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:One last thing of note.  The Fellowship of the New Life, which was where the Fabian Society was born, was highly influenced by the Leo Tolstoy, a Christian socialist.(Some would say Christian anarchist, but in this context the difference is lacking a distinction)  The point being, I have little doubt that it's accurate.  Keep in mind, that when he says "Methodism" he clearly, absolutely, only means the '''''Christian socialist''''' portions of Methodism and not all of Methodism.
 
:One last thing of note.  The Fellowship of the New Life, which was where the Fabian Society was born, was highly influenced by the Leo Tolstoy, a Christian socialist.(Some would say Christian anarchist, but in this context the difference is lacking a distinction)  The point being, I have little doubt that it's accurate.  Keep in mind, that when he says "Methodism" he clearly, absolutely, only means the '''''Christian socialist''''' portions of Methodism and not all of Methodism.
 
:As I've been typing this, I have been looking things up.  You can probably disregard much of what I have typed above(though I will leave it as I typed it because it is good foundational information) in a sense, because it is only general, not specific  See [https://books.google.com/books?id=sbAADQAAQBAJ&pg=PA135 this], its specific.  Christian socialists(throw in Labour and the Fabians, of course) created a "Labour Church", and between the 1910's to the mid 1930's, the "movement" seems to be that they were largely Methodists, or perhaps the more notable members were.  So what I had typed earlier in speculation was correct: The Christian socialists at some point expanded into Methodism.  I will say this again though: when he says "Methodism" he clearly, absolutely, only means the '''''Christian socialist''''' portions of Methodism and not all of Methodism. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 00:25, 21 December 2016 (EST)
 
:As I've been typing this, I have been looking things up.  You can probably disregard much of what I have typed above(though I will leave it as I typed it because it is good foundational information) in a sense, because it is only general, not specific  See [https://books.google.com/books?id=sbAADQAAQBAJ&pg=PA135 this], its specific.  Christian socialists(throw in Labour and the Fabians, of course) created a "Labour Church", and between the 1910's to the mid 1930's, the "movement" seems to be that they were largely Methodists, or perhaps the more notable members were.  So what I had typed earlier in speculation was correct: The Christian socialists at some point expanded into Methodism.  I will say this again though: when he says "Methodism" he clearly, absolutely, only means the '''''Christian socialist''''' portions of Methodism and not all of Methodism. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 00:25, 21 December 2016 (EST)
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Phillips' claim has gotten a lot of attention over the years, it seems.  I just noticed that this book, which I just cited: "''Labour and the Free Churches, 1918-1939: Radicalism, Righteousness and Religion''" has as its goal of answering that very question - was Phillips correct?  See the [https://books.google.com/books?id=sbAADQAAQBAJ&source=gbs_navlinks_s description page].  I have never read the book, but it probably has all the answers sought after. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 00:30, 21 December 2016 (EST)
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