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:Ed regarding your first point, why do we need more than a sentence to distinguish between those things? Why not incorporate it into what was there already. Your second point seems to support my point that Conservative should not have deleted the example I gave of an homophobic attack. I don't think a fresh start is needed and we should work with what is already here! [[User:MatteeNeutra|MatteeNeutra]] 12:59, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
:Ed regarding your first point, why do we need more than a sentence to distinguish between those things? Why not incorporate it into what was there already. Your second point seems to support my point that Conservative should not have deleted the example I gave of an homophobic attack. I don't think a fresh start is needed and we should work with what is already here! [[User:MatteeNeutra|MatteeNeutra]] 12:59, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
==The science==
Here's a cite and some material, [http://www.narth.com/docs/coll-breiner.html HOMOPHOBIA: A Scientific Non-Political Definition], Dr. Sander J. Breiner, National Association for Research and Theraphy on Homosexuality, 2003.
Here's a cite and some material, [http://www.narth.com/docs/coll-breiner.html HOMOPHOBIA: A Scientific Non-Political Definition], Dr. Sander J. Breiner, National Association for Research and Theraphy on Homosexuality, 2003.
(undent)RobS, what's your source for stating that homophobia is a clinical diagnosis? It's not a specific diagnosis according to the APA diagnostic manual. It could fall under Specific Phobia, but there's no diagnosis of homphobia. And for someone to meet the criteria for that diagnosis, they'd need (a) marked, persistent fear that's excessive and unreasonable of gay people (b) exposure to gay people would provoke an immediate and fairly severe anxiety response (c) they'd have to recognize it as an unreasonable fear (d) it would have to interfere with daily functioning, among other things. [[User:Murray|Murray]] 16:13, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
(undent)RobS, what's your source for stating that homophobia is a clinical diagnosis? It's not a specific diagnosis according to the APA diagnostic manual. It could fall under Specific Phobia, but there's no diagnosis of homphobia. And for someone to meet the criteria for that diagnosis, they'd need (a) marked, persistent fear that's excessive and unreasonable of gay people (b) exposure to gay people would provoke an immediate and fairly severe anxiety response (c) they'd have to recognize it as an unreasonable fear (d) it would have to interfere with daily functioning, among other things. [[User:Murray|Murray]] 16:13, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
:Murray, see cite at the top of this subhead ==The science==
:MatteeNeutra, This proves an interesting test case; there apparantly is a difference between "common usage", and "liberal common usage", but I do not wish to derail a constructive discussion with partisan politics. Point is, the so-called "common usage" is a misnomer. And it was done by certain agenda driven groups, with the assistance of a sympathetic agenda driven media & entertainment industry, and probably even academics. Our purpose here at CP is not to rubber stamp causes like this, or to promote discrimination and criminalization of a certifiably mentally-handicapped condition. Quite the contrary, our Commnadments require us to use facts, not common misnomers.
:Now, let's discuss some of these dissenting concerns, and use an illustration. In the Matthew Shepard case for instance, Shepard's convicted killer I beleive may have been diagnosed as a genuine homophobe, and while we don't have access to his medical records, this may be a case were a latent homosexual homophobe acted violently. Perhaps now we understand one reaason it is considered a mental illness by the American Psyciatric Association. But that still is not to say all homophobes are violent homophobes. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 16:22, 25 April 2007 (EDT)