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== Manchester terror attack - Please add to Main Page News ==
The Manchester terror attack killed 22 people, injured about 59, and ISIS claimed responsibility for it.[http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05/23/isis-claims-responsibility-for-ariana-grande-concert-attack-in-manchester.html] Why in the world has no one added it yet? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:50, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
:I don't know. It would certainly belong, and Conservative himself mentioned it on this talk page earlier. Was that you, blocked and coming back under the name FTorres?--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 11:22, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
::It has not been posted because the UK is "godless" [http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Essay:_Godless_Britain_is_the_fat_man_of_Europe][http://www.conservapedia.com/Brexit#Godless_Britain.2C_Brexit_and_mental_illness]. It his mind it is probably deserved.--[[User:FTorres|FTorres]] ([[User talk:FTorres|talk]]) 11:32, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Just post the story and prove you are not a heartless hatemonger.--[[User:TtSmith|TtSmith]] ([[User talk:TtSmith|talk]]) 12:00, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
::::Just who are the real hatemongers, Mr. Smith? People on this website, or those in your country who let these terrorists in to kill? [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 12:07, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::Neither; it's the terrorists themselves. Trick question.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 12:11, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
::::::So folk allowing in people who have lost their homes to American aggression are hatemongers? I go for you. PS, what happened to "destroy isis in 30 days"?--[[User:TtSmith|TtSmith]] ([[User talk:TtSmith|talk]]) 12:13, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::::So now it's "blame America" for the problems there. You need a sedative, Smitty. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 12:19, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
::::::::Hey, Karajou added the Manchester bombing, and Conservative added something mentioning its influence on the election. Also, I suspect his name isn't "Smith."--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 13:21, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::It's not. This guy has been trolling before, under the names TrSmith, TtSmith, ElijahT, FrankLa, and perhaps a few more, so he's pretty much the hatemonger that he tries to accuse us of being. Oh well. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 13:26, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
::::::::::I open the page to Conservative massively censoring something. Wonderful. The hatemongers are the terrorists, not the Americans, not the Brits. Asking whether its the 'people on this website or those in your country who let these terrorists in' is a false dichotomy, since the 'people who let these terrorists in' neither A) intentionally let them in nor B) is an opposite point to 'the people of this website'. [[User:Koidevelopment|Vive]] [[User talk:Koidevelopment|Liberté!]] 17:13, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::::Nobody let him in. He was a Brit. [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 15:00, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::::::::::::Technically yes, but that statement distorts the facts. His parents were Lybian refugees (and his brothers and father were arrested[http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05/24/manchester-bomber-salman-abedis-father-was-part-al-qaeda-linked-group-ex-libyan-official-says.html]), and he had just come home from Lybia and Syria, where he presumably trained for what he did.[http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/24/salman-abedi-visited-libya-an-isis-training-hotbed/] He is more Libyan/Muslim than British. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:51, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::and just what or who are we censoring, Koi? The false accusations from liberals? The false dichotomy that comes from liberals? Saying that we should accept all these poor "refugees" and yet be called hatemongers because we've identified the fact that most of them are military-age males with killers hiding within them just Speaks volumes about your kind. This is a conservative website, Koi. You don't like it, leave. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 23:57, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
Thanks for updating MPR, Conservative and Karajou. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:18, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
:The person I banned was someone not creating article content and who engaged in foolish behavior on the talk page. For example, he made it appear that Trump said the USA would defeat ISIS in 30 days once he was in office. Trump said no such thing. Trump said he would have his people come up with a plan to defeat ISIS and the plan would be in place within 30 days. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:24, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::I been following BBC & other reporting on this for two days; the same people who have been expressing concern about terrorism 24/7 for 16 years the BBC and other [[MSM]] were calling 'facsist' 3 days ago. Now they talk this rot that "we all stand together". Nuh ah. No we don't. It's a new ball game. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 23:34, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
== Trump and Alzheimer’s ==
''The Young Turks'' is blaming Roger Stone for this story, so I decided to trace the genealogy:
*"[http://www.theroot.com/does-donald-trump-have-dementia-1794877028 Does Donald Trump Have Dementia?]", ''The Root'', May 3.
*"[http://www.alternet.org/personal-health/video-suggests-trump-suffering-alzheimers The Video That Suggests Trump Is Suffering from Alzheimer's]," ''Alternet'', May 14.
*"[http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/17/trump-critics-will-use-alzheimers-claims-demand-im/ Roger Stone predicts Trump critics will float Alzheimer’s claims to demand impeachment]," ''Washington Times'', May 17.
*"[https://www.statnews.com/2017/05/23/donald-trump-speaking-style-interviews/?s_campaign=tw Trump wasn’t always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?]", STAT, May 23.
