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Line 191: + + − We seem to be straining the meaning of "belief" here. Perhaps, Terry, you could explain how your somewhat bizarre definition of belief is related to the one in the dictionary? I mean, for instance, as a Christian, I believe in redemption through Jesus Christ. If I were to tell my children, "thats what I believe, but you decide" and then they decide NOT to believe that, are they still Christians?--[[User:JoyousOne|JoyousOne]] 17:16, 25 April 2007 (EDT)+ +
→Generalizations: definitions of belief, to respond to Joyous' question
None of the quotation you placed here is originated by the Church of Scientology. You got that quote from a critical website, which got its information from what it says are stolen documents. Why should anyone consider such a poor source of information to contribute to Conservapedia? [[User:Terryeo|Terryeo]] 17:11, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
None of the quotation you placed here is originated by the Church of Scientology. You got that quote from a critical website, which got its information from what it says are stolen documents. Why should anyone consider such a poor source of information to contribute to Conservapedia? [[User:Terryeo|Terryeo]] 17:11, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
==Belief==
We seem to be straining the meaning of "belief" here. Perhaps, Terry, you could explain how your somewhat bizarre definition of belief is related to the one in the dictionary? I mean, for instance, as a Christian, I believe in redemption through Jesus Christ. If I were to tell my children, "thats what I believe, but you decide" and then they decide NOT to believe that, are they still Christians?--[[User:JoyousOne|JoyousOne]] 17:16, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
'''Belief''' [http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=belief several dictionarys] The Random House Unabridged says; 4. ''a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith: the Christian belief.'' I think this is precisely the definition you mean for us to be working with. As I have earlier stated, the Church of Scientology does not present belief, nor does it deny belief. The definition I have been working with does not disinclude yours. The Random House Dictionary goes on to say; <blockquote>—Synonyms 1. view, tenet, conclusion, persuasion. 2. assurance. Belief, certainty, conviction refer to acceptance of, or confidence in, an alleged fact or body of facts as true or right without positive knowledge or proof. '''Belief is such acceptance in general: belief in astrology.'''</blockquote> Scientology does not deny, nor support a person believing. Instead it says, (paraphrased) "A person may believe as they wish, what is true for them, is true for themseleves." -[[User:Terryeo|Terryeo]] 17:50, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
:Terry, Im sorry if I wasn't clear here...the answer to the above is "no". If they do not hold Christian beliefs, they are not Christians. If you do not believe in Scientology's teachings you are not a Scientologist. It is really too simple a concept to waste words on, and I'm not sure why you are parsing the meaning of belief so crookedly.--[[User:JoyousOne|JoyousOne]] 17:38, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
:Terry, Im sorry if I wasn't clear here...the answer to the above is "no". If they do not hold Christian beliefs, they are not Christians. If you do not believe in Scientology's teachings you are not a Scientologist. It is really too simple a concept to waste words on, and I'm not sure why you are parsing the meaning of belief so crookedly.--[[User:JoyousOne|JoyousOne]] 17:38, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
:: Scientology would neither affirm nor deny their beliefs, nor the validity of their beliefs. Nor would I. [[User:Terryeo|Terryeo]] 17:50, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
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