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If you disagree with my maths, please point out the step where I have made an error. [[User:Richardm|Richardm]] ([[User talk:Richardm|talk]]) 09:50, 26 September 2016 (EDT)
 
If you disagree with my maths, please point out the step where I have made an error. [[User:Richardm|Richardm]] ([[User talk:Richardm|talk]]) 09:50, 26 September 2016 (EDT)
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:You did make an error, and I'm going to repeat what I have said, because I don't think you understand the situation.
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::1. You stated above ''"I am arguing that the second law does not apply to open systems."''  You claimed above that the earth is an open system.  The earth gets its energy from one source: the sun.  Turn the earth away from the sun, and what happens?  It's called ''entropy'', something you are denying is happening in an open system.
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::2.  It's a proven fact that heat always goes from warm to cold, and not the other way around; to do the opposite, to get cold to flow to warm, requires an energy source, i.e. the sun reheating that side of the earth when night turns to day.  Entropy will never ever decrease unless that energy source happens.  The same thing happens in a refrigerator; you can use the heat generated by the machinery inside it to send that cold air throughout it, ''but you gotta plug the thing into a wall socket to give it some power first!''
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:You have to stick with the facts.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 12:32, 26 September 2016 (EDT)
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