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Debate:Is religion morally wrong? (view source)
Revision as of 13:45, April 28, 2007
, 13:45, April 28, 2007→Good Luck
As an aside I find this assertion amusing, "As an aside i think that to say that as you grow older you grow wiser is slightly misguided." I'm not so much suprised that someone who believes there is more wisdom in youth than in age doubts the foundations of the philosophies that provided his every waking and sleeping daily need. I wish I were that naive again. [[User:Everwill|Everwill]] 08:21, 27 April 2007 (EDT)
As an aside I find this assertion amusing, "As an aside i think that to say that as you grow older you grow wiser is slightly misguided." I'm not so much suprised that someone who believes there is more wisdom in youth than in age doubts the foundations of the philosophies that provided his every waking and sleeping daily need. I wish I were that naive again. [[User:Everwill|Everwill]] 08:21, 27 April 2007 (EDT)
We, as in humanity, do not know why the laws of physics happen to be the way they are. Maybe there was no choice, and for the universe to have come into existence these laws must have been the way they are. Or maybe there are other explanations. We simply do not know, however again, this admission of lack of knowledge does not mean that I decide that therefore God must be the answer. I simply accept that I do not know everything and then I attempt to find out why such things are the way they are. I do not think that we were lucky to have the laws of physics, I am confident that there is a solid scientific reason that does not allow any greater sentience to have a hand in things and that this reason will become evident in the not to distant future.
::We, as in humanity, do not know why the laws of physics happen to be the way they are. Maybe there was no choice, and for the universe to have come into existence these laws must have been the way they are. Or maybe there are other explanations. We simply do not know, however again, this admission of lack of knowledge does not mean that I decide that therefore God must be the answer. I simply accept that I do not know everything and then I attempt to find out why such things are the way they are. I do not think that we were lucky to have the laws of physics, I am confident that there is a solid scientific reason that does not allow any greater sentience to have a hand in things and that this reason will become evident in the not to distant future.
I do not think there is more wisdom in youth than in age. That is the reason I said 'slightly misguided'. Not totally misguided and not completely idiotic. Just that there are old people who are not wise just as there are young people who are. I do not claim to be one of those young people, I am not wise in any sense, although I do hope to learn from my experiences and others and thus become wise. However many people do not use experience in this way and so do not become wise, just as some people pick up on things quickly and are. I do not doubt the foundations of the philosophies that provide me with such. I doubt the philsophies of Thomas Aquinas, St Anselm and any that have agreed with these two charlatans parading themselves as philosophers.
::I do not think there is more wisdom in youth than in age. That is the reason I said 'slightly misguided'. Not totally misguided and not completely idiotic. Just that there are old people who are not wise just as there are young people who are. I do not claim to be one of those young people, I am not wise in any sense, although I do hope to learn from my experiences and others and thus become wise. However many people do not use experience in this way and so do not become wise, just as some people pick up on things quickly and are. I do not doubt the foundations of the philosophies that provide me with such. I doubt the philsophies of Thomas Aquinas, St Anselm and any that have agreed with these two charlatans parading themselves as philosophers.
[[User:Bolly Ottihw|Bolly Ottihw]] 16:52, 28 April 2007
[[User:Bolly Ottihw|Bolly Ottihw]] 16:52, 28 April 2007
Here's the part of the concept you're having a very difficult time wrapping your head around: "We simply do not know, however again, this admission of lack of knowledge does not mean that I decide that therefore God must be the answer." I agree with you completely. But we can agree that SOMETHING is the answer. Once we agree that something is the answer then we can begin to examine by deduction the properties of that something. It doesn't matter whether we call it God, Luck, Fate, No-alternative. The word we choose to describe that concept doesn't change the concept.
Do you remember the concept of ''i'', the imaginary number from mathematics? Conservapedia doesn't have an article about ''i'' yet, but you can read one from Wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_number | here]. The idea behind ''i'' is that some concepts are not fully understood but still can be examined in an objective manner. According to some Wikipedia editor,
:"''Many other mathematicians were slow to believe in imaginary numbers at first, including Descartes who wrote about them in his La Géométrie, where the term was meant to be derogatory.''"
Thus, I can understand why you are resistant to this concept. But if mathemeticians can do it, so can you. Forget about "God", the word touches a fear-based deep in your psyche. The previous debater wanted to call it Luck. How about for your benefit we call it ''g'', an as-yet unknown causation of the laws of physics and the origins of the universe as God. We might one learn all the properties of ''g'' but right now we don't know the properties of ''g''.
Your proposition is we haven't discovered the imaginary catalyst yet, and therefore ''g'' doesn't exist. It's my opinion that it's silly to think that ''g'' doesn't exist just because we can't understand how ''g'' exists. [[User:Everwill|Everwill]] 09:45, 28 April 2007 (EDT)