
::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:16, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:::"And behold, I am coming quickly". - Jesus. "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come." - The Apostle Paul. "Be prepared." - USA Boy Scouts. I hope this clarifies matters! :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:23, 16 January 2015 (EST)
I looked at the nuclear target structures material. The developed world and some developing countries have spent a considerable amount of funds on nuclear weapons. And the number of countries getting nuclear weapons appears to be headed towards an increase. It is natural that people would have some thoughts on nuclear target structures. Please endeavor to be less critical of others articles. Nobody ever built a monument to a critic. Instead of creating endless disputes, use some of that energy to create more content instead of slowing down others as far as creating content. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:38, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:*I haven't deleted or changed the content of [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]]'s (or [[User:OGSMEDIA]]'s) articles
:*I'm just trying to maintain Conservapedia's traditions and standards with regard to red links and categories. I said it before: it is annoying that such a menial task takes so much effort - even to take [[Attack on Perl Harbor]] from [[:category:Nuclear Target Structures]] was resisted!
:*Andy, if you wish to have these rules overhauled and year-old traditions disregarded by new-comers, please just say so!
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:03, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:03, 16 January 2015 (EST)
::Tradition... Category tags.... You certainly have a fanatical and pharisaical devotion to hair-splitting about category tags. Man was not created for category tags. Category tags were created for men! I abridged the manual of style when it comes to category tags. Your reign of category tag tyranny is over! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:41, 16 January 2015 (EST)
== Blocking rights ==
User:Conservative informed me that he has asked you to strip me of my blocking rights. Here my 2 cents:
:It will be very ironic to be punished for something which should be so uncontroversial as the first rule of categorization: ''nothing should be in a category and one of its (direct) super/sub-categories.'' Andy often emphasizes the importance of logic for this site, so it is very surprising that he'll enforce (as you, [[User:Conservative]] imply) illogical categorization!
:It is really not rocket-science: R. Heinlein was an author who wrote science-fiction - thereby he belongs into [[:category:Science Fiction Authors]]. He doesn't belong into [[:category:Science Fiction]], as any reader who looks at [[:category:Science Fiction]] will be surprised that he obviously doesn't fit in a subcategory....
:OTOH [[:category:Best Selling Authors]] should not be a sub-category of [[:category:Science Fiction Authors]] (as it is now), as it includes authors like Glenn Beck and Agatha Christie... [[:category:Best Selling Authors]] is also at the moment a sub-category of [[:category:Liberal Authors]], implying that all best sellers are written by liberals...
:New editors should understand logic, too! So, please, show a little bit more logic, and a little less aggression. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:34, 16 January 2015 (EST)
===Weighing in; cleaning the slate===
[[File:Category Template.jpg|right|200px]]
The current bone of contention has to do with the large amount of differing categories - many of which are not needed and/or useless - by TAR. I talked to him about it, and he's agreeable to be more sensitive to this issue. I am guessing here (I could be wrong) that TAR doesn't know how to properly categorize articles. This needs correcting here, but I don't think such correction involves petty fights from any of us. I also don't think AugustO needs blocking rights removed; he gets frustrated at things like any of us. I got frustrated with Wschact for overly-stalking TAR, Tar got frustrated with Joey, and Conservative got frustrated with his washing machine. He hates Maytag.<br/>What I think is needed is a plan for the various categories that we have, so each article is properly filed and easy to find for the avereage reader. The included image is an example, and I based it on the layout of a set by Britannica called ''Great Books of the Western World''. What we need to do is wipe the slate, and get back on track with what needs to happen. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 09:43, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:*That looks very promising. Often pictures work better than wordy explanations - even when repeated too often :-) Categorization is like the [[:File:Koeln_(Cologne)_Germany.jpg|Dome of Cologne]], it will never be finished - and it will never please everyone. But obvious errors should be avoided.
:*Yes, I get frustrated: I'm performing a menial - but not unimportant - task which should be totally uncontroversial, and I even explain my edits on the talk-pages. Then, I'm called a "''Category Tag Nazi''", "''Category Gestapo''", "''petty and contentious''", etc. I get threatened (''"Back off!"'', my favorite: ''"A cat only has so many lives. I think you are on your 8th. But in all of the excitement lately, maybe its your 9th. Do you fell lucky?"''), and then indeed, I get blocked (for one day only , but with an obviously invalid block-reason: "''90/10 rule: excess of talk rather than edits to substantive entries''") Does anyone commutes this obviously wrong block? Is the blocking editor admonished? Or at least does anyone explain to him what the "90/10" rule entails? No, to put the cherry on top, I'm the one threatened with losing my blocking-rights! ''Shouldn't I fell bullied?''
:*I know that I won't get an apology for being insulted or wrongly blocked: those are reserved for administrators. The best I can hope for is something along the line: "well, we didn't get you ''this'' time...". Frustrating is quite an apt description.
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 11:02, 16 January 2015 (EST)
::The [[creationism]] and [[communism]] articles have both received about 190,000 page views respectively. The creationism and communism category tags have both received about 7,000 page views. So about 3.5% of people who went to creationism/communism main articles also clicked the category tags of the various articles relating to creationism/communism. Conservapedia has a big selection of communism related articles with communism category tags on them and a decent size amount of creationism articles with creationism related tags on them.
::There you have it. A very small percentage of people click category tags.
::On the other hand, Conservapedia has a small active editor base and TheAmericanRedoubt is the only "power editor" in terms of creating a lot of new content.
::Next, I have seen various reviews of wikis. Not once did they mention a wikis category tags.
::Content is king on the internet and a strong website creates a lot of it. Category tags are not even close to being king.
::So from a cost/benefit analysis, focusing on category tags with a new user and doing it in an aggressive way that aggravated someone creating a lot of new content doesn't make sense. On top of this, the new editor had editors acting in petty ways unrelated to category tags which made him less open to hearing them about their category complaints. In addition, I thought that a percentage of their category complaints were petty.
