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Line 1: − + − For biography, ''The Chicago Manual of Style'' recommends ''Merriam-Webster’s Biographical Dictionary'' and ''International Who's Who''.<ref>A full list is [http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/16/bib4.html here].</ref> For geography, CMOS recommends ''Merriam-Webster's Geographical Dictionary''.<ref>CMOS, p. 403, “For the spelling of names of places, consult ''Merriam-Webster’s Geographical Dictionary.''</ref> Together these works give hundreds of Vietnamese names, invariably without diacritics. An encyclopedia should give the reader the correct English-language name of the subject, which in this case is something that all the relevant references and style guides agree on. Line 100:
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User:PeterKa/Diacritics proposal (view source)
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'''Is it "pho" or "phở"? Why Vietnamese diacritics don't belong in English-language writing.'''
'''Is it "pho" or "phở"? Why Vietnamese diacritics don't belong in English-language writing.'''
* '''No widely used reference work includes Vietnamese diacritics'''. The major U.S. style guides recommend Merriam-Webster spelling.<ref>''Chicago Manual of the Style'', p. 350. “For general matters of spelling, the University of Chicago Press recommends using...''Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary''."<br>CMOS, p. 350. “Although the University of Chicago press uses Webster as its spelling authority, the use of other standard dictionaries such as the ''American Heritage Dictionary'' and the ''Random House Dictionary of the English Language'' is also acceptable.”<br>CMOS, p. 387. “For the names of well-known deceased persons, Chicago generally follows the spelling in ''Merriam-Webster’s Biographical Dictionary'' or the biographical section of ''Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary.''”<br>American Psychological Association, "[http://www.apastyle.org/learn/faqs/preferred-spelling.aspx APA Style]", "The APA Publication Manual recommends ''Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary'' (2005) as the standard spelling reference."<br>Gibaldi, Joseph, ''MLA Handbook for Writers of Research Papers'' (2003), p. 61. "Your instructor will probably recommend a standard American dictionary such as ''The American Heritage College Dictionary'', ''Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary'', or ''Random House Webster College Dictionary''."</ref> British guides recommend Oxford spelling.<ref>''New Hart's Rules'' (2014), p. 48. “A good dictionary such as ''Concise Oxford English Dictionary'' or ''The Oxford Dictionary of English'' should be consulted on matters of spelling and inflection."</ref> Both Merriam-Webster and Oxford give Vietnamese names without diacritics. (See the chart below.)
* '''No widely used reference work includes Vietnamese diacritics'''. U.S. style guides generally recommend Merriam-Webster spelling.<ref>''Chicago Manual of the Style'', p. 350. “For general matters of spelling, the University of Chicago Press recommends using...''Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary''."<br>CMOS, p. 350. “Although the University of Chicago press uses Webster as its spelling authority, the use of other standard dictionaries such as the ''American Heritage Dictionary'' and the ''Random House Dictionary of the English Language'' is also acceptable.”<br>CMOS, p. 387. “For the names of well-known deceased persons, Chicago generally follows the spelling in ''Merriam-Webster’s Biographical Dictionary'' or the biographical section of ''Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary.''”<br>American Psychological Association, "[http://www.apastyle.org/learn/faqs/preferred-spelling.aspx APA Style]", "The APA Publication Manual recommends ''Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary'' (2005) as the standard spelling reference."<br>Gibaldi, Joseph, ''MLA Handbook for Writers of Research Papers'' (2003), p. 61. "Your instructor will probably recommend a standard American dictionary such as ''The American Heritage College Dictionary'', ''Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary'', or ''Random House Webster College Dictionary''."</ref> This recommendation is followed by all the major reference works:
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| colspan="10" |The U.S. Board on Geographic Names sets U.S. government usage in geography. The “conventional” name is the name BGN deems suitable for English language usage. The “approved” name is the official name in the local language (or official Romanization if the local script is non-Latin).
| colspan="10" |The U.S. Board on Geographic Names sets U.S. government usage in geography. The “conventional” name is the name BGN deems suitable for English language usage. The “approved” name is the official name in the local language (or official Romanization if the local script is non-Latin).
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For biography, ''The Chicago Manual of Style'' recommends ''Merriam-Webster’s Biographical Dictionary'' and ''International Who's Who''.<ref>A full list is [http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/16/bib4.html here].</ref> For geography, CMOS recommends ''Merriam-Webster's Geographical Dictionary''.<ref>CMOS, p. 403, “For the spelling of names of places, consult ''Merriam-Webster’s Geographical Dictionary.''</ref> British style guides recommend Oxford spelling.<ref>''New Hart's Rules'' (2014), p. 48. “A good dictionary such as ''Concise Oxford English Dictionary'' or ''The Oxford Dictionary of English'' should be consulted on matters of spelling and inflection."</ref> An encyclopedia should give the reader the correct English-language name of the subject, which in this case is something that all the relevant references and style guides agree on.
*'''Other library reference works don't use them either.''' See ''Encyclopedia of Modern Asia'' (2002), Spencer Tucker's ''Encyclopedia of the Vietnam War'' (2011), ''Encyclopedia of Modern Asia'' (2002), ''Lonely Planet Vietnam'', ''National Geographic Atlas of the World'', and ''The Columbia Gazetteer of the World''.<ref>I found these works in the reference section of the main library in Taipei, as well as in the reference section of the University of Minnesota Library. In addition, U of M has ''Southeast Asia: A Historical Encyclopedia'' (2004), which does use Vietnamese diacritics. This work is by ABC-CLIO, the same publisher as EVW. Like the first edition of EVW, it has numerous diacritic mistakes.</ref> ''The Cambridge History of Southeast Asia'' (1993), the top specialist work on Vietnamese history, also drops the diacritics.
*'''Other library reference works don't use them either.''' See ''Encyclopedia of Modern Asia'' (2002), Spencer Tucker's ''Encyclopedia of the Vietnam War'' (2011), ''Encyclopedia of Modern Asia'' (2002), ''Lonely Planet Vietnam'', ''National Geographic Atlas of the World'', and ''The Columbia Gazetteer of the World''.<ref>I found these works in the reference section of the main library in Taipei, as well as in the reference section of the University of Minnesota Library. In addition, U of M has ''Southeast Asia: A Historical Encyclopedia'' (2004), which does use Vietnamese diacritics. This work is by ABC-CLIO, the same publisher as EVW. Like the first edition of EVW, it has numerous diacritic mistakes.</ref> ''The Cambridge History of Southeast Asia'' (1993), the top specialist work on Vietnamese history, also drops the diacritics.
*'''It's the style followed in the books people are actually reading.''' Look up any Vietnam-related topic on [http://www.amazon.com Amazon], sorted by "New and Popular." I guarantee that the top results will all be diacritics-free, at least as far as the running text is concerned.
*'''It's the style followed in the books people are actually reading.''' Look up any Vietnam-related topic on [http://www.amazon.com Amazon], sorted by "New and Popular." I guarantee that the top results will all be diacritics-free, at least as far as the running text is concerned.