*"[https://www.middaydaily.com/donald-trump-suffers-alzheimers/27498/ Latest Internet Theory Says Donald Trump Suffers from Alzheimer’s]," ''MidDay Daily'', May 24. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:06, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:I see David Pakman did this story back on March 30: "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3CFwkoqxIs&feature=youtu.be Is Trump Suffering from Dementia?]" The video noted that Trump is more coherent when he reads a script, refuting an earlier Pakman video that claimed Trump is illiterate. (The illiteracy video is far more popular than the Alzheimer's one.) [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:39, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::It's pretty much reached the point where the liberal media has become so desperate in their affliction with Trump Derangement Syndrome that they'll throw anything at the wall, no matter how far-fetched, outlandish or false, to see what sticks. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 02:47, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Rush Limbaugh reports that Sen. Al Franken had to send out a tweet to supporters that Donald Trump was not going to be impeached this month. I think it is time we begin resurrecting articles on the relative intelligence of liberals and conservatives again. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 11:39, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::::"To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil." - Charles Krauthammer[https://townhall.com/columnists/charleskrauthammer/2002/07/26/stupid-vs-evil-n1045865]
::::"Liberals believe that human nature is fundamentally good. The fact that this is contradicted by, oh, 4,000 years of human history simply tells them how urgent is the need for their next seven-point program for the social reform of everything." - Charles Krauthammer[https://townhall.com/columnists/charleskrauthammer/2002/07/26/stupid-vs-evil-n1045865]
::::More Americans are conservatives than liberals. In addition, a sizable portion of the world's population disagrees with various Western liberal ideologies. For example, there are anti-homosexuality laws in about 70 countries of the world.
::::If Krauthammer is correct, this means that Western liberals have a great capacity for engaging in doublethink (Doublethink is the acceptance of or mental capacity to accept contrary opinions or beliefs at the same time, especially as a result of political indoctrination). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:47, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::Nowhere do you see this more clearly than among American Jews who call themselves liberal and support Israel. They can recite pro-Obama or anti-Trump talking points like Sir Laurence Olivier delivering a command performance. Then when the subject turns to Bibi Netanyahu, suddenly it becomes "I agree with Obama on everything but...", or Trump "there is one good thing to say...". None of this comes from any deep-seated conviction, or even rational dissection of the issues. It is emotional, handed down by tradition, a role to play. I view it as an opening. I say "Good. Let's talk Islam and the Palestinians." It's not worth debating a philosophical outlook with somebody whose reasoning is full of holes, and their attitudes are guided by habit and emotion. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 23:22, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
== The British Tories and Immigration ==
MPR and the source says the Tories are running on an anti-immigration platform. That's a half-truth.
The Tories have stated that they want to cut migration but, in their manifesto, they say its an "aim" rather than a target or a policy. In other words, they're saying they're going to do something about it but, as they did in 2010 and 2015, they are leaving themselves room for a quick U turn. In the UK, we hold the government to account on its manifesto promises.
What's more, Theresa May was Home Secretary - and responsible for immigration - between 2010 and becoming PM. Her failure to do anything is not a good sign, particularly as she has a track record of passing the buck. This is worrying as the main plank of her manifesto is managing Brexit successfully and very little else of substance - something the British people can see. She started the election campaign with a huge advantage - 28% IIRC - and was down to a 12% lead as of last weekend.
There are far more conservative parties than Theresa May and her carpetbaggers. UKIP, for all its weaknesses, is the only major party with consistently conservative policies.
Could the attack on Monday help May and the Tories. Could be. She's certain to win anyway, but she may not get the parliamentary majority she needs to drive through any significant policies. [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 14:57, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:I removed the article from main page right.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:51, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::How could May not get a majority? The polls I've seen give her massive leads. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:52, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:::The British system works on the number of Parliamentary seats won and the majority refers to the number of surplus MPs the government has. The larger the majority, the easier it is to pass legislation. May called the election because her majority was tiny, small enough to put her government in danger. On the back of the polls, she expected a massive parliamentary majority, enough to reduce the Labour party to political irrelevance. She's managed to squander most of that lead and could end up with a larger majority than now but still not a definitive one. The Labour party, on the other hand, has seen a resurgence.