::With that being said, hopefully the matter is resolved and Karajou's diagram will be helpful to new editors. Personally, I don't think the matter is resolved - at least in a satisfactory/optimal way. For example, the amount of new content that TheAmericanRedoubt created today is a fraction of his usual amount. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:23, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:::You can't deduce that 3.5% of people who visited those pages clicked on that category just because it has 3.5% the page views of each of those pages--people could have viewed that pages from other categories, or by being linked in externally. 7500 views is also far from insignificant--that's potentially thousands of people. You don't want thousands of people to be confused by irrelevant categories. Where do we draw the line to this approach to categories? Should [[Communism]] and [[Creationism]] both get the categories "Words that start with the letter C", "Words that start with C and end with M", etc? These two wildly different topics fit into both of those categories, but it's clear that those categories shouldn't go on those pages because there's no real value gained by adding them. We shouldn't excuse this practice just because an editor creates a lot of content. We should all strive to be better editors, recognize we aren't perfect, and accept advice from others. Just because someone brings a large quantity of content here doesn't mean they should get a pass on quality.--[[User:JonY|JonY]] 21:30, 16 January 2015 (EST)
JonY, show me a website linking to Conservapedia's communism/creationism category web pages. I don't believe you can do so.
Content is still king. Category pages are not. A website's text content and pictures receive reviews, press, social media shares, etc.
Tonight I am going to a restaurant. I am not going to rate the restaurant on whether or not they offer the McCormick brand of pepper on the table. That would be like focusing on category tags! :) Believe it or not. I am going to focus on the quality of food the waitress/waiter brings to the table and not their brand of pepper they offer patrons. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:49, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:I followed [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]]'s example ("''[[Conservapedia:Community_Portal#User:Wschact's Stubborn Hounding: 72% of his edits over a period of 24 days are about my work out of 179 edits, 129 concern my edits]]''" and "''[[User talk:AugustO#In 19 Months AugustO submits 2 New 1 Paragraph Articles, 13 New Talk Pages; in 2 weeks 83 Related to TheAmericanRedoubt]]''") and took a closer look at his [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&limit=500&target=TheAmericanRedoubt user contributions]:
:#[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] isn't a new editor: he started in early April 2014, and in December 2014 had already made many more than 1000 edits.
:#Then, he mainly added categories(!) to articles, created "see also"-sections, and inserted internal wiki-links. Looking at some of his edits, there isn't much unusual to them (other perhaps that he ''links to categories''(!) in the "see also"-sections.) Generally, he avoids creating red links by piping (<nowiki>[[duty|basic purpose]]</nowiki>) - but I just looked at a small sample of his edits, and while they seem to be excessive some times, they are not too controversial.
:#Coming December 2014, he seemingly loses this piping-ability, and red links start to spread (e.g., [[Cleon Skousen]]). He increases the number of categories he adds to articles, too.
:It seems that [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] is well aware of the way a wiki works. He shouldn't have a problem to follow the rules and guidelines of Conservapedia. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:37, 17 January 2015 (EST)
::AugustO, the TAR issues with formatting/coding/harassment at a wiki appear to have been solved or at least largely solved. My apologies for overreacting.
::In recent times, I am usually pretty unflappable and am working on being more unflappable. In addition, I have been spending less time on talk pages and I plan on spending less time on talk pages in the future. In the future, my editing and reading of CP will largely/exclusively be focused on editing the main page and article pages. There is no sense in spending excessive time trying to reason with liberals who tend to be very unreasonable (this is especially true in the political realm).
::I incorporated Karajou's diagram into the manual of style. So some good did come out of this thankfully. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:22, 17 January 2015 (EST)
:::*Thanks for the apology: it was a nice surprise!
:::*I cannot share your optimism: ''issues with formatting/coding/harassment at a wiki'' haven't been solved at all:
:::*Take a look at [[Special:UnusedCategories]], [[Special:MostLinkedCategories]], and [[Special:MostCategories]]. Here, you can see what an impact [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] had over the last months. E.g., he added 14 categories to [[Ronald Wilson Reagan]], some of them unnecessary (like ''conservatism'' and ''libertarianism'', as Reagan was already classified as ''conservative'' and ''libertarian'' - or ''1960s'', ''1970s'', ''1980s''!) , some plainly wrong and misleading ([[:category:Veterans]] and [[:category:Oath Keepers]])!
:::*"''some good did come out of this thankfully. ''" Unfortunately, much bad did come out of it: may I remind you that '''[[User:Wschact]] is still being blocked?'''
:::*''"In the future, my editing and reading of CP will largely/exclusively be focused on editing the main page and article pages. "'' Another announcement. Well, I'm inclined to make a prediction myself: in a couple of days you will be back to your ''normal'' self, chattering on talk-pages about incoming successes, and amusing us with your "I am many" - routine.
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:34, 18 January 2015 (EST)
I went over the web traffic numbers relating to category tags with TAR. He now understands that a tiny portion of web traffic comes via category tags. So it doesn't make sense to overdo the category tags. In short, it is best to keep the category tags about the same number that popular wikis have at the bottom of their web articles.
Someone recently highly praised me off wiki with many kind praises. But the person said that sometimes I could be a "grouchy bear". :) I do endeavor to have a positive attitude and be patient. I don't always succeed, but I am getting better. I keep in mind that Moses never saw the promised land because he struck the rock twice.
Lastly, I know I razzed you about some of the shortcomings of the German people. But I do admire their time management skills. I have a lot to do and cannot waste time on talk pages. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 08:32, 18 January 2015 (EST)
:Don't sweat it - such sweeping allegations are common for those who don't travel abroad. I find them quite amusing, as they tell so much more abut you than about the German people! But perhaps the American public schools are to blame for you having to rely on "Hogan's Heroes" for your historical education.
:You should only be careful not to call German officials "Nazi" or "Gestapo", or you vill find out how humorless ve really are...
:PS: could you unblock [[User:Wschact]], please?
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:59, 18 January 2015 (EST)
::Since you are familiar with "Hogan's Heroes", Herr Wsacht has yet to serve all his required days in the "cooler". :) Second, as part of my education, I took two courses on Nazi Germany. As a Protestant though, I admire much of the work that [[Martin Luther]] did. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 09:09, 18 January 2015 (EST)
:::I am back, but we need to clarify whether we want consistency for usability, or whether we will tolerate editors ignoring the rules and the falsely accusing everyone who disagrees with them as being "liberals." We need a rule that people should not use the blocking rights when they are in the middle of a content dispute. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 14:23, 20 January 2015 (EST)
== Spamming links to external sites ==
"Spamming links to external sites" once was a blockable offense. So, what is Conservapedia's current policy regarding the new [[User:OGSMEDIA]] (get it: OGS Media) advertising the site http://offgridsurvival.com/, where all kinds of outdoor equipment is advertised and sold? (See: http://offgridsurvival.com/store/ ) --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:07, 18 January 2015 (EST)
== Five questions ==
#When do you think user TheAmericanRedoubt will realize that the crude vandalism for which he blocked EJamesW at 19:16 today, with comment "Inserting pornography/vulgarity into pages: http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Nuclear_target_structures&diff=prev&oldid=1133449" (warning: extremely crude) was actually made by user ArtWilbur? EJamesW has never made any edits that could by any stretch of the imagination be considered pornographic.
