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:::I got a dead link on the video; in good faith, I'll work with you on this, let me warn you however, most of this is easily debunkable. And let's begin with the ABC [http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Vote2004/story?id=166434&page=1] piece which uses this terminology, "official account", "According to the military citation", "According to Kerry's medal citation", "According to the Navy's official report", and ''still'' a few other references to the same, the Swift Boat Vets contention is '''John Kerry wrote all this'''. So ''ABC News'' is being a little disengenous here, if not outright deceptive, in not even addressing the fundemental issues under contention. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 15:49, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
:::I got a dead link on the video; in good faith, I'll work with you on this, let me warn you however, most of this is easily debunkable. And let's begin with the ABC [http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Vote2004/story?id=166434&page=1] piece which uses this terminology, "official account", "According to the military citation", "According to Kerry's medal citation", "According to the Navy's official report", and ''still'' a few other references to the same, the Swift Boat Vets contention is '''John Kerry wrote all this'''. So ''ABC News'' is being a little disengenous here, if not outright deceptive, in not even addressing the fundemental issues under contention. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 15:49, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
::Firstly, as I understand it, even in the unlikely though somewhat plausible case of Kerry writing all the pertinent documents that would later become the official record off which his commendations were based, these same documents also have to undergo review to be considered as much. It was, in fact, reviewed by two of the SWVTs themselves, Captains George Elliott and Adrian Lonsdale. [http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50914FE3D5A0C738EDDA10894DC404482 From the New York Times]
:::But Mr. Elliott and Mr. Lonsdale, who handled reports going up the line for recognition, have previously said that a medal would be awarded only if there was corroboration from others and that they had thoroughly corroborated the accounts.
"Witness reports were reviewed; battle reports were reviewed," Mr. Lonsdale said at the 1996 news conference, adding, "It was a very complete and carefully orchestrated procedure." In his statements Mr. Elliott described the action that day as "intense" and "unusual."
::For these two men who reviewed the record and recommendation for citation to come out 35 years later and say they were fabricated is flatout ridiculous. Likewise, for John O'Neil, Head-Swiftie, to come out and challenge the official record decades after the war with accusations and allegations and no real evidence outside of the testimony of a group of politically-minded veterans is equally ridiculous.
::You know what though, yes, I agree that ABC would have better spent their time pointing out how little evidence there is to support the Swift Boat's claims and showing how members of the group are responsible for the construction of the "official record" that they claim was falsified. However, that doesnt make the Swifties any more truthful.--[[User:RexMundane|RexMundane]] 16:22, 20 April 2007 (EDT)