:::The bottom line is that May is a cynical opportunist. Remember, she campaigned to stay in the EU and, like Marine Le Pen, changed her mind when it suited her. For all her talk, people are starting to see through her.[[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 02:00, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::::Why is the British Labor party in such sad shape? cause their globalist leaders and allies shipped all their jobs to China and there's no Labor movement left? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 11:33, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::In the last month, Labour has gone from 25 percent in the polls to 34 percent. The Conservatives have gone to from 40 to 45 percent. Meanwhile, UKIP and the Lib Dems are way down.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2017#/media/File:Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 00:04, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
::::::The Labour Party is in bad shape because it's led by an old school socialist, well to the left of Bernie Sanders. Ironically, Jeremy Corbyn is the only major party leader who isn't a globalist. Theresa May is mainly about keeping foreign capital happy and Tim Farron - an evangelical Christian - is the most pro EU of all. Very different from the US model! [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 18:35, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::::I read about Farron, and he also supports homosexual "marriage" and the legalization of marijuana for recreational purposes. I shouldn't judge his faith, but his positions are inconsistent with Scripture. Regarding May, she may be a globalist, but she's expressed a more nationalistic platform (regardless of whether she will actually follow through on it). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:00, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::So what are May:s strengths? Speaking as someone who admittedly knows nothing about it, my impression is she's a good internal party consensus builder with very clear public speaking skills. Does she have this at a national level, though? Does she have the international "vision thing"? My impression is, she's just the most articulate party spokesperson right now, but maybe I'm wrong. Is she ambitious for a program or ideology, or just a party caretaker bureaucrat? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 22:08, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
== Liberal meltdown and desperation tactics: A look at the future ==
See [[Essay: Liberal meltdown and desperation tactics: A look at the future]]
In the short term and midterm, liberals will probably get more and more desperate. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:18, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
== Reporter assaulted, Trump blamed ==
Is there any news anywhere that can't be blamed on Trump? If the Onion ran this, people would say it was unrealistic: "[http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/25/politics/montana-assault-jake-tapper-democracy-cnntv/ Press advocates see Trump’s words behind physical attacks on journalists]." The press has been egging on political violence by Black Lives Matter and anti-Trump protesters at least since Ferguson. But when it happens to them, they are incapable of self-reflection. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:39, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:Here is my response:
:*[[Essay: Anders Breivik is the canary in the mine showing that right-wing politics could become much more violent]]
:Hopefully, the dust will settle in Western politics without a lot of bloodshed. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:40, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
::*Looks like Montana voters didn't fall for the media's smears this time around: "[http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/republican-greg-gianforte-wins-montana-special-election-body/story?id=47652910 Greg Gianforte wins Montana special election a day after being charged with assault]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:35, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
::*Ah, Conservative? The Nazis were not right-wing, they were left-wing, as even Conservapedia had to take pains to stress. The Nazis were only called right-wing due to Stalin wanting to pull a CYA. We really shouldn't be adopting what the left claims about the right, so we really need to fix that bit if not get rid of that article altogether. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 09:15, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
I've heard the left say fight Trump supporters, allude to punch a Nazi and the media nods in agreement [http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/01/video-richard-spencer-punch-antifa-fascism] [https://www.thenation.com/article/anti-fascist-activists-are-fighting-the-alt-right-in-the-streets/]. Media attacked and it's how can you justify violence Trump supporters? I love that Gianforte won despite it all. It really shows that the media has completely lost control and is looked at as lower than pond scum. How many special elections have Democrats lost since Trump's election? All of them! --Jpatt 09:26, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:Dems are 0-3 in special elections; and if you throw in the Omaha mayoral race where the national party spent some resources, 0-4. The Resistance seems to be loosing at the ballot box.
:MSM has no one to blame but themselves. They reported an alleged assault on a MSM reporter 24 hrs before an election, and nobody believes them. Innocent til proven guilty. And Montana in no sense can be considered a hardcore red state, either.
:Despite all the nasty garbage the London Guardian plans to write about the GOP in Podunk, Idaho, maybe they'll think twice before failing to respect local cultural norms (like they would in Demascus or Mecca) before they bring their big city rudeness into town, chasing the Almighty dollar, and spew hate rhetoric on their pages. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 14:37, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
::Pokeria, I didn't specifically say the Nazis were right-wing and I went out of my way to call them the National Socialist German Workers Party. Nevertheless, you were right that I should have clarified matters and so I just clarified that point in the essay. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:17, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Okay, fine. This line definitely threw me off, though, since it seemed to conflate the right-wing with the Nazis and Social Darwinists:
:::"The right-winger Anders Breivik was influenced by both right-wing politics and liberal/left-wing ideology to some extent. For example, '''he was influenced by contemporary European right-wing politics, evolutionism/social Darwinism and National Socialist German Workers Party (NAZI) ideology (See also: Nazism and socialism and Anders Breivik—Social Darwinism leads to mass murder). Breivik gave a Nazi like salute during a recent court appearance.''' Adolf Hitler was also greatly influenced by Darwinist ideology (see: Social effects of the theory of evolution). "
:::[[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 16:26, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
Pokeria, I further clarified things. Thanks. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:42, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
==Montana election: not good for Dems==
Gianforte's bodyslam may have actually caused people to vote for him.[http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/26/flynn-greg-gianfortes-critics-forgot-that-the-bodyslam-is-a-finishing-move/][http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/05/26/montana-blue-state-blues-democrats-trouble-2018/] Either way, this doesn't look good for the Democrats, and they do not have the "momentum" they need. I'm glad they have nothing to gawk about so far. If the GOP is able to win 60 Senate seats in 2018, they will actually be able to pass legislation. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:47, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:Now that Gianforte won, the MSM is trying to make the case that Trump had very little to do with this election.[http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/26/politics/gianforte-montana-win-meaning/index.html] I think they would have put a different spin on the election had socialist Quist won.