#When do you think he will rescind that block and apologize for same?
#When do you think he will stop his insulting name-calling, like "British Atheist Liberal Evolutionist User:EJamesW"?
#When do you think you will find it necessary to admonish him on his generally destructive behavior?
#When do you think you will find it necessary to revoke his sysop rights and permanently ban him?
[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 22:21, 19 January 2015 (EST)
:Wrong person blocked accidentally blocked. Unblocked EJamesW.
:Second, I am glad you consider the labels "evolutionist", "atheist" and "liberal" to be insults. No person serious about science belongs to those camps!!! :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:15, 19 January 2015 (EST)
::*I assume that one of the editors will address this problem with [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] in one of their next conversations. I'm afraid it will have as much effect as earlier attempts to reign in red-links or improve categorization. It is hard to imagine the block of [[User:EJamesW]] as an accident: [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] had already blocked the vandal responsible for the edits (a certain [[User:ArtWilbur]].) He included the following reason for the block of EJamesW:
:::::''Inserting pornography/vulgarity into pages: http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Nuclear_target_structures&diff=prev&oldid=1133449
::*''TheAmericanRedoubt'''s own link shows that EJamesW was innocent. Obviously, ''TheAmericanRedoubt'' abuses his blocking rights or at least, he cannot handle his rights diligently. As they won't be taken way (cannot snub him, can we), you have to school him - I'm certain he will promise to improve...
::*Sysops of this site may think that the can harness the overabundance of his energy for good and therefore try to appease him, even by annoying other editors. I'm less optimistic: see e.g., [[Tinospora cordifolia]] - this article was edited Jan 3-4 by [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]], but has not been touched for more than two weeks. For short, it's a wreck, riddled with red-links and useless (if even existent) categories!
::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:34, 20 January 2015 (EST)
A compromise with User: Wsacht was offered/reached. TheAmericanRedoubt would not create anymore articles on traditional/alternative medicine for now. Feel free to de-red link the article [[Tinospora cordifolia]] if the red links are unbearable to you and giving you sleepless nights.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:40, 20 January 2015 (EST)
:::I would be happy to complete all of the red links for the complementary medicine articles and submit 50 news ones particularly for all of the common cooking [[herb]]s (such as [[turmeric]], [[cardamom]], [[ginger]], [[basil]], [[cumin]], [[coriander]], [[fennel]], [[fenugreek]], [[black pepper]], [[piper longum]], [[anise]], [[galanga]], [[cinnamon]], etc.). However, as part of the compromise that [[User:Conservative]] kindly mediated between User:Wsacht (who is back in "The Cooler" for 14 days thanks to [[User:Conservative]] - [[Talk:Robert_Richardson#Wschact_Again_Biased_Targeting_Survivalism_Articles]]), I will not create anymore articles on traditional/alternative medicine ''for now'' until I am told otherwise by the Admins such as User:Conservative. As soon as I get the go-ahead from the Admins, I will gladly resume my contributions in that area, thus hopefully "curing" the red-link [[insomnia]] of [[User:AugustO]]. :-) [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 19:38, 20 January 2015 (EST)
:I won't put my name on anything like this. And what about [[Essay:Systems of support]], [[Oath Keepers]], [[Essay:State Firearms Laws Ranking]], or [[Glock]]? These show all similar problems. There are many more, just take a look at [[Special:MostCategories]].
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:54, 20 January 2015 (EST)
The sky is not falling. The red links will be filled in. Aschlafly does not appear to be worried about it and it is his wiki in case you forgot that. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:24, 20 January 2015 (EST)
== Template:Outdated ==
*<small>copied from [[Conservapedia:Community Portal#Template:Outdated|here]]</small>
When I peruse [[Special:Random]], I often encounter articles displaying information which is quite out of date (e.g, [[Stewart Bradley]] or [[Anne Arundel County, MD]]). Sometimes I'm able to update it, but at other times, it isn't in my field of special knowledge (or interest). I hope that I haven't overstepped my bounds, but
#I created the [[:Category:Outdated Articles]] for such pages
#I made the [[Template:Outdated]]: this will put a small warning on top of a page and put the page in the category. See [[Anne Arundel County, MD]] for an example.
I'd appreciate if someone would check the template and approve of it. Thanks --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:25, 18 January 2015 (EST)
== I have a question. ==
I have added good faith, family friendly information to the [[bladder]] page. However, some of the sources I cited may link to family unfriendly content, and I couldn't find alternative sources. Is it okay to keep the sources for now? [[User:JaylesHowler|JaylesHowler]] 15:16, 25 January 2015 (EST)
:Please provide an example link here.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 16:28, 25 January 2015 (EST)
::One of the sources I added was [http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/womenshealth/sui/bladder_005149.htm],which links to some pages about sex.
:::This isn't really my business, but I don't see any problem with the cited page. It's clinical about bodily functions, but nothing that the students that CP is aimed at can't handle. I didn't follow any outbound links from it, and it may well be that some of these links go to places that aren't student-friendly. But the internet is like that, unfortunately. If you click around, you're always going to be able to get to some nasty stuff. (You can get to some pretty nasty stuff by following links from the CP main page!) I think it would be perfectly OK to keep this material. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:38, 27 January 2015 (EST)
== The [[Spur of the moment]] page ==
::''A copy of this has been sent privately to ASchlafly.''
We (Cons, AugustO, EJamesW, and I) are having a bit of a dust-up on [[User_talk:EJamesW|EJW's talk page]] over the "Spur of the moment" article. EJamesW created it, and '''Cons deleted it''', apparently over an issue of whether it is too short. EJamesW has made some other pages in the "idioms" category, like "Preaching to the choir" and "blowing your own horn".
