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User talk:TrueTory (view source)
Revision as of 21:04, September 27, 2017
, 21:04, September 27, 2017→Problems with your "national liberalism" article
:If you support those parties, I am curious about this line: "''The mainstream media generally sees national liberals as repulsive and therefore attempts to tie them to the conservative movement rather than liberalism, which is their real ideology.''" This appears to be again saying that these parties are actually liberal parties (implying that there is a "conservative" alternative to the parties--Theresa May??), and this line conflicts with article's statement that they combine left-wing and right-wing. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:59, 27 September 2017 (EDT)
:If you support those parties, I am curious about this line: "''The mainstream media generally sees national liberals as repulsive and therefore attempts to tie them to the conservative movement rather than liberalism, which is their real ideology.''" This appears to be again saying that these parties are actually liberal parties (implying that there is a "conservative" alternative to the parties--Theresa May??), and this line conflicts with article's statement that they combine left-wing and right-wing. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:59, 27 September 2017 (EDT)
Okay I think I have made your prescribed edits. I guess national liberalism can be placed between national socialism and national conservatism. I dont suppose anybody disagrees that ordinary socialism and national socialism are quite different and in fact conservatism and national conservatism have differences.
Okay I think I have made your prescribed edits. I guess national liberalism can be placed between national socialism and national conservatism. I dont suppose anybody disagrees that ordinary socialism and national socialism are quite different and in fact conservatism and national conservatism have differences. --Unsigned edit by User:TrueTory
:Thanks for the edits. There are still several problems that you can and should address:
:Thanks for the edits. There are still several problems that you can and should address:
*2) It is not a rarely used phrase at all in Europe. I can understand it not being used in the US as there are no noteworthy national liberals.
*2) It is not a rarely used phrase at all in Europe. I can understand it not being used in the US as there are no noteworthy national liberals.
*3) Parties such as Likud self-describe as National Liberal. The PVV is very notable as the embodiment of National liberalism.
*3) Parties such as Likud self-describe as National Liberal. The PVV is very notable as the embodiment of National liberalism.
I cannot see why this article is such a problem - no party is perfect so people should not be touchy if some mild criticism of a party is put across.
I cannot see why this article is such a problem - no party is perfect so people should not be touchy if some mild criticism of a party is put across. --Unsigned edit by User:TrueTory
::The problem with the criticism is that it is unsourced, and the parties in question are conservative and nationalist, ''at least'' in a general sense (and CP is a conservative encyclopedia -- if you want to see criticism of conservative parties, you can easily go to many other sources, such as virtually all of the mainstream media). In addition, if this phrase is widely used in Europe, why are there so few sources in this article? I can see that this term has a historical usage,[https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/cambridge-companion-to-liberalism/liberalism-and-nationalism/36DD4AC972C3F00448E086B3937DD7D0/core-reader] but where are the many European sources describing the AfD and Lukid as "national liberal"? And where are the sources for the several essay-ish sentences describing MSM treatment of the parties and their leftist views? There are many more common phrases, such as "'''right-wing populist'''" or "conservative" that are out there to describe the parties. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:04, 27 September 2017 (EDT)