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:Another problem is that there was no very dominant founder or founders of conservatism who defined what exactly what it means to be a conservative.  So you have competing notions of what is truly conservative. You also have completing notions due to differing notions of what it is to be a conservative due to countries/regions having different political definitions of what it means to be a conservative. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])
 
:Another problem is that there was no very dominant founder or founders of conservatism who defined what exactly what it means to be a conservative.  So you have competing notions of what is truly conservative. You also have completing notions due to differing notions of what it is to be a conservative due to countries/regions having different political definitions of what it means to be a conservative. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])
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:Fair enough about removing Saw. I realize more or less shut down my own argument, when I said that Jigsaw was playing God. [[User:newconservative|newconservative]] ([[User talk:newconservative|talk]])
    
== Suggestion to remove suicide squad and zootopia. ==
 
== Suggestion to remove suicide squad and zootopia. ==
    
I feel both should be removed for their own respective reasons. Zootopia's themes are decidedly liberal, and as critics pointed out there seems to be quite a bit of anti-Donald Trump, pro-gay subtext that I feel effectively rules this film out as "conservative.]," so to speak. While certain "conservative" themes may or may not be present, the general intent of the filmmakers have to be taken into account, and this film certainly leans to the left in that regard (still a great movie though). At the very least, I believe this should be moved to 'debatable.' I'm also quite confused to the addition of Suicide Squad. Besides the obvious fact that the received, at best, mixed critical and audience reception, the movie doesn't appear to have any sort of real political agenda aside from making money. Harley Quinn's fantasies about becoming a housewife become less inspiring when you take into a account that she's a deluded psychopath trapped in an abusive relationship with an equally insane partner who also happens to be underworld crime boss, and that the scene was more likely intended as a satirical jab at the "nuclear family" stereotype.--[[User: Lord Zedd|Lord Zedd]] 11 January 2017
 
I feel both should be removed for their own respective reasons. Zootopia's themes are decidedly liberal, and as critics pointed out there seems to be quite a bit of anti-Donald Trump, pro-gay subtext that I feel effectively rules this film out as "conservative.]," so to speak. While certain "conservative" themes may or may not be present, the general intent of the filmmakers have to be taken into account, and this film certainly leans to the left in that regard (still a great movie though). At the very least, I believe this should be moved to 'debatable.' I'm also quite confused to the addition of Suicide Squad. Besides the obvious fact that the received, at best, mixed critical and audience reception, the movie doesn't appear to have any sort of real political agenda aside from making money. Harley Quinn's fantasies about becoming a housewife become less inspiring when you take into a account that she's a deluded psychopath trapped in an abusive relationship with an equally insane partner who also happens to be underworld crime boss, and that the scene was more likely intended as a satirical jab at the "nuclear family" stereotype.--[[User: Lord Zedd|Lord Zedd]] 11 January 2017
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