I think that articles explaining idioms like this are (a) very useful, (b) not really gathered well on the internet (you can always Google a phrase, of course), but gathered very well on the "idioms" category page, and (c) in no need of being lengthy. Hmmmm. "Dust-up". Another idiom. And I can think of a few more, but there's no point in creating pages for these if they will be deleted. I'm "shaking in my boots" over Cons's "reverse psychology." :-)
Would you please restore this, or instruct Cons to do so? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:38, 27 January 2015 (EST)
::''Cons posted a rather lengthy and wide-ranging reply to this, which he subsequently oversighted. I will not repost it, but I did read it and this is my reply.''
Cons, you have no right to speculate on the motives or emotions of people writing pages, especially in the personally insulting manner that you did. Furthermore, much of what you wrote was about religion and EJamesW's religious views, which are '''completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.'''
Now it's true that EJamesW's inspiration for the topic "spur of the moment" may have arisen from a dispute with you on his talk page, on the subject of some of your edits. But a person's thoughts at the moment they decide to write an article is unrelated to the quality of the article. I read that article (I don't have an exact copy) and I thought it was reasonable. It carried no hint of upset, depression, or bitterness toward you.
By the way, I'm planning another article on an idiom, the idea for which came out of this discussion. It will be a good, albeit fairly short, article. The connection with this discussion will not be mentioned in the article. I'll let you figure it out—I know you like mysteries. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 12:20, 27 January 2015 (EST)
::Having heard no objections to my just going ahead and recreating the page, I have done so. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 20:31, 31 January 2015 (EST)
==Policy decisions==
Dear Andy,
As noted above, recent events have raised serious policy concerns which I have asked you to address. We need your guidance and leadership so that we can move forward with reasonable harmony.
1) As a matter of policy, editors with blocking rights should not block other editor when they are in a reasonable dispute. Specifically, [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] overreacted in an emotional manner (with overly-dramatic talk page messages on numerous articles and well as individual talk pages) to civil mentoring and coaching regarding CP's Manual of Style.
2) Article "ownership" is a serious flaw at Wikipedia, and I hope that we can avoid that pitfall here at Conservapedia. When people write here, it is with the understanding that others can come after them and edit or change what they have written without intending any personal offense, nor should the editor take it as an affront. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] has left comments at the top of articles and also on article talk pages claiming his exclusive territory -- that is not the Conservapedia way. Such notices should be removed. While it is impolite to follow behind an editor and quickly make changes before the first editor has finished, I have tried to give other editors space to complete their own changes. When I find an article that has been untouched for 7 days, I feel that it is appropriate to edit that article without other editors feeling "hounded."
3) CP's policies on that essays need to be clarified. While I think that long-standing editors should be allowed to write opinion pieces on matters of wide-spread interest, we should establish some cut-off so that our essay policy is not a loop-hole to our anti-spam policy. I would suggest that someone must be an active editor for at least one year before the can write personal essays. Otherwise, someone could get a CP signon, make a few random edits and then leave incoherent walls-of-text or bullet lists to deploy a link spam farm on Conservapedia as an "Essay."
I have enjoyed working on this project, but I believe that all of the work we have done to date, and the credibility that we have built up with our readers requires us to fix the above problems.
Andy, please let me know your views on these suggestions. Respectfully, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 17:08, 3 February 2015 (EST)
:I would say earlier "reasonable disputes" were veiled attempts to target The American Redoubt, and that these requests to Andy are simply an extension of this targeting! The broad areas of editing technique where The American Redoubt has fallen short have already been identified and are already being dealt with, as shown by Recent Changes, without the need of further picking apart through the minutae of "helpful" editing criticism or suggesting sweeping policy changes with the sole purpose of trying to pull the rug from under The American Redoubt.
:And before you accuse The American Redoubt of shortcomings, you should attend to your own first. Are you aware that Karajou identified you as the originator of a nuisance sockpuppet that was introduced before your block was over?
:The American Redoubt, if you happen to read this, I would encourage you not to become demoralized by this kind of hostile criticism, but to continue contributing under the guidance of those editors who have been friendly to you in the way that you feel would best build up Conservapedia. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] 18:59, 3 February 2015 (EST)
::I was not aware of any "nuisance sockpuppet." I have not edited CP for two weeks. It sounds like some gossipy game of label X as an "enemy of the state." I am still the same solid contributor that I was prior to TheAmericanRedoubt's arrival. Let's keep this on a policy level without discussing individuals. There are three areas: 1) don't block when you are angry, 2) no article "ownership", and 3) wait a year to earn the right to leave essays. People should come here to work to build an encyclopedic learning resource, not to publicize some other website or product. Our essays should reflect our team not somebody else. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 21:38, 3 February 2015 (EST)
==Super Bowl==
Dear Andy: Could you please unprotect [[Template:SuperBowl]]? Many thanks! [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 17:40, 3 February 2015 (EST)
:I want to bring the template up to 2016, so please unprotect. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 12:24, 5 February 2015 (EST)
::Template has been updated through 2016, but I recommend that we keep it unprotected for future changes. It is a low risk, low visibility template. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 06:25, 6 February 2015 (EST)
==Medical Warning Template==
Dear Andy: Could you please review the wording of [[Template:Medical Notice]]? I don't understand the skull graphic. If you must have a graphic, why not upload one from this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazard_symbol page]? Should the third word be "liability" or something else? If you approve the template, we should put it on articles more consistently. If not, we should remove it from the dozen articles where it is currently used. Many thanks for all that you do, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 06:25, 6 February 2015 (EST)
== Correction ==
I noticed the Main Page scripture should be changed to Revelation 22:12-13. It is listed as chapter 12. Thanks for the great website. Kennywillb
== The Hounding of User:Wschact ==
[[User:Wschact]] should be unblocked: See [[Talk:Pickle#Erroneous block of User:Wschact|here]]. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:04, 4 February 2015 (EST)
:Although I have been unblocked, we are all waiting for guidance from you as to which direction you have chosen for leading Conservapedia forward. Should we clean up the articles edited by TAR? Please see my questions above. Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 23:09, 6 February 2015 (EST)
==And alcoholism==
You are a good and reasonable man Andy so why on earth do you let this obsessive, quite frankly disturbing behavior continue?--[[User:CliffordC|CliffordC]] 01:49, 7 February 2015 (EST)
:Believe me, I myself care more for your interests than the author(s) of these articles.--[[User:CliffordC|CliffordC]] 01:51, 7 February 2015 (EST)
::I think you should stop crying in your beer. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:05, 7 February 2015 (EST)
:::The atheist/agnostic [http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/113 JHunter] who was an evolutionist and biologist said he would debate the biology student [[VivaYehshua]] on the [http://creation.com/15-questions 15 questions for evolutionists], but he didn't show up in order to debate because he said he was drunk. Another time he was kicked out of [[Shockofgod]]'s chat room for drunken disorderly conduct if memory serves (and I think it does). Coincidence? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:22, 8 February 2015 (EST)
==SCOTUS Picture==
I was wondering if it would be possible to get a new picture of the Supreme Court justices?
