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Talk:Essay:Calming the Storm (view source)
Revision as of 21:40, April 4, 2017
, 21:40, April 4, 2017→Statement on Translations: your own source shows that you are wrong: εἶπον is used as aorist to λέγω only when it has the meaning of "say, speak"....
::"John 18:4 indicates that Jesus has generally no need for spontaneous statements." - your claim is silly at best. Jesus spoke spontaneously at times like anyone else. He spoke Aramaic casually and spontaneously, Greek while teaching, and probably Hebrew too. You're simply incorrect in continuing to claim that "ἐπιτάσσω" means "a spoken order." I gave you the citation that explains otherwise. You are incorrect about λέγω also, as this citation explains: [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%B3%CF%89].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 17:14, 4 April 2017 (EDT)
::"John 18:4 indicates that Jesus has generally no need for spontaneous statements." - your claim is silly at best. Jesus spoke spontaneously at times like anyone else. He spoke Aramaic casually and spontaneously, Greek while teaching, and probably Hebrew too. You're simply incorrect in continuing to claim that "ἐπιτάσσω" means "a spoken order." I gave you the citation that explains otherwise. You are incorrect about λέγω also, as this citation explains: [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%B3%CF%89].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 17:14, 4 April 2017 (EDT)
::*(LOL, then counting to ten....) You write: ''"You're simply incorrect in continuing to claim that "ἐπιτάσσω" means "a spoken order." I gave you the citation that explains otherwise."'' You did nothing of this sort! Your citation was ''"ἐπιτιμάω" refers to the judgment itself, not speech."'' ἐπιτιμάω is not the same as ἐπιτάσσω. You have displayed your ignorance of grammar a couple of times, but you should at least be able to read the Greek alphabet and parse words!
::*I'm afraid that ''you'' are incorrect about λέγω - it does not even work grammatically in this context!
::*Most amusing, your source on λέγω contradicts you: Do you remember that you at first didn't recognize that εἶπον was the aorist of λέγω? Well, as your source shows: '''For the meaning "say, speak", forms derived from other roots are more commonly used (suppletion): the future ἐρέω (eréō) and perfect εἴρηκᾰ (eírēka) from εἴρω (eírō), and the aorist εἶπον (eîpon).'''
::*So, used in sense of "to lay down", Mark would have written ἔλεξεν, not εἶπον! But perhaps those words look the same to you.
::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 17:40, 4 April 2017 (EDT)