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:The Gestapo did not have Waffen-SS officers "per se" in it; but, as you may know, general SS officers could belong to different braches of the SS at the same time. They could even have one rank in the Allgemeine SS (general SS) and a different rank in the Waffen-SS; Hermann Fegelein is an example of that or they could have rank in the general SS and Gestapo like Heinrich Müller. Müller was first chief of operations of the Gestapo under Gestapo chief Heydrich (who Himmler made the first director/chief after he obtained control of it in April 1934) and later Müller was the Gestapo chief (1939-1945). The Gestapo did not wear German Army uniforms but in the east at times wore SS uniforms with the Sicherheitsdienst (SD) diamond id. on the sleeve. The Gestapo also used police detective ranks and generally did not wear uniforms (especially in the West and in Germany itself). -- [[User:JohnJustice|JohnJustice]] ([[User talk:JohnJustice|talk]]) 16:59, 22 February 2017 (EST)

:The Gestapo did not have Waffen-SS officers "per se" in it; but, as you may know, general SS officers could belong to different braches of the SS at the same time. They could even have one rank in the Allgemeine SS (general SS) and a different rank in the Waffen-SS; Hermann Fegelein is an example of that or they could have rank in the general SS and Gestapo like Heinrich Müller. Müller was first chief of operations of the Gestapo under Gestapo chief Heydrich (who Himmler made the first director/chief after he obtained control of it in April 1934) and later Müller was the Gestapo chief (1939-1945). The Gestapo did not wear German Army uniforms but in the east at times wore SS uniforms with the Sicherheitsdienst (SD) diamond id. on the sleeve. The Gestapo also used police detective ranks and generally did not wear uniforms (especially in the West and in Germany itself). -- [[User:JohnJustice|JohnJustice]] ([[User talk:JohnJustice|talk]]) 16:59, 22 February 2017 (EST)

::And it's probably safe to say the Gestspo would be virtually powerless investigating an SS officer, but may have been employed on occassion investigating Wehrmacht officers? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|CIA vs Trump. Who's gonna win?]]} 18:14, 22 February 2017 (EST)

::And it's probably safe to say the Gestspo would be virtually powerless investigating an SS officer, but may have been employed on occassion investigating Wehrmacht officers? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|CIA vs Trump. Who's gonna win?]]} 18:14, 22 February 2017 (EST)

:::I cannot think of a time they investigated an SS officer; but yes, they certainly could investigate Wehrmacht officers; working hand-in-hand with the SD. The Hauptamt SS-Gericht (SS Court Main Office) was the internal legal system for conducting investigations, trials, and punishment of SS and police members. -- [[User:JohnJustice|JohnJustice]] ([[User talk:JohnJustice|talk]]) 19:18, 22 February 2017 (EST)  

:::I cannot think of a time they investigated an SS officer after 1939; but yes, they certainly could investigate Wehrmacht officers; working hand-in-hand with the SD. The Hauptamt SS-Gericht (SS Court Main Office) was the internal legal system for conducting investigations, trials, and punishment of SS and police members after it was formed. -- [[User:JohnJustice|JohnJustice]] ([[User talk:JohnJustice|talk]]) 19:18, 22 February 2017 (EST)  

:::: Both the Nazi and Soviet systems are carbon copies of each other. The SS and KGB are the strongarm's of the Party to force regular Army officers to do the Party's will. As the SS grew, the SD was created internally to keep an eye on corruption within SS ranks.  

:::: Both the Nazi and Soviet systems are carbon copies of each other. The SS and KGB are the strongarm's of the Party to force regular Army officers to do the Party's will. As the SS grew, the SD was created internally to keep an eye on corruption within SS ranks.  

::::China and North Korea still use this model and have internal organizations with ominious sounding names like 'Discipline Inspection Commission'.

::::China and North Korea still use this model and have internal organizations with ominious sounding names like 'Discipline Inspection Commission'.

::::Where many history texts err about KGB & SS is in stating they were created to terrorize the civilian population. While they certainly did that, their primary function for being created was to subjugate the one institution the Party deemed a threat to its control - the military - which in both the Russian and German cases had guns and lacked the ideological underpinings of the Party. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|CIA vs Trump. Who's gonna win?]]} 11:30, 23 February 2017 (EST)

::::Where many history texts err about KGB & SS is in stating they were created to terrorize the civilian population. While they certainly did that, their primary function for being created was to subjugate the one institution the Party deemed a threat to its control - the military - which in both the Russian and German cases had guns and lacked the ideological underpinings of the Party. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|CIA vs Trump. Who's gonna win?]]} 11:30, 23 February 2017 (EST)

::::The Red Army show trials and purges of 1938 and the July 20, 1944 attempt to kill Hitler being examples as to ''why'' the KGB & SS were created in the first place. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|CIA vs Trump. Who's gonna win?]]} 12:20, 23 February 2017 (EST)

::::The Red Army show trials and purges of 1938 and the July 20, 1944 attempt to kill Hitler being examples as to ''why'' the KGB & SS were created in the first place. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|CIA vs Trump. Who's gonna win?]]} 12:20, 23 February 2017 (EST)

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