The current picture is this one from the SCOTUS page:
[[Image:SCOTUS.jpg|200px|left|thumb]]
The picture was taken in 2007 and is out of date. Souter and Stevens, as I'm sure you're aware, are no longer on the bench and were replaced by Sotomayor and Kagen respectively.
It would be very helpful to get an updated picture on the article. There are many freely available ones out there, including this [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Supreme_Court_US_2010.jpg/1280px-Supreme_Court_US_2010.jpg one on wikipedia]. Thank you. [[User:ScottH35|ScottH35]] 14:58, 9 February 2015 (EST)
:Go for it! You do not need upload rights, or any other special permission, to place a picture on a Conservapedia page, if that picture is already hosted at an existing site. Especially a site, like Wikimedia Commons, that isn't about to disappear. As they say at Wikipedia, "be bold".
:You know how to do this, right? Open the Supreme Court page and edit the place where the picture is referenced. Be sure the caption is updated properly, the size and location on the page are correct, etc. Use the "preview" button—this is especially important for pictures; there are many embarrassing things that can go wrong. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 15:18, 9 February 2015 (EST)
::Oops, sorry. I '''thought''' I knew how to do this, and that it worked at CP. It certainly worked at AW. But I can't find any examples of it here. It may be that CP has a technical safeguard in place that prevents references to images at other sites. If so, someone with upload rights needs to grab that picture and import it into CP. Anyone out there? I know you people read this page.
::Sorry about misleading you. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 15:43, 9 February 2015 (EST)
:::I uploaded a more current photo. Thanks for mentioning this.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 16:47, 9 February 2015 (EST)
::::Thanks for the upload, I've updated the description for the picture. [[User:ScottH35|ScottH35]] 16:53, 9 February 2015 (EST)
::::I was wondering if it would be possible to create some kind of portal where pictures needing to be uploaded could be submitted in some format? This could be done though linking to the image and providing the permissions, etc. It would make it really easy. That way there would be a consistent, easy process for users who request pics. It would still require approval/authorization from an admin. [[User:ScottH35|ScottH35]] 17:07, 9 February 2015 (EST)
== vandal attack ==
I hope someone with block powers is paying attention. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:09, 12 February 2015 (EST)
== Thank you ==
Thanks for blocking user RSM. I tried my best but he wouldn't give up. Cheers, Carlos.
== ConsMovies ==
Hello. I have made this account for communicating with admins about my ban. I will not use the account for any other purpose.
The account that was banned was ConsMovies with a block id of #193504. It was banned by one of the users of the User:Conservative account, and I think I know which one. I think it was whichever one I politely disagreed with about halal meat on a talk page, and I think the ban is personal. The reason given for the ban was "desperate parodist" and seemed to immediately follow the addition of the movie ''Evolution'' to [[Essay:Greatest Conservative Movies]].
I can see that a case could be made for the movie actually having no message, and me reading too much into it. In that case it could have been reverted and the reason why posted to the Essay Talk page. It doesn't seem like a reason to block a contributor with a history of constructive edits and revert almost everything they did.
Many edits were then reverted by this particular user of the User:Conservative account simply because they had my name attached to them.
Robocop for example. Anyone who doesn't think that my description of what is wrong with that film is accurate has obviously only seen the poster and not the actual movie. From the title and tagline it looks like harmless silly action but it is silly in a far less harmless way than that.
The user who reverted my edits even reverted my italicization of movie titles in [[Essay:Greatest Conservative Movies]] in line with the convention adopted by the rest of the article's table entries. What could he or she have against italics except for the presence of my name in the edit log?
Additionally, my addition to [[Mystery:Why Do Non-Conservatives Exist?]] was reverted. I can't see what problem anyone is supposed to have with the addition, other than my name on the edit log.
As you can see my ban was personal and nothing to do with proper running of the encyclopedia. I waited to see if the other users of the [[User:Conservative]] account would have a word with the errant one but they remain silent! Clearly they are a tight-knit group, and while that is not a bad thing in itself it should not take precedence over the correct running of Conservapedia.
[[User:ConsMoviesAppeal|ConsMoviesAppeal]] 11:04, 3 March 2015 (EST) (ConsMovies)
:ConsMoviesAppeal, create 10 solid new articles that are at least 2,400 words in length to show good faith. The articles must be articles that need to be written for the [[Conservapedia:Atheism Project|Conservapedia atheism project]].
:Given your British IP address (a British atheist from London is obsessed with me) and your parodist type edits, I doubt you will take me up on this offer. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:12, 4 March 2015 (EST)
::I have reconsidered. If he does an article on [[Lee Rigby]] and creates 2 new articles for the [[Conservapedia:Atheism Project|Conservapedia atheism project]] of at least 2,400 words in length and are of good quality, he can edit Conservapedia for the foreseeable future barring any subsequent ill-behavior. This is my final offer and no counter offers will be accepted. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:04, 4 March 2015 (EST)
:::Conservative, I came here not to appease you, but to warn the other admins and other users of your account about you. I assume I am speaking to the same user who blocked me, who did so for personal reasons, and who can apparently do whatever he or she wants with the User:Conservative account while the other users of that account turn a blind eye.
:::I have made no "parodist type edits." As I said, you reverted the edit where I fixed the italics in an article. Why? I can see no reason other than my name being on the edit.
:::Also, you have failed to explain why you reverted my edits to the article [[Mystery:Why Do Non-Conservatives Exist?]].
:::Additionally, have you actually seen Robocop?
:::Anyone could be forgiven for thinking that the true conservative members of the group that uses the User:Conservative account are in fact no longer here, and that you are the parodist/parodists.