:Also, Dems are probably going to say that Gianforte's six-point win was small compared to Trump's 20-point win in 2016, however, that is a false comparison. Montana is not as Republican on the state level, as the Democrats try to frame themselves as more conservative (pro-gun, in particular). Democrats can win in Montana (they have a Dem governor, a U.S. Senator, and had more state positions before the two most recent election). Besides, Gianforte only won 5 points less than Trump. It was a good election result. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:25, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
::Prophetic words:Watch as Gianforte goes to Washington. The media and DNC are looking to ambush him again to provoke a similar response. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 21:58, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:::It's probably not going to happen again. Everyone has moments of rage at one point of life or another. AFAIK, Gianforte is a regular person with no anger issues. Being in front of pushy reporters all day and having them shove microphones in your face is hard to handle, and most politicians are able to deal with it probably because of the presence of security guards and lots of practice. Gianforte has learned his lesson.
:::However, unlike what many Democrats are saying, it is very reasonable and likely that [http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/26/politico-trump-asset-not-drag-gianforte-montana/ Trump was an asset] to Gianforte and a liability for socialist Quist. He's still popular in conservative places. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:35, 27 May 2017 (EDT)
::::Each Congressional seat is worth $6.5 billion ($3500 billion the size of federal spending ÷ 535 congressional members); with that kind of money, there's enough interest among lobbyists, DNC goons, private investigator, etc. to discover each members weakness. Gianforte revealed his - he can be provoked into a violent reaction. Hence, you routinely get [http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/05/17/mcconnell-just-asked-todays-special-prosecutor-news-response-telling/ ambushes around the halls of Congress like this.] It shouldn't be too hard to provoke a response. The issue and timing has to be just right. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 16:57, 27 May 2017 (EDT)
Ben Jacobs, the reporter that got bodyslammed, is a scumbag.
Please see:
*[http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/11/07/guardian-ben-jacobs-caught-sliming-trump-with-out-of-context-quote/ The Guardian’s Ben Jacobs Caught Sliming Trump with Out-of-Context Quote]
*[http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/12/29/fake-news-guardian-caught-deceptively-editing-quotes-from-julian-assange-interview/ Fake News: Guardian Caught Deceptively Editing Quotes from Julian Assange Interview]
Its reporters like Jacob that have caused America's trust in the media to further plunge.[http://www.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:47, 27 May 2017 (EDT)
::Al Franken body slammed a Larouchie who was heckling Howard Dean back in 2004.[http://nypost.com/2004/01/27/al-franken-knocks-down-dean-heckler/] Four years later, Minnesota elected him U.S. senator. Far from apologizing, he sounds quite proud of himself. Franken attacked a protester in a public place. Jacobs pushed his way into a private office where he had no right to be.
::In 2014, Jacobs tweeted about how much he wanted to punch a 16-year-old conservative journalist at CPAC, according to [http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2017/05/26/awkward-ben-jacobs-tweet-about-wanting-to-punch-a-conservative-journo-hasnt-aged-well/ Twitchy]. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:37, 27 May 2017 (EDT)
== Are NeverTrumpers deplorable too? ==
MSNBC recently hired George Will while ''The New York Times'' hired Brett Stephens, both conservative Hillary supporters. As far as Hillary is concerned, it's just as bad as Chamberlain offering Hitler a job at Munich: “Why … would … you … do … that?....It’s clearly a commercial decision. But I don’t think it will work. I mean, they’re laughing on the right at these puny efforts to try to appease people on the right.”[http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/hillary-clinton-life-after-election.html] Actually, I doubt it was a commercial decision. The MSM is hoping to split NeverTrumpers off from the rest of the conservative movement. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:42, 28 May 2017 (EDT)
== This just in: Kathy Griffin has gone certifiable ==
Something that might be considered for the Main Page news section: [http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/comedian-kathy-griffin-holds-bloody-head-of-decapitated-trump/ Heads roll: Now CNN chops Kathy Griffin]
[[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 00:05, 2 June 2017 (EDT)
:Now she's blaming "sexism" for the fallout from the controversy, as if she didn't go one step below an outright death threat by her image of her acting like ISIS chopping off the president's head.[http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/06/02/kathy-griffin-triples-down-on-beheading-photo-im-gonna-keep-going-after-the-fool/] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:48, 2 June 2017 (EDT)
::I took her apology as being sincere - when she was trying to save her job. Then at the press conference this morning, she unloads '' more'' abuse and blaming ''him'' for her getting fired (kinda like Hillary blaming Putin & Comey for her own stupidity and incompetence). Looks like we have to add Jim Carey to the boycott list. Oh, somebody should add this incident to the [[CNN]] article. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 20:12, 2 June 2017 (EDT)
:::It is arguable that Kathy Griffin is a public figure and that there is a low risk a suit for republication of libel or slander. Please be careful to limit your remarks to clearly proveable facts and avoid personal opinion. A public figure can recover for defamation if he can show "actual malace" toward the person being defamed. (A private citizen can recover without regard to "actual malace.") Ms. Griffin was accompanied by her attorney at her last press conference. I doubt that she will sue the Trump family because of their extensive legal resources, but CP could make an easier alternative target. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 20:25, 2 June 2017 (EDT)
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, 15:03, June 14, 2017Created page with " == Manchester terror attack - Please add to Main Page News == The Manchester terror attack killed 22 people, injured about 59, and ISIS claimed responsibility for it.[http:/..."
