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::::::: That sounds more like an objection to Baraminology on the grounds that the supernatural is involved, rather than an objection of any substance.  And I don't accept that you can't ever tell that two creatures are definitely not in the same baramin.  You probably can't ''at present'', but an improved knowledge of the genetic code might allow us to determine that in the future.  And I don't think that there are biblical problems with baraminology.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:32, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

::::::: That sounds more like an objection to Baraminology on the grounds that the supernatural is involved, rather than an objection of any substance.  And I don't accept that you can't ever tell that two creatures are definitely not in the same baramin.  You probably can't ''at present'', but an improved knowledge of the genetic code might allow us to determine that in the future.  And I don't think that there are biblical problems with baraminology.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:32, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

:::::::: If my objections were involvement of the supernatural that would be a serious problem by itself not an objection lacking substance. Once the supernatural is involved, experiments are useless. However, the problem is more serious than that- even without supernatural intervention, one still cannot say that any two animals are not in the same baramin. (It isn't at all clear how genetics would help matters. And if anything, baraminologists have rejected using genetics as a determinant because it almost certainly would put humans and chimps into the same baramin (citation forthcoming, give me a day or so)). Furthermore, there are serious Biblical problems- Leviticus 19:19 doesn't make much sense if baraminology is correct and moreover might even imply that attempts to interbreed to determine baramins are sinful. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 11:45, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

:::::::: If my objections were involvement of the supernatural that would be a serious problem by itself not an objection lacking substance. Once the supernatural is involved, experiments are useless. However, the problem is more serious than that- even without supernatural intervention, one still cannot say that any two animals are not in the same baramin. (It isn't at all clear how genetics would help matters. And if anything, baraminologists have rejected using genetics as a determinant because it almost certainly would put humans and chimps into the same baramin (citation forthcoming, give me a day or so)). Furthermore, there are serious Biblical problems- Leviticus 19:19 doesn't make much sense if baraminology is correct and moreover might even imply that attempts to interbreed to determine baramins are sinful. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 11:45, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

==Genetic degradation ==

==Genetic degradation ==