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→Undermining his legitimacy: reply to KarateElf
:::Obama had the popular vote. But 4 Presidents didn't, John Quincy Adams, Rutherford Hayes, Benjamin Harrison and GW Bush. And I guess now it's 5. I think it makes more sense to just point out that a popular vote is NOT required to win the election. The framers created the electoral college on purpose. Pretending that he did win the popular vote or that millions of "illegals" voted just makes conservatives look bigoted. The bottom line is that it doesn't matter. --Unsigned comment by User:KarateElf
:::Obama had the popular vote. But 4 Presidents didn't, John Quincy Adams, Rutherford Hayes, Benjamin Harrison and GW Bush. And I guess now it's 5. I think it makes more sense to just point out that a popular vote is NOT required to win the election. The framers created the electoral college on purpose. Pretending that he did win the popular vote or that millions of "illegals" voted just makes conservatives look bigoted. The bottom line is that it doesn't matter. --Unsigned comment by User:KarateElf
::::KarateElf, all that ignoring the fact that illegal immigrants ''did'' vote (in violation of federal law) and calling conservatives "bigots" for pointing out that fact only serves to put your argument on quicksand. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 19:55, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
:::We wait for investigation to see who actually got the popular vote after counting & excluding the votes of non-citizens illegally cast in this election. ([[User:Thunkful2|Thunkful2]] ([[User talk:Thunkful2|talk]]) 11:42, 23 December 2016 (EST))
:::We wait for investigation to see who actually got the popular vote after counting & excluding the votes of non-citizens illegally cast in this election. ([[User:Thunkful2|Thunkful2]] ([[User talk:Thunkful2|talk]]) 11:42, 23 December 2016 (EST))