== Manchester terror attack - Please add to Main Page News ==
The Manchester terror attack killed 22 people, injured about 59, and ISIS claimed responsibility for it.[http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05/23/isis-claims-responsibility-for-ariana-grande-concert-attack-in-manchester.html] Why in the world has no one added it yet? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:50, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
:I don't know. It would certainly belong, and Conservative himself mentioned it on this talk page earlier. Was that you, blocked and coming back under the name FTorres?--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 11:22, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
::It has not been posted because the UK is "godless" [http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Essay:_Godless_Britain_is_the_fat_man_of_Europe][http://www.conservapedia.com/Brexit#Godless_Britain.2C_Brexit_and_mental_illness]. It his mind it is probably deserved.--[[User:FTorres|FTorres]] ([[User talk:FTorres|talk]]) 11:32, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Just post the story and prove you are not a heartless hatemonger.--[[User:TtSmith|TtSmith]] ([[User talk:TtSmith|talk]]) 12:00, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
::::Just who are the real hatemongers, Mr. Smith? People on this website, or those in your country who let these terrorists in to kill? [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 12:07, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::Neither; it's the terrorists themselves. Trick question.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 12:11, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
::::::So folk allowing in people who have lost their homes to American aggression are hatemongers? I go for you. PS, what happened to "destroy isis in 30 days"?--[[User:TtSmith|TtSmith]] ([[User talk:TtSmith|talk]]) 12:13, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::::So now it's "blame America" for the problems there. You need a sedative, Smitty. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 12:19, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
::::::::Hey, Karajou added the Manchester bombing, and Conservative added something mentioning its influence on the election. Also, I suspect his name isn't "Smith."--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 13:21, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::It's not. This guy has been trolling before, under the names TrSmith, TtSmith, ElijahT, FrankLa, and perhaps a few more, so he's pretty much the hatemonger that he tries to accuse us of being. Oh well. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 13:26, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
::::::::::I open the page to Conservative massively censoring something. Wonderful. The hatemongers are the terrorists, not the Americans, not the Brits. Asking whether its the 'people on this website or those in your country who let these terrorists in' is a false dichotomy, since the 'people who let these terrorists in' neither A) intentionally let them in nor B) is an opposite point to 'the people of this website'. [[User:Koidevelopment|Vive]] [[User talk:Koidevelopment|Liberté!]] 17:13, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::::Nobody let him in. He was a Brit. [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 15:00, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::::::::::::Technically yes, but that statement distorts the facts. His parents were Lybian refugees (and his brothers and father were arrested[http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05/24/manchester-bomber-salman-abedis-father-was-part-al-qaeda-linked-group-ex-libyan-official-says.html]), and he had just come home from Lybia and Syria, where he presumably trained for what he did.[http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/24/salman-abedi-visited-libya-an-isis-training-hotbed/] He is more Libyan/Muslim than British. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:51, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::and just what or who are we censoring, Koi? The false accusations from liberals? The false dichotomy that comes from liberals? Saying that we should accept all these poor "refugees" and yet be called hatemongers because we've identified the fact that most of them are military-age males with killers hiding within them just Speaks volumes about your kind. This is a conservative website, Koi. You don't like it, leave. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 23:57, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
Thanks for updating MPR, Conservative and Karajou. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:18, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
:The person I banned was someone not creating article content and who engaged in foolish behavior on the talk page. For example, he made it appear that Trump said the USA would defeat ISIS in 30 days once he was in office. Trump said no such thing. Trump said he would have his people come up with a plan to defeat ISIS and the plan would be in place within 30 days. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:24, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::I been following BBC & other reporting on this for two days; the same people who have been expressing concern about terrorism 24/7 for 16 years the BBC and other [[MSM]] were calling 'facsist' 3 days ago. Now they talk this rot that "we all stand together". Nuh ah. No we don't. It's a new ball game. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 23:34, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
== Trump and Alzheimer’s ==
''The Young Turks'' is blaming Roger Stone for this story, so I decided to trace the genealogy:
*"[http://www.theroot.com/does-donald-trump-have-dementia-1794877028 Does Donald Trump Have Dementia?]", ''The Root'', May 3.
*"[http://www.alternet.org/personal-health/video-suggests-trump-suffering-alzheimers The Video That Suggests Trump Is Suffering from Alzheimer's]," ''Alternet'', May 14.
*"[http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/17/trump-critics-will-use-alzheimers-claims-demand-im/ Roger Stone predicts Trump critics will float Alzheimer’s claims to demand impeachment]," ''Washington Times'', May 17.
*"[https://www.statnews.com/2017/05/23/donald-trump-speaking-style-interviews/?s_campaign=tw Trump wasn’t always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?]", STAT, May 23.