:::[[User:ConsMoviesAppeal|ConsMoviesAppeal]] 14:47, 7 March 2015 (EST)
::::Conservative, rather than answer my questions, which you can not do, you blocked me again. You can't explain the reverts that you did. You reverted good edits only because you have a personal grudge. And you call yourself a conservative! [[User:ConsMoviesAppeal2|ConsMoviesAppeal2]] 13:01, 10 March 2015 (EDT)
===From SamHB===
Andy: A serious case of abuse has unfolded just above on this talk page. It refers to the block, by Cons, of the user "ConsMovies", apparently relating to some edits made to the [[Essay:Greatest Conservative Movies]] page.
I'm not going to support or oppose those edits, as I don't watch many movies, and have probably not seen any of the movies involved. But, whatever the merits of the actual edits, Cons's actions are utterly inexcusable. They appear to be some kind of emotional outburst, the reason for which I don't understand (and I know Cons well.) He also seems to have reverted all of ConsMovies' edits, based entirely on the fact that they were made by ConsMovies and without regard to the actual substance. He even reverted some italicization of a few movie titles. The convention appears to be that movie titles are supposed to be in italics. A few were not, and ConsMovies fixed that. Cons reverted even that change. That can't be simply an accident; ConsMovies brought up that very issue in the section above, and Cons still took no action. I would have fixed it myself, but the page is locked.
Cons's actions constitute a blatant abuse of his administrative powers. He is carrying out a brutish personal vendetta against someone for reasons that I don't understand. ConsMovies' edits may be worthy of a revert—I can't judge—but this is simply an abuse of power.
A rather disturbing aspect of this has been the discussion that you can see in the section above. ConsMovies created a new account to appeal the block (against the rules, but there is no other way to do it, so it's a good thing that that rule is not enforced), and Cons issued some demands that are nothing but an abusive power trip. He demanded that ConsMovies write 10 articles, meeting certain demands on size, and '''demanding that they must be on a specified topic!''' In all my time here I have never seen a demand of that type. Furthermore, the demand was couched in particularly abusive terms—"This is my final offer and no counter offers will be accepted" that are reminiscent of the Postsdam Declaration of World War 2.
But perhaps the most disturbing aspect of this is Cons's demands that the articles (which of course ConsMovies couldn't create in any case since he is blocked) be in a topic category that is of particular interest to Cons. (The "Atheism Project", which is essentially owned by Cons.) Cons is effectively demanding that ConsMovies do his bidding, as a condition for being allowed to edit at Conservapedia.
There are some very crude contemporary slang terms that are sometimes used to describe the relationship that Cons is demanding that ConsMovies enter into. I don't endorse the language at all, but one of the terms I can think of relates to a female canine, and the others relate to an extremely old profession.
I have been trying to work with Cons both on his writing style and on his efforts to interact with others in a straightforward and sensible manner (see my talk page), but have made only slight headway. You need to intervene. Please unblock ConsMovies, and admonish Cons on acceptable standards of behavior for an administrator.
Sincerely, [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 17:52, 12 March 2015 (EDT)
:Hi, I'm a new editor here. I just wanted to let you know that I think [[User:Conservative]] is completely innocent. Thanks. [[User:ZDean|ZDean]] 19:24, 12 March 2015 (EDT)
::You seem awfully new to be jumping into such a complicated issue. I assume you are familiar with the many dozens of controversies that Cons has been involved in over the years, many of which I am very familiar with. I also assume that, in what you wrote just above, that you were specifically referring just to the "ConsMovies" incident. And that you are aware that it is a more isolated and simple issue than many of the others. Why don't you, off the top of your head, render your opinions on some of the others?
::Or perhaps you would like us to believe that you are another member of Cons's fictional "collective". You must know that that is not his ''modus operandi''.
::Andy: Please don't delete ZDean's comment (or mine) above. People need to see this kind of stuff.
::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 22:36, 12 March 2015 (EDT)
:::Whenever a liberal cannot pin anything on a conservative (or conservative organization), often they resort to calling the person/organization "controversial" (see: [[Liberal Style]]).
:::Given SamHB's/Conservmoviesappeal's high words/substance ratio, I doubt Mr. Schlafly read their long screeds. At most, he skimmed them. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:18, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
::::Before I had even posted on Conservapedia I had contacted Andy by email to get his advice on anti-abortion and pro-life topics for setting up a pro-life project of my own. Andy invited me to post here and advised me, and I paraphrase "Do not take much notice about what is said on talk pages". Since then I have been blocked twice by Conservative simply for disagreeing with him, despite being told I would not be blocked. As I had misplaced Andy's email address I had no way of contacting him for advice I really did need. I have come to the conclusion that Conservative is always right, never bullies or intimidates people and never uses a high word to substance ratio despite publishing dozens of atheism articles, many of which are close facsimiles of each other based on one Barna Group report many years ago. Conservative holds the axe here and there is no point in opposing him if you do not want it to be bought down on your neck.--[[User:Tomqua|Tomqua]] 10:22, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
:::::To illustrate my point look at the deletion of my talk page[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Tomqua]. You will see that despite my posts being accepted and me showing some contrition I was still blocked. It does not show it here but after I had written "Ok, but so far my posts have been accepted" the next line was , again I paraphrase "You were warned". followed by the block. I can only conclude the real reason for the block was spite.--[[User:Tomqua|Tomqua]] 10:50, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
Tomqua, are you an atheist? Your past complaints at this wiki would indicate you are an atheist.
Conservapedia is never going to whitewash atheism. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:13, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
:My religious views are not your concern.--[[User:Tomqua|Tomqua]] 15:58, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
::Given the [[Moral failures of the atheist population|folly and shamefulness]] of the [[atheist worldview]], I can understand your reluctance to admit you are an atheist. Many atheists are closet atheists and find it difficult to support their [[Atheism is a religion|atheist religion]] (see: [[Atheism and cowardice]]).
::Jesus set the highest moral standards (Sermon on the mount, etc.) and there is an abundance of [[Christian apologetics websites|evidence supporting Christianity]], so there no reason for a Christian to be ashamed of being a Christian. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:17, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
:::It has nothing to do with cowardice. Think along the lines of your past record of bullying and belittling not just atheism but any form Christianity you find too liberal, see [[Liberal Christianity and marital infidelity]].--[[User:Tomqua|Tomqua]] 16:35, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
::::I find that a strange remark, for a number of reasons. Only one of which being that the article doesn't strike me as a particularly vivid example of the point you were professing to demonstrate. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] 17:01, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
== Key articles and traffic ==
Andy,
Based on our discussion yesterday, I fixed the sidebar taking the various matters we talked about into account.
