Block, SkipCaptcha, Automoderated users, edit
5,230
edits
Changes
Jump to navigation
Jump to search
Line 292:
Line 292: + + + + + + + + + + + +
Talk:Essay:Greatest Conservative Movies (view source)
Revision as of 20:48, August 8, 2015
, 20:48, August 8, 2015→Should Beauty and the Beast really be on here?: new section
::You're welcome. I took the liberty of moving Star Wars to "Debatable whether conservative" largely because there actually have been some hints at a left-wing agenda in the film (I think Empire Strikes Back is the only film with narely a shred of leftism, actually), including promotion of the Vietcong and demonizing American involvement in the Vietnam War, as well as adding in some sources and additional stuff to the Beauty and the Beast thing (that reminds me, I may need to make a new topic regarding that). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 16:10, 8 August 2015 (EDT)
::You're welcome. I took the liberty of moving Star Wars to "Debatable whether conservative" largely because there actually have been some hints at a left-wing agenda in the film (I think Empire Strikes Back is the only film with narely a shred of leftism, actually), including promotion of the Vietcong and demonizing American involvement in the Vietnam War, as well as adding in some sources and additional stuff to the Beauty and the Beast thing (that reminds me, I may need to make a new topic regarding that). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 16:10, 8 August 2015 (EDT)
== Should Beauty and the Beast really be on here? ==
Hi.
Should Beauty and the Beast really be among even the Debatable whether Conservative page, let alone the Greatest Conservative Movies section?
I initially moved it from the Greatest Conservative movies section to Debatable whether Conservative section due to certain things that were being subtly pushed in the film (and speaking as someone who had to be forced to ingest a lot of tripe in college that was the same as what BATB pushed, I can recognize it when I see it and am doubtful it makes for conservative material), but right now, I'm not sure whether it even belongs there, either. If anything, it's probably a better fit for the Worst Liberal Movies article.
The first reason why I think this is simple: [http://articles.mcall.com/1991-11-22/features/2825583_1_beast-s-castle-fairy-tale-madame-gabrielle There] [http://time.com/2798136/maleficent-beauty-beast-writer/ are] [http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1992-01-25/lifestyle/9201241028_1_linda-woolverton-belle-show-scripts more] [http://www.mouseplanet.com/8500/Linda_Woolverton_and_Belle than] [http://girlsincapes.com/2014/04/07/princess-evolution/ a] [https://web.archive.org/web/20111009063303/http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/1991/11/17/just-the-way-walt-made-em.html few] [http://www.urj.ucf.edu/vol5issue2/dickens/essay.php articles] on the development process that make it pretty clear from the writing staff, especially Linda Woolverton, that the film was supposed to push the feminist agenda (heck, Woolverton herself even explicitly stated that she modeled Belle after the Women's Movement in Time Magazine), and Woolverton also made it pretty clear in interviews that she believed the princesses before her were weak, insipid creatures that only wanted marriage and love as goals, and only waited for their prince to come (she even included, rather insultingly, Ariel from ''The Little Mermaid'' among those characters despite that character being very proactive). There was also a rather subtle anti-family/anti-marriage agenda being pushed considering Belle reacted with disgust to the idea of even having children and also being treated as being in the right for shoving her suitor into the mud instead of just saying no and apparently taking amusement in ruining a wedding. It also doesn't help that the opening song and Gaston himself strongly implied that Belle's literacy was not supported at all by the rest of the village. It also doesn't help that most of the men aren't really treated in a very flattering light (let's see, Gaston, LeFou, and most of the village males are painted in a rather negative light, Cogsworth was depicted as a pompous jerk, Lumiere's a womanizer, and Beast was mostly a jerk even with his complexity), and the women who actually seem to value marriage weren't treated well either (those blonde triplets were called the bimbettes despite their not actually doing anything that would mandate them being called bimbos besides supporting marriage). Heck, Lumiere's womanizing is treated as an implied virtue as well, and Belle ends up being treated as being in the right far too many times especially in instances that actually were largely her own fault (like the wolf attack scene). Heck, the film actually seems to push [[misandry]], and the [http://beautybeast.enchanted-rose.org/library/displayimage.php?pid=13702&fullsize=1 Disney Comics] and [http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141210031917/disney/images/2/20/Tumblr_ng92xaGNbc1r2nlopo1_500.jpg WDW pins] don't exactly help in quelling any concerns for the film's agenda either. Heck, Belle was even cited by Woolverton to be based on herself. If feminism could get Princess and the Frog and Pocahontas onto the Worst Liberal Movies page, this most certainly can as well.
Probably the second reason, and probably the most damning, is the fact that Beauty and the Beast and some of its writing was actually reused for the 2014 ''Maleficent'' movie (which, BTW, both films were even written by the same person: Linda Woolverton). Keep in mind, the ''Maleficent'' movie was the kind of film that ''The Federalist'' actually [http://thefederalist.com/2014/06/06/maleficent-once-upon-a-screed/ denounced] as pushing an extreme left-wing agenda, so if Beauty and the Beast inspired a movie in writing that was probably undebatably one of the worst liberal movies, that's a strong case going against Beauty and the Beast being even a slightly conservative film. Maybe I'm a bit screwed up in my thinking, maybe I am actually right. I don't know. But what I do know is that there's plenty in the film that would strongly suggest against it even being debatably conservative, let alone fully conservative. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 16:48, 8 August 2015 (EDT)