*"[https://www.middaydaily.com/donald-trump-suffers-alzheimers/27498/ Latest Internet Theory Says Donald Trump Suffers from Alzheimer’s]," ''MidDay Daily'', May 24. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:06, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:I see David Pakman did this story back on March 30: "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3CFwkoqxIs&feature=youtu.be Is Trump Suffering from Dementia?]" The video noted that Trump is more coherent when he reads a script, refuting an earlier Pakman video that claimed Trump is illiterate. (The illiteracy video is far more popular than the Alzheimer's one.) [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:39, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::It's pretty much reached the point where the liberal media has become so desperate in their affliction with Trump Derangement Syndrome that they'll throw anything at the wall, no matter how far-fetched, outlandish or false, to see what sticks. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 02:47, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Rush Limbaugh reports that Sen. Al Franken had to send out a tweet to supporters that Donald Trump was not going to be impeached this month. I think it is time we begin resurrecting articles on the relative intelligence of liberals and conservatives again. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 11:39, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::::"To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil." - Charles Krauthammer[https://townhall.com/columnists/charleskrauthammer/2002/07/26/stupid-vs-evil-n1045865]
::::"Liberals believe that human nature is fundamentally good. The fact that this is contradicted by, oh, 4,000 years of human history simply tells them how urgent is the need for their next seven-point program for the social reform of everything." - Charles Krauthammer[https://townhall.com/columnists/charleskrauthammer/2002/07/26/stupid-vs-evil-n1045865]
::::More Americans are conservatives than liberals. In addition, a sizable portion of the world's population disagrees with various Western liberal ideologies. For example, there are anti-homosexuality laws in about 70 countries of the world.
::::If Krauthammer is correct, this means that Western liberals have a great capacity for engaging in doublethink (Doublethink is the acceptance of or mental capacity to accept contrary opinions or beliefs at the same time, especially as a result of political indoctrination). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:47, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::Nowhere do you see this more clearly than among American Jews who call themselves liberal and support Israel. They can recite pro-Obama or anti-Trump talking points like Sir Laurence Olivier delivering a command performance. Then when the subject turns to Bibi Netanyahu, suddenly it becomes "I agree with Obama on everything but...", or Trump "there is one good thing to say...". None of this comes from any deep-seated conviction, or even rational dissection of the issues. It is emotional, handed down by tradition, a role to play. I view it as an opening. I say "Good. Let's talk Islam and the Palestinians." It's not worth debating a philosophical outlook with somebody whose reasoning is full of holes, and their attitudes are guided by habit and emotion. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 23:22, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
== The British Tories and Immigration ==
MPR and the source says the Tories are running on an anti-immigration platform. That's a half-truth.
The Tories have stated that they want to cut migration but, in their manifesto, they say its an "aim" rather than a target or a policy. In other words, they're saying they're going to do something about it but, as they did in 2010 and 2015, they are leaving themselves room for a quick U turn. In the UK, we hold the government to account on its manifesto promises.
What's more, Theresa May was Home Secretary - and responsible for immigration - between 2010 and becoming PM. Her failure to do anything is not a good sign, particularly as she has a track record of passing the buck. This is worrying as the main plank of her manifesto is managing Brexit successfully and very little else of substance - something the British people can see. She started the election campaign with a huge advantage - 28% IIRC - and was down to a 12% lead as of last weekend.
There are far more conservative parties than Theresa May and her carpetbaggers. UKIP, for all its weaknesses, is the only major party with consistently conservative policies.
Could the attack on Monday help May and the Tories. Could be. She's certain to win anyway, but she may not get the parliamentary majority she needs to drive through any significant policies. [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 14:57, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:I removed the article from main page right.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:51, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::How could May not get a majority? The polls I've seen give her massive leads. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:52, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:::The British system works on the number of Parliamentary seats won and the majority refers to the number of surplus MPs the government has. The larger the majority, the easier it is to pass legislation. May called the election because her majority was tiny, small enough to put her government in danger. On the back of the polls, she expected a massive parliamentary majority, enough to reduce the Labour party to political irrelevance. She's managed to squander most of that lead and could end up with a larger majority than now but still not a definitive one. The Labour party, on the other hand, has seen a resurgence.