If you and/or others would format/improve the [[abortion articles]] page so it is more organized and has some pictures that would be much appreciated. If you want an example of this via another "articles page", please see: [[Atheism articles]].
I also created a few more abortion articles. Some of the footnoting is messed up for some of those articles, but I had to attend to some matters this morning, so I didn't have time to fix the footnoting for those articles. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:48, 7 March 2015 (EST)
== The Son of God ==
Andy, I've joined Conservapedia four years ago. I've invested quite a bit of time in the [[CBP]], mainly to curb the most egregious abominations. I'm very bothered that time after time some random insights trumped scholarship and knowledge. You chided me for ''"a pedantic word-for-word approach to translation''", but at least I'm able to do so: after these four years I'm convinced that you are lacking any skills in Greek beside recognizing the alphabet and browsing various translations. This becomes ample clear reading your article on the [[Son of Man]]. E.g., take your comment:
{{cquote|Matthew 5:45 has "πατρὸς ὑμῶν τοῦ ἐν οὐρανοῖς." This is translated as "your Father who is in heaven" or, more concisely, "your Father, in heaven." Likewise "ὁ υἱὸς τοὺ ἀνθρώπου" should be "The Son who is a human being" or, more concisely, "The Son, a human being."--Andy Schlafly 18:51, 24 June 2014 (EDT) }}
Here you showed that you are not able to parse a Greek sentence, but that you are only try to match patterns at a very basic level (see [[Talk:Son_of_Man#.22Son_of_Man.22]] for details). It is very disappointing, that your knowledge hasn't improved over the last four years, if anything, it seems to deteriorate. I urge you to stop pretending to translate the Bible!
As [[User:Conservative]] observed, even such a short passage may have been to wordy for your taste. Therefore:
'''tl;dr: Andy, you don't have any Greek. Stop recreating the Bible in your image.'''
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:40, 15 March 2015 (EDT)
== New User ==
Hey Andy I Just want to say I Look up to you and your interest in History. As a new user I am a little unfamiliar on how this site works and wat is the proper content to put up. Can you tell me where i can find help? God bless! Kl3m3ntin3.
== Martyrs to the faith ==
Could you please move [[Martyrs to the faith]] to [[Protestant martyrs to the faith]]? It seems to be odd that this title is reserved for Protestant Christians ("''The martyrs to the faith are the Protestants who were executed by Roman Catholics during the Reformation of the 16th century. ''"). In fact, this list and some articles created by [[User:WKirkwood]] in 2008 (like [[George Wishart]]) have an anti-catholic tendency and try to deny that Catholics are Christians, too ("'''Walter Myln''' was a Scottish [[Christian]] and the last [[martyr]] of the [[faith]] who was murdered by [[Roman Catholic]]s in 1558 by burning at the stake in [[St Andrews]]. ") --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:33, 20 March 2015 (EDT)
:Fixed. See: [[Protestant martyrs]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:17, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
== Conservapedia is not displaying right ==
Lately, in about 33-50% of the cases, Conservapedia is not displaying right. The right sidebar is blank or the bottom of pages is blank. I tried two browsers in order to see if it was related to a particular browser and with both browsers I had this same problem.
Do you know what is causing this problem? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:09, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
:I'm not seeing this on Firefox on Windows or Linux, or Internet Explorer on Windows. You know what they always say--reboot and try again. Aren't computers wonderful? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 16:31, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
::I am having this problem with both Firefox and a speedy clone of Google chrome. I don't think this is related to my computer as I have used this computer for years without trouble as far as Conservapedia and I am using the same operating system that I have been using for months.
::In addition, rebooting the computer did not fix the problem. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:53, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
:::Don't know what to say. You're pretty computer-savvy, so you know all about resetting your router, taking your computer to a wifi spot in some local restaurant or whatever, having a friend bring his/her computer to your place, etc. etc.
:::But everything works just fine for me. Except of course for this "atheism and donuts" nonsense all over RC.
:::Your computer isn't an atheist by any chance, is it? :-) Maybe it just wants a donut! [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 18:48, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
I am not going to mess with my router and I am pretty much staying inside while I overcome my flu induced acute bronchitis (it is getting better each day).
Second, the problem is manageable, but annoying.
Third, it is donuts vs. atheism and not atheism and donuts. Donuts are clearly winning and successfully attacking the soft underbelly of atheism! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:05, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
:I'm sorry to hear that you are unwell. Get plenty of rest, drink fluids, and all that "mom" stuff. And lay off the donuts. :-) The weather in this part of the country has not been conducive to getting outside and getting fresh air and all that, but the forecast is for 44 degrees and no precipitation (but cloudy) on Thursday. I hope you will be well enough to go for a long walk and get fresh air by then. I will do the same. I expect no edits from you on that day, OK? I will do my part by not provoking you.
:Donuts vs. atheism? Atheism and donuts? Is there really a difference? Aren't conflicts like this symmetrical? In any case, I'm very glad to hear that you perceive that donuts are winning this war. But don't eat too many of them! I don't want you to develop a "soft underbelly". I myself am neutral (one might even say "agnostic"!) on this issue. As I said on the other page, I'm not aware of any "culture war" here.
:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:29, 22 March 2015 (EDT)
Get well soon! BTW: It's quite amusing that whenever you are confronted with troubles in the real world (illness, computer problems), your multiple personalities collapse into one! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:35, 22 March 2015 (EDT)
:Touché! I hadn't noticed that. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 11:49, 22 March 2015 (EDT)
:::AugustO, you still haven't address the content/style differences related to the [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]] and the [[homosexuality]]/atheism/evolution articles and the articles most recent title change battle.
