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Talk:Essay:Greatest Conservative Movies (view source)
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The opposite. I'm saying it's not good if the hero is <B>little more moral</B> than the villain. Now, it would be one thing if the hero was more of an antihero and learned their lesson at the end and changed and became better in the sequels, but that's not the case with Charlie. If anything, we could argue he was even worse in a way in the sequel. (In the first movie, the most damage he did was to himself, but in the second movie, his actions allowed one of the devil creatures to imprison most of the dogs in dog heaven and his actions were more selfish than noble that led him to giving away that horn. [[User:PatriotMongoose|PatriotMongoose]] ([[User talk:PatriotMongoose|talk]]) 21:43, 14 October 2017 (EDT)
The opposite. I'm saying it's not good if the hero is <B>little more moral</B> than the villain. Now, it would be one thing if the hero was more of an antihero and learned their lesson at the end and changed and became better in the sequels, but that's not the case with Charlie. If anything, we could argue he was even worse in a way in the sequel. (In the first movie, the most damage he did was to himself, but in the second movie, his actions allowed one of the devil creatures to imprison most of the dogs in dog heaven and his actions were more selfish than noble that led him to giving away that horn. [[User:PatriotMongoose|PatriotMongoose]] ([[User talk:PatriotMongoose|talk]]) 21:43, 14 October 2017 (EDT)
==I think the Princess and the Frog deserves a chance===
Here is another reason: the portrayal of Tiana's father. While Lotti's (I think that's her name) father spoils her rotten, Tiana's father teaches her the value of hard work, that love is more important than money or possessions, was the one who inspired her to open her own restaurant (it was her father's dream and she finished what he started after he died) and he was in the military and was killed in action in WWI (good portrayal of the military in this movie). You don't often see the father portrayed in a good light in Disney movies, or, indeed, many modern movies in general. Triton seemed always to always be holding Arial back, Aladdin's father Kassim was the King of Thieves and had abandoned him and his his mother to go after the Hand of Midas, (Mufasa was good to Simba, I admit, but, then again, Lion King was listed as conservative on this list), Marlin, albeit too paranoid, was good (but Finding Nemo was also on this list), Lilo's parents weren't around in Lilo and Stitch (though they both died in some accident I think), Russel's father wasn't really around for him in Up, we never see Andy's father in Toy Story (only his mother and sister) (Heck, we don't see Sid's father either and we only see the mother of Jessie's former owner, never her father, so apparently fathers were unimportant in Toy Story (yeah, I know it's about the toys, not the people, but that still is disturbing if you look at it.), etc.
Come to think of it, that is a good argument against the claim that Princess and the Frog is a feminist movie. It was also later stated by Dr. Facilier that Tiana's father would sometimes do double and triple shifts to try and aim for his planned restaurant, yet he always made sure, despite being bone tired, to find time for his family.
Also, another thing to consider is Lottie, though spoiled, rich, and white, she is NOT a villain, but was actually the one who bought a lot of stuff (admittedly with daddy's money) to help Tiana get enough money for her restaurant. (They even said so in the director's commentary that she was designed that way.). That's another thing that makes the film anti-liberal. If it'd been a liberal film, Lottie and her father would have been villainous jerks, not supporting good guys.
Also, lest someone bring in that the film's agenda is racist, it should be noted that it appears that the film's villain, Dr. Facilier, is darker skinned (not quite black, but not white either).
Also, I might add that originally, Louis the alligator, was going to be a human turned into an alligator by Dr. Facilier, but the plot was dropped on that part. However, that said, Lois the alligator and Ray the firefly (who actually died fighting Facilier), were also portrayed in a good light and not as incompetent. That is another strike against it being a feminist movie. [[User:PatriotMongoose|PatriotMongoose]] ([[User talk:PatriotMongoose|talk]]) 22:27, 28 October 2017 (EDT)