:::The bottom line is that May is a cynical opportunist. Remember, she campaigned to stay in the EU and, like Marine Le Pen, changed her mind when it suited her. For all her talk, people are starting to see through her.[[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 02:00, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::::Why is the British Labor party in such sad shape? cause their globalist leaders and allies shipped all their jobs to China and there's no Labor movement left? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 11:33, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::In the last month, Labour has gone from 25 percent in the polls to 34 percent. The Conservatives have gone to from 40 to 45 percent. Meanwhile, UKIP and the Lib Dems are way down.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2017#/media/File:Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 00:04, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
::::::The Labour Party is in bad shape because it's led by an old school socialist, well to the left of Bernie Sanders. Ironically, Jeremy Corbyn is the only major party leader who isn't a globalist. Theresa May is mainly about keeping foreign capital happy and Tim Farron - an evangelical Christian - is the most pro EU of all. Very different from the US model! [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 18:35, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::::I read about Farron, and he also supports homosexual "marriage" and the legalization of marijuana for recreational purposes. I shouldn't judge his faith, but his positions are inconsistent with Scripture. Regarding May, she may be a globalist, but she's expressed a more nationalistic platform (regardless of whether she will actually follow through on it). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:00, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::So what are May:s strengths? Speaking as someone who admittedly knows nothing about it, my impression is she's a good internal party consensus builder with very clear public speaking skills. Does she have this at a national level, though? Does she have the international "vision thing"? My impression is, she's just the most articulate party spokesperson right now, but maybe I'm wrong. Is she ambitious for a program or ideology, or just a party caretaker bureaucrat? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 22:08, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
== Liberal meltdown and desperation tactics: A look at the future ==
See [[Essay: Liberal meltdown and desperation tactics: A look at the future]]
In the short term and midterm, liberals will probably get more and more desperate. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:18, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
== Reporter assaulted, Trump blamed ==
Is there any news anywhere that can't be blamed on Trump? If the Onion ran this, people would say it was unrealistic: "[http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/25/politics/montana-assault-jake-tapper-democracy-cnntv/ Press advocates see Trump’s words behind physical attacks on journalists]." The press has been egging on political violence by Black Lives Matter and anti-Trump protesters at least since Ferguson. But when it happens to them, they are incapable of self-reflection. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:39, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:Here is my response:
:*[[Essay: Anders Breivik is the canary in the mine showing that right-wing politics could become much more violent]]
:Hopefully, the dust will settle in Western politics without a lot of bloodshed. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:40, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
::*Looks like Montana voters didn't fall for the media's smears this time around: "[http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/republican-greg-gianforte-wins-montana-special-election-body/story?id=47652910 Greg Gianforte wins Montana special election a day after being charged with assault]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:35, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
::*Ah, Conservative? The Nazis were not right-wing, they were left-wing, as even Conservapedia had to take pains to stress. The Nazis were only called right-wing due to Stalin wanting to pull a CYA. We really shouldn't be adopting what the left claims about the right, so we really need to fix that bit if not get rid of that article altogether. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 09:15, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
I've heard the left say fight Trump supporters, allude to punch a Nazi and the media nods in agreement [http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/01/video-richard-spencer-punch-antifa-fascism] [https://www.thenation.com/article/anti-fascist-activists-are-fighting-the-alt-right-in-the-streets/]. Media attacked and it's how can you justify violence Trump supporters? I love that Gianforte won despite it all. It really shows that the media has completely lost control and is looked at as lower than pond scum. How many special elections have Democrats lost since Trump's election? All of them! --Jpatt 09:26, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:Dems are 0-3 in special elections; and if you throw in the Omaha mayoral race where the national party spent some resources, 0-4. The Resistance seems to be loosing at the ballot box.
:MSM has no one to blame but themselves. They reported an alleged assault on a MSM reporter 24 hrs before an election, and nobody believes them. Innocent til proven guilty. And Montana in no sense can be considered a hardcore red state, either.
:Despite all the nasty garbage the London Guardian plans to write about the GOP in Podunk, Idaho, maybe they'll think twice before failing to respect local cultural norms (like they would in Demascus or Mecca) before they bring their big city rudeness into town, chasing the Almighty dollar, and spew hate rhetoric on their pages. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 14:37, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
::Pokeria, I didn't specifically say the Nazis were right-wing and I went out of my way to call them the National Socialist German Workers Party. Nevertheless, you were right that I should have clarified matters and so I just clarified that point in the essay. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:17, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Okay, fine. This line definitely threw me off, though, since it seemed to conflate the right-wing with the Nazis and Social Darwinists:
:::"The right-winger Anders Breivik was influenced by both right-wing politics and liberal/left-wing ideology to some extent. For example, '''he was influenced by contemporary European right-wing politics, evolutionism/social Darwinism and National Socialist German Workers Party (NAZI) ideology (See also: Nazism and socialism and Anders Breivik—Social Darwinism leads to mass murder). Breivik gave a Nazi like salute during a recent court appearance.''' Adolf Hitler was also greatly influenced by Darwinist ideology (see: Social effects of the theory of evolution). "
:::[[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 16:26, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
Pokeria, I further clarified things. Thanks. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:42, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
==Montana election: not good for Dems==
Gianforte's bodyslam may have actually caused people to vote for him.[http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/26/flynn-greg-gianfortes-critics-forgot-that-the-bodyslam-is-a-finishing-move/][http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/05/26/montana-blue-state-blues-democrats-trouble-2018/] Either way, this doesn't look good for the Democrats, and they do not have the "momentum" they need. I'm glad they have nothing to gawk about so far. If the GOP is able to win 60 Senate seats in 2018, they will actually be able to pass legislation. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:47, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:Now that Gianforte won, the MSM is trying to make the case that Trump had very little to do with this election.[http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/26/politics/gianforte-montana-win-meaning/index.html] I think they would have put a different spin on the election had socialist Quist won.