:::SamHB, unlike many overweight atheists, I am committed to not eating processed sugar! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:48, 22 March 2015 (EDT)
Have you cleared a browser's cache? On more than one occasion, cross-browser problems have been cured for me by clearing the cache or, in extreme cases, cache and cookies. Although browsers don't share caches, plug-ins can and a corrupted plug-in cache can manifest itself in unpredictable ways. [[User:MelH|MelH]] 12:54, 22 March 2015 (EDT)
:Clearing the browsing history via the browser, logging in/out does offer a degree of relief and so does the cache clearing software package CCleaner which is quite thorough. But they do not solve the problem completely.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:00, 22 March 2015 (EDT)
::After clearing my cache via the browser and using the cache clearing software CCleaner, Conservapedia just retained my log in status even after I had logged out before doing this cache clearing procedure. This is very strange. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:37, 22 March 2015 (EDT)
:::The problem stopped. I changed my antivirus protection recently. Maybe that was the problem. Or perhaps it was my internet provider. Tough to say. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:31, 24 March 2015 (EDT)
==Requesting Ability To Upload Files==
Dear Mr Schlafly
May I request the ability to upload files? I would like to reupload images after losslessly compressing them, to save space on the servers.
Regards, <br>
--[[User:KennethAlberty|KennethAlberty]] 14:46, 2 April 2015 (EDT)
== Picture Upload Request ==
I was wondering if we could get a picture of [[David Perdue|Senator Perdue]] for his page? [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/David_Perdue_official_Senate_photo.jpg/220px-David_Perdue_official_Senate_photo.jpg This picture would be great]. Thanks. [[User:ScottH35|ScottH35]] 18:52, 13 April 2015 (EDT)
:Picture uploaded as requested: [[File:DavidPerdue2015.jpg]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 00:06, 14 April 2015 (EDT)
Thank you for the picture of Senator Perdue. Could we now get one for [[Joe Heck]]? It is amazing how few pictures of our elected officials are on this site! [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Joe_Heck%2C_Official_Portrait%2C_112th_Congress.jpg/640px-Joe_Heck%2C_Official_Portrait%2C_112th_Congress.jpg This picture would be great].[[User:ScottH35|ScottH35]] 15:57, 20 April 2015 (EDT)
== Robert Dicke ==
Andy, you think that Robert Dicke is the greatest American physicists.
*Dicke had no problems with [[E=mc²]] - he thought that it would be "unlikely" that this equation doesn't hold as it fits the experimental observations (see, e.g., Robert Dicke "The Theoretical Significance of Experimental Relativity")
*The Brans-Dicke theory resembles Einstein's Theory much more than Newton's. It doesn't allow for your [[action at a distance]].
*He worked extensively on the equivalence principle, something with which you [[Talk:Biblical_scientific_foreknowledge#GUT|had problems in the past]].
So, why don't you read up on his work, and honor him by understanding his ideas?
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 10:03, 7 May 2015 (EDT)
Have you any evidence - besides your gut-feeling - that Dicke was denied the Nobel prize because of his ideas regarding the General Theory of Relativity? It could be that the committee took umbrage because he rather belatedly acknowledged the work of Gamov, Alpher, and Herman:
{{cquote|"There is one unfortunate and embarrassing aspect of our work on the fire-ball radiation. We failed to make an adequate literature search and missed the more important papers of Gamow, Alpher and Herman. I must take the major blame for this, for the others in our group were too young to know these old papers. In ancient times I had heard Gamow talk at Princeton but I had remembered his model universe as cold and initially filled only with neutrons." |||Robert Dicke, in ''The Discoveries: Great Breakthroughs in 20th-Century Science'', by Alan Lightman, ISBN-13: 9780375713453}}
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:32, 14 May 2015 (EDT)
== All non-administrators are blocked from editing Conservapedia ==
Andy,
All non-administrators are blocked from editing Conservapedia. I confirmed this matter via a non-adminstrator account that I set up months ago and used for one edit as an experiment.
AugustO recently told me this and another editor as well.
Can you please fix this problem? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:19, 8 May 2015 (EDT)
=Labor Party is humiliated=
This headline needs changing, sorry to say this but it looks sloppy. It is "The Labour Party", a proper noun. "The Conservative Party", again a proper noun with a capital C. The 20 year old in question was a "Scottish National Party" candidate and not Scottish Independence which was not on the agenda at this election. Sorry to sound picky but it is important to get the semantics correct.--[[User:CuthbertA|CuthbertA]] 10:58, 8 May 2015 (EDT)
:I put the word "The" in the headline. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:38, 9 May 2015 (EDT)
::Thank you Conservative. You are right, Labour were trounced. Outside the major urban areas in England and South Wales they have practically no support. Labour needs to carry Scotland to win and Scotland has deserted them.--[[User:CuthbertA|CuthbertA]] 12:00, 9 May 2015 (EDT)
== Hotze ==
So I heard that the 5th Circuit decided ''Hotze v. Burwell'' on April 24, 2015, vacating the decision of the district court and determining that the plaintiffs lacked standing. I was wondering whether you were planning on filing a cert petition or instead starting over with a new plaintiff on the merits of the Origination Clause challenge. Thanks, [[User:GregG|GregG]] 00:43, 23 May 2015 (EDT)
:Greg, thanks for your comment about this! Actually, I plan to file a petition for rehearing ''en banc'' before the full [[Fifth Circuit]], and I need to start working on it soon! My deadline is 45 days after the decision was rendered (ordinarily the deadline is only 14 days, but it is the longer 45 days when the federal government is a party, as in this case).--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 00:57, 23 May 2015 (EDT)
== Rob Smith ==
I agree with User: Conservative about wanting Rob Smith to have admin rights again. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 07:45, 27 May 2015 (EDT)
== Counterexamples to Relativity ==
Andy, please discuss the Biblical counterexamples at [[Talk:Counterexamples_to_Relativity#Action-at-a-distance_according_to_the_Bible]] before putting them back into the article! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:33, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
== Template:Cquote problem ==
Hi Andy, there's a problem with Template:Cquote that I brought up at [[Conservapedia:Community Portal]]. The template is showing up in [[:Category:Speedy deletion candidates]], but the template hasn't been edited since 2012, so it's a puzzle why it would suddenly show up there. Conservative couldn't figure it out, and he suggested I notify you. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] 20:40, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
:cquote works, right? I use it often:
{{cquote|Here is an example.}}--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:45, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
::Yes, as far as I know. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] 21:18, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
:::That is a bizarre mystery why it is showing up in that category now. I cannot explain it. Obviously cquote should not be deleted.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:33, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
Try to delete <span style="background:lightgrey"><nowiki><noinclude>{{lorem ipsum}}</noinclude></nowiki></span> from the template: could be the reason... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 01:41, 11 June 2015 (EDT)
::::AugustO, thanks. I fixed the problem using your suggestion. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:00, 11 June 2015 (EDT)