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Talk:Harvard abortion study (view source)
Revision as of 02:17, April 26, 2007
, 02:17, April 26, 2007further reply to Murray
::::Andy, I have read the studies. I find it ironic that you falsely claim that I haven't, then dismiss them while proclaiming that you haven't either. If you'll bother to look at the list again, I've listed some details of the methods and the results of many of them, and I will add more as I have time. Perhaps you could clarify what exactly your issue is with the Lancet article. As I said above, it combined data from a number of previous studies and analyzed it. I will quote from it: "...neither the results from the individual studies nor their weighted average suggest any adverse effect on the subsequent risk of breast cancer for women with prospective records of having had one or more pregnancies that ended as an induced abortion, compared with women having no record of such a pregnancy. Furthermore, among the studies with prospective records of induced abortion, no significant variation in the results was found between those with objective and those with self reported information" p. 1010. If you want to claim that doesn't deny that abortion increases breast cancer go right ahead, but your logic is difficult to follow. I guess the collaborative attitude disappears when the data make you unhappy. You don't have to believe the data are accurate, but to deny them without bothering to look is ridiculous. [[User:Murray|Murray]] 21:56, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
::::Andy, I have read the studies. I find it ironic that you falsely claim that I haven't, then dismiss them while proclaiming that you haven't either. If you'll bother to look at the list again, I've listed some details of the methods and the results of many of them, and I will add more as I have time. Perhaps you could clarify what exactly your issue is with the Lancet article. As I said above, it combined data from a number of previous studies and analyzed it. I will quote from it: "...neither the results from the individual studies nor their weighted average suggest any adverse effect on the subsequent risk of breast cancer for women with prospective records of having had one or more pregnancies that ended as an induced abortion, compared with women having no record of such a pregnancy. Furthermore, among the studies with prospective records of induced abortion, no significant variation in the results was found between those with objective and those with self reported information" p. 1010. If you want to claim that doesn't deny that abortion increases breast cancer go right ahead, but your logic is difficult to follow. I guess the collaborative attitude disappears when the data make you unhappy. You don't have to believe the data are accurate, but to deny them without bothering to look is ridiculous. [[User:Murray|Murray]] 21:56, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
::: Murray, you have a falsehood on your talk page about the Lancet article, and you're apparently sticking to it. I'm not going to spend all night arguing with you any more than I would spend all night arguing with Oprah Winfrey about her defense of the false book, or Wikipedia's defense of the fake editor. Your quote from Lancet does '''not''' deny that abortion increases breast cancer. It compares the effect of an abortion to a mythical lack of pregnancy. It does [[not]] deny that the pregnant woman increases her risk of breast cancer by having the abortion. If you don't grasp the distinction, then please read, and reread, and reread, until you do. Also, Lancet was not a study.
::: Earlier you said you "read the methods and results sections of all of them at some point, if not the intros and discussions." Now you say something quite different, that you "read the studies." Which is it? Regardless, if you read the Lancet article and still insist on calling it a "study" that denies that abortion increases breast cancer, then your persistence in this falsehood would be enough cause for concern.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 22:17, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
Ok, I read the study and have a few comments about the study article ...
Ok, I read the study and have a few comments about the study article ...