:Also, Dems are probably going to say that Gianforte's six-point win was small compared to Trump's 20-point win in 2016, however, that is a false comparison. Montana is not as Republican on the state level, as the Democrats try to frame themselves as more conservative (pro-gun, in particular). Democrats can win in Montana (they have a Dem governor, a U.S. Senator, and had more state positions before the two most recent election). Besides, Gianforte only won 5 points less than Trump. It was a good election result. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:25, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
::Prophetic words:Watch as Gianforte goes to Washington. The media and DNC are looking to ambush him again to provoke a similar response. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 21:58, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:::It's probably not going to happen again. Everyone has moments of rage at one point of life or another. AFAIK, Gianforte is a regular person with no anger issues. Being in front of pushy reporters all day and having them shove microphones in your face is hard to handle, and most politicians are able to deal with it probably because of the presence of security guards and lots of practice. Gianforte has learned his lesson.
:::However, unlike what many Democrats are saying, it is very reasonable and likely that [http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/26/politico-trump-asset-not-drag-gianforte-montana/ Trump was an asset] to Gianforte and a liability for socialist Quist. He's still popular in conservative places. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:35, 27 May 2017 (EDT)
::::Each Congressional seat is worth $6.5 billion ($3500 billion the size of federal spending ÷ 535 congressional members); with that kind of money, there's enough interest among lobbyists, DNC goons, private investigator, etc. to discover each members weakness. Gianforte revealed his - he can be provoked into a violent reaction. Hence, you routinely get [http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/05/17/mcconnell-just-asked-todays-special-prosecutor-news-response-telling/ ambushes around the halls of Congress like this.] It shouldn't be too hard to provoke a response. The issue and timing has to be just right. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 16:57, 27 May 2017 (EDT)
Ben Jacobs, the reporter that got bodyslammed, is a scumbag.
Please see:
*[http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/11/07/guardian-ben-jacobs-caught-sliming-trump-with-out-of-context-quote/ The Guardian’s Ben Jacobs Caught Sliming Trump with Out-of-Context Quote]
*[http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/12/29/fake-news-guardian-caught-deceptively-editing-quotes-from-julian-assange-interview/ Fake News: Guardian Caught Deceptively Editing Quotes from Julian Assange Interview]
Its reporters like Jacob that have caused America's trust in the media to further plunge.[http://www.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:47, 27 May 2017 (EDT)
::Al Franken body slammed a Larouchie who was heckling Howard Dean back in 2004.[http://nypost.com/2004/01/27/al-franken-knocks-down-dean-heckler/] Four years later, Minnesota elected him U.S. senator. Far from apologizing, he sounds quite proud of himself. Franken attacked a protester in a public place. Jacobs pushed his way into a private office where he had no right to be.
::In 2014, Jacobs tweeted about how much he wanted to punch a 16-year-old conservative journalist at CPAC, according to [http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2017/05/26/awkward-ben-jacobs-tweet-about-wanting-to-punch-a-conservative-journo-hasnt-aged-well/ Twitchy]. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:37, 27 May 2017 (EDT)
== Are NeverTrumpers deplorable too? ==
MSNBC recently hired George Will while ''The New York Times'' hired Brett Stephens, both conservative Hillary supporters. As far as Hillary is concerned, it's just as bad as Chamberlain offering Hitler a job at Munich: “Why … would … you … do … that?....It’s clearly a commercial decision. But I don’t think it will work. I mean, they’re laughing on the right at these puny efforts to try to appease people on the right.”[http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/hillary-clinton-life-after-election.html] Actually, I doubt it was a commercial decision. The MSM is hoping to split NeverTrumpers off from the rest of the conservative movement. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:42, 28 May 2017 (EDT)
== This just in: Kathy Griffin has gone certifiable ==
Something that might be considered for the Main Page news section: [http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/comedian-kathy-griffin-holds-bloody-head-of-decapitated-trump/ Heads roll: Now CNN chops Kathy Griffin]
[[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 00:05, 2 June 2017 (EDT)
:Now she's blaming "sexism" for the fallout from the controversy, as if she didn't go one step below an outright death threat by her image of her acting like ISIS chopping off the president's head.[http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/06/02/kathy-griffin-triples-down-on-beheading-photo-im-gonna-keep-going-after-the-fool/] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:48, 2 June 2017 (EDT)
::I took her apology as being sincere - when she was trying to save her job. Then at the press conference this morning, she unloads '' more'' abuse and blaming ''him'' for her getting fired (kinda like Hillary blaming Putin & Comey for her own stupidity and incompetence). Looks like we have to add Jim Carey to the boycott list. Oh, somebody should add this incident to the [[CNN]] article. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 20:12, 2 June 2017 (EDT)
:::It is arguable that Kathy Griffin is a public figure and that there is a low risk a suit for republication of libel or slander. Please be careful to limit your remarks to clearly proveable facts and avoid personal opinion. A public figure can recover for defamation if he can show "actual malace" toward the person being defamed. (A private citizen can recover without regard to "actual malace.") Ms. Griffin was accompanied by her attorney at her last press conference. I doubt that she will sue the Trump family because of their extensive legal resources, but CP could make an easier alternative target. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 20:25, 2 June 2017 (EDT)