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::::The mainstream media does promote fake news -- promoting false "facts" and interpretations. The difference between biased reporting and fake news is not as clear-cut as you might think. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:50, 5 April 2017 (EDT)

::::The mainstream media does promote fake news -- promoting false "facts" and interpretations. The difference between biased reporting and fake news is not as clear-cut as you might think. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:50, 5 April 2017 (EDT)

::::Let's separate what is fake news from how it spreads.  For example, a fake news website starts an outrageous "news" story.  Because it is clearly not true, nobody should believe it or repeat it.  However, some people share it on social media, and rarely, a lazy reporter will [http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/07/breitbart-duped-by-fake-news-again/ pick it up in the mainstream media without properly vetting the source.]  More frequently, a fake news site like "Newswatch33" is designed to look like a mainstream media TV news site. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 12:15, 5 April 2017 (EDT)

::::Let's separate what is fake news from how it spreads.  For example, a fake news website starts an outrageous "news" story.  Because it is clearly not true, nobody should believe it or repeat it.  However, some people share it on social media, and rarely, a lazy reporter will [http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/07/breitbart-duped-by-fake-news-again/ pick it up in the mainstream media without properly vetting the source.]  More frequently, a fake news site like "Newswatch33" is designed to look like a mainstream media TV news site. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 12:15, 5 April 2017 (EDT)

::::: [[Susan Rice]]'s narrative of a demonstration initiated by a video was fake news reported by the mainstream media. Going forward, I would suggest we avoid labelling fake news as a pejoritive of either the mainstream or alternative news, and sum it up simply as a modern idiom for the terms "spin", that originated in the 80s, or "propaganda" dating back to WWI. We should simply say it is either spin or propaganda, or a pejorative one side of an issue levels at the other as a put down (rather than the msm's current definition fake news is an invention of the communist Putin and his alt-right allies against the defenders of truth). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''CIA v Trump updated score'':CIA 3, Trump 2]]} 18:35, 5 April 2017 (EDT)

::::: [[Susan Rice]]'s narrative of a demonstration initiated by a video was fake news reported by the mainstream media. Going forward, I would suggest we avoid labelling fake news as a pejoritive of either the mainstream or alternative news, and sum it up simply as a modern idiom for the terms "spin", that originated in the 80s, or "propaganda" dating back to WWI. We should simply say it is either spin or propaganda, or a pejorative one side of an issue levels at the other as a put down.

(Rather than the msm's current definition fake news is an invention of the communist Putin and his alt-right allies against the defenders of truth). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''CIA v Trump updated score'':CIA 3, Trump 2]]} 18:35, 5 April 2017 (EDT)

:::(edit conflict) @DavidB4: Fair enough, but I think JDano's changes were too drastic. He removed pretty much all mention of Trump from the intro (while at the same time inserting a mention of "Russian interference" in the intro (possible POV issue as well there). He also moved some paragraphs well-suited for the intro. He also un-bolded very good evidence that fake news mainly comes from liberals. If someone wants to make changes, please keep these points in mind. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:47, 5 April 2017 (EDT)

:::(edit conflict) @DavidB4: Fair enough, but I think JDano's changes were too drastic. He removed pretty much all mention of Trump from the intro (while at the same time inserting a mention of "Russian interference" in the intro (possible POV issue as well there). He also moved some paragraphs well-suited for the intro. He also un-bolded very good evidence that fake news mainly comes from liberals. If someone wants to make changes, please keep these points in mind. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:47, 5 April 2017 (EDT)

:1) Use of bold italic in that manner is not consistent with our style manual.  I can see it used for exceptionally important points in very long articles or to put one or two words in bold for clarity, but this particular use comes across a desperate and not persuasive.

:1) Use of bold italic in that manner is not consistent with our style manual.  I can see it used for exceptionally important points in very long articles or to put one or two words in bold for clarity, but this particular use comes across a desperate and not persuasive.