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Talk:Essay:Calming the Storm (view source)
Revision as of 20:27, April 6, 2017
, 20:27, April 6, 2017→AugustO: summary of my position: new section
Andy, are you claiming that you have a greater understanding of Greek than Martin Luther? Please, show me one modern expert of the Greek language who is working on the expansion of our knowledge of Greek who shares your insight! There is no one! All current edge translations agree: in Mark, Jesus spoke to the sea. If you can bring such an expert, that should close the case.
Andy, are you claiming that you have a greater understanding of Greek than Martin Luther? Please, show me one modern expert of the Greek language who is working on the expansion of our knowledge of Greek who shares your insight! There is no one! All current edge translations agree: in Mark, Jesus spoke to the sea. If you can bring such an expert, that should close the case.
But I assume that you are unwilling to talk to Greek scholars as that would expose your degree of knowledge... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 15:49, 6 April 2017 (EDT)
But I assume that you are unwilling to talk to Greek scholars as that would expose your degree of knowledge... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 15:49, 6 April 2017 (EDT)
== AugustO: summary of my position ==
Neither Mark, Luke, nor Matthew state explicitly that Jesus staid silent. Luke's and Matthew's record would work with a silent or a spoken command, though in Luke 8:25 the pupils say that the sea "listened" to Jesus. Mark states that Jesus said to the sea "Silence, be still".
Would it have been seen as odd that Jesus talked to the sea - as the sea doesn't have ears? I don't think so: not only did Jesus address other objects without ears verbally (e.g., a fig-tree), [[Herodotus]]'s report on [[Xerxes]] was wildly known: there you had a self-proclaimed god-king who addressed the sea in vain, while Jesus spoke to it and was obeyed. I think that is a powerful contrast which certainly did not went unobserved.
In my opinion it would have been more surprising for the early Christians if there had not been a verbal command: therefore I think that such an absence of a command would have been mentioned. But that is just my opinion and I do not insist on the conclusion.
There is nothing in the texts of Mark, Luke or Matthew which makes Andrew Schlafly's insight compelling: the texts work with a verbal command or (not so well) without - but it takes so much more effort, fantasy, and invention to harmonize these passages with a silent, just observing Jesus.
And to what end? [[Essay:Rebuttal to the "Calming the Storm" essay]] shows that the physics which Andrew Schlafly tries to crowbar into this section does not work out.
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 16:27, 6 April 2017 (EDT)