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Talk:Barack Obama Controversies (view source)
Revision as of 23:16, March 21, 2017
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::Now that Obama has shown us how to evade FISA, the law seems a bit pointless. It was a Watergate-inspired reform, like the independent counsel statute. Clinton's treatment of Ken Starr revealed the independent counsel as toothless, at least with respect to Democratic presidents. The FBI was able to blame 9/11 on a FISA screw up, so there is a definite downside to the law. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:39, 21 March 2017 (EDT)
::Now that Obama has shown us how to evade FISA, the law seems a bit pointless. It was a Watergate-inspired reform, like the independent counsel statute. Clinton's treatment of Ken Starr revealed the independent counsel as toothless, at least with respect to Democratic presidents. The FBI was able to blame 9/11 on a FISA screw up, so there is a definite downside to the law. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:39, 21 March 2017 (EDT)
:::If you point out that Obama evaded FISA, here is what happens to you: "[http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/20/media/andrew-napolitano-fox-news/ Andrew Napolitano absent from Fox after citing anonymous spying claims]". [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 17:38, 21 March 2017 (EDT)
:::If you point out that Obama evaded FISA, here is what happens to you: "[http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/20/media/andrew-napolitano-fox-news/ Andrew Napolitano absent from Fox after citing anonymous spying claims]". [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 17:38, 21 March 2017 (EDT)
::::US intelligence sharing predates World War II. In 1939, British intelligence was concerned about American citizens living in New York and New Jersey who would monitor the time of day a ship carrying Lend Lease aid to Britain would leave port. These times were transmitted by code to Nazi Germany, which in turn transmitted via Ultra to U-boats estimated times and locations where a ship would be in transit. British intelligence asked FDR to wiretap these American citizens, but since the US was officially neutral, they had violated no law and there was no probable cause for a wiretap. Through a series of [https://archive.org/stream/foia_Sullivan_William_C._-9/Sullivan_William_C._-9#page/n181/mode/1up/search/William+Sessions Executive Orders], FDR allowed a foreign government to violate the civil rights of American citizens - clearly an impeachable offense. Through a series of Executive Orders over many decades, the practice has become legitimized as cooperative reciprocal intelligence sharing agreements in the interests of national security originating in the face of the Nazi threat. The Snowdon leaks reveal how massive this practice has become. And it is legal, under the guise of national security, outside the purview of FISA courts, cause it isn't the US doing the wiretapping on a common enemy. It remains as secretive and classified as FISA, as you can see (1) Snowden's exile, (2) pressure from the US IC on Fox to fire Napolitano for disclosing classified information, and (3) Mark Levin's reluctance to discuss anything about FISA beyond what has been leaked already. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''CIA v Trump updated score'':CIA 3, Trump 2]]</sup> 19:16, 21 March 2017 (EDT)