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Revision as of 12:59, September 27, 2017
, 12:59, September 27, 2017→Problems with your "national liberalism" article
*4) None of the 3 parties you reference are really conservative but I will remove UKIP from the article as it is not NatLib either - it is more single-issue. Likud - my favourite Israeli party is a liberal party, no doubt about it. Yisrael Beiteynu is the conservative party in Israel but is very small compared to the mainstream parties. I am not attempting to tie those parties to the Nazis in any way as I support many of these parties myself. I will remove the reference to the Nazis however as they are more national ''socialist'' than liberal.
*4) None of the 3 parties you reference are really conservative but I will remove UKIP from the article as it is not NatLib either - it is more single-issue. Likud - my favourite Israeli party is a liberal party, no doubt about it. Yisrael Beiteynu is the conservative party in Israel but is very small compared to the mainstream parties. I am not attempting to tie those parties to the Nazis in any way as I support many of these parties myself. I will remove the reference to the Nazis however as they are more national ''socialist'' than liberal.
I think one thing that has to be understood when reading this article is that the word liberal is being used in the European sense of the word not the US sense of the word. What the Americans call a liberal we would call a leftist or a social democrat. Although CP is a US website I think in this case the European meaning of the word should be used in the article as NatLib is a mostly European thing. Would a disclaimer about this be an idea?
I think one thing that has to be understood when reading this article is that the word liberal is being used in the European sense of the word not the US sense of the word. What the Americans call a liberal we would call a leftist or a social democrat. Although CP is a US website I think in this case the European meaning of the word should be used in the article as NatLib is a mostly European thing. Would a disclaimer about this be an idea? --Unsigned edit by User:TrueTory
:If you explain accurately what the term actually means with sources, I guess you can do that. However, since you clearly want to use this term to describe specific political parties (rather than simply explaining what the term means and that's all), why not just use more common terms that are more familiar with Americans? And rather than slapping a term that very few people actually use onto a page of a political party, why not just explain what the party believes?
:All of the three parties that I listed ''are'' conservative (although Lukid is a more establishmentarian party). UKIP is very conservative (from a limited government standpoint), and several of its leaders/former leaders, like Nigel Farage and Raheem Kassam are known by many Americans for being very conservative (more than the Conservative Party). UKIP is not "single-issue," as it has strong opinions on several issues. The AfD is also conservative -- it's shifted a lot since its founding, when it was a more liberal-conservative party. I see no reason to believe that the AfD is socially liberal, other than the fact that one of its senior members happens to be bisexual or something (and that does not make a party socially liberal -- as an analogy, UKIP has several blacks and Arabs as members, but it by no means supports mass migration).
:If you support those parties, I am curious about this line: "''The mainstream media generally sees national liberals as repulsive and therefore attempts to tie them to the conservative movement rather than liberalism, which is their real ideology.''" This appears to be again saying that these parties are actually liberal parties (implying that there is a "conservative" alternative to the parties--Theresa May??), and this line conflicts with article's statement that they combine left-wing and right-wing. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:59, 27 September 2017 (EDT)