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::::::::::::::::: That reply seems to indicate that you didn't actually read the links, because at least some of that is answered there. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:47, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::: That reply seems to indicate that you didn't actually read the links, because at least some of that is answered there. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:47, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::: Regarding whether God cannot lie due to being the embodiment of truth, correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't he already know that there weren't even 10 innocents in Sodom and Gomorrah long before he was even confronted with the decision to destroy it, yet he STILL had an investigation occur at Abraham's request? That sounds a lot like God outright lied to him. Long story short, if he actually couldn't lie, he'd outright tell him there weren't any innocents there besides Lot and his family, making even attempting to barter with God downright impossible precisely because, being omniscient, not to mention omnipotent, he'd KNOW there weren't any and would refuse to make any statements contradicting this stance, not even to ease Abraham's mind, and if anything mind-rape him into submission showing him exactly how there weren't any innocents beyond Lot's family. So, not only CAN God lie, he actually DID in the Bible (last I checked, willfully misrepresenting facts is the definition of lying, anti-Truth in other words), ESPECIALLY if we're going to claim he's omniscient and omnipotent. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 05:22, 21 July 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::: Regarding whether God cannot lie due to being the embodiment of truth, correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't he already know that there weren't even 10 innocents in Sodom and Gomorrah long before he was even confronted with the decision to destroy it, yet he STILL had an investigation occur at Abraham's request? That sounds a lot like God outright lied to him. Long story short, if he actually couldn't lie, he'd outright tell him there weren't any innocents there besides Lot and his family, making even attempting to barter with God downright impossible precisely because, being omniscient, not to mention omnipotent, he'd KNOW there weren't any and would refuse to make any statements contradicting this stance, not even to ease Abraham's mind, and if anything mind-rape him into submission showing him exactly how there weren't any innocents beyond Lot's family. So, not only CAN God lie, he actually DID in the Bible (last I checked, willfully misrepresenting facts is the definition of lying, anti-Truth in other words), ESPECIALLY if we're going to claim he's omniscient and omnipotent. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 05:22, 21 July 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::Pokeria I hope this finds you well. Maybe something that God is trying to tell Abraham is that up to the time of Judgment, it's never too late to repent. And instead of looking at the situation as a consequence of Fate, he and his household afterwards should remember to confront like situations as opportunities to turn back from their sins, not to be carried along with them. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 08:14, 21 July 2017 (EDT)
If God is omnipotent, then he should be able to create another omnipotent being. If God and his creation were to have an arm-wrestle, each trying to win, who would? [[User:JimAB|JimAB]] 19:18, 27 May 2011 (EDT)
If God is omnipotent, then he should be able to create another omnipotent being. If God and his creation were to have an arm-wrestle, each trying to win, who would? [[User:JimAB|JimAB]] 19:18, 27 May 2011 (EDT)
:In physics, biology, math, logic, epistemology, etc., the only way for a primary to result in another primary is if there is no such thing as a primary: anything mistaken as 'primary' can result in another 'primary'. But, if, in epistemology there is no primary, then there is nothing, not even a primary object of knowledge (i.e., God) [[User:PatternOfPersona|PatternOfPersona]] 22:40, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
:In physics, biology, math, logic, epistemology, etc., the only way for a primary to result in another primary is if there is no such thing as a primary: anything mistaken as 'primary' can result in another 'primary'. But, if, in epistemology there is no primary, then there is nothing, not even a primary object of knowledge (i.e., God) [[User:PatternOfPersona|PatternOfPersona]] 22:40, 30 June 2011 (EDT)