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:Even King Triton at least was willing to trade his freedom for Ariel's when push came to shove, so he wasn't all that bad (I'd argue Sultan and to a lesser extent Maurice got far more raw of a deal, TBH). I'm still not sure about Louisiana Voodoo being treated in a positive light though. We probably could move it to Debatable, IF Aschlafly allows it. Ultimately, he has the final say since he was the one who had it be designated liberal in the first place. And personally, even with the whole restaurant bit, Tiana came across as less feminist than Belle did in Beauty and the Beast. Plus, it's actually one of the few Disney feature movies that DOESN'T demonize marriage outright (and the first Disney Princess feature movie to actually treat traditional marriage in a positive light since The Little Mermaid two decades prior), so that's probably another aspect pointing to it being conservative. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 22:54, 28 October 2017 (EDT)

:Even King Triton at least was willing to trade his freedom for Ariel's when push came to shove, so he wasn't all that bad (I'd argue Sultan and to a lesser extent Maurice got far more raw of a deal, TBH). I'm still not sure about Louisiana Voodoo being treated in a positive light though. We probably could move it to Debatable, IF Aschlafly allows it. Ultimately, he has the final say since he was the one who had it be designated liberal in the first place. And personally, even with the whole restaurant bit, Tiana came across as less feminist than Belle did in Beauty and the Beast. Plus, it's actually one of the few Disney feature movies that DOESN'T demonize marriage outright (and the first Disney Princess feature movie to actually treat traditional marriage in a positive light since The Little Mermaid two decades prior), so that's probably another aspect pointing to it being conservative. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 22:54, 28 October 2017 (EDT)

I think that even one movie you called conservative (Lion King 2: Simba's Pride) could be considered feminist.  Both the central protagonist (Kiara) and the central antagonist (Zira) are females and generally seem to be portrayed to be the most competent.  On the flip side, the only male, other than Rafiki of course, portrayed in a good light was Kovu (and he was originally bad but turned good when he fell in love with Kiara.).  (Also, I might add that poor Nunca was allowed to be neglected, try and take out Simba to get Zira's love, and die trying.  Vitani, on the other hand, was allowed to live to see Zira for what she was and to be able to get redemption.) Even Simba was portrayed as a father who just didn't seem to want what's best for his daughter (however, to Simba's defense, I don't recall Nala having that many lines at all in Lion King 2).  If Lion King 2 can be labeled conservative, so should The Princess and the Frog.    [[User:PatriotMongoose|PatriotMongoose]] ([[User talk:PatriotMongoose|talk]]) 23:57, 28 October 2017 (EDT)

I think that even one movie you called conservative (Lion King 2: Simba's Pride) could be considered feminist.  Both the central protagonist (Kiara) and the central antagonist (Zira) are females and generally seem to be portrayed to be the most competent.  On the flip side, the only male, other than Rafiki of course, portrayed in a good light was Kovu (and he was originally bad but turned good when he fell in love with Kiara.  Also, after being unjustly banished, Kovu suggested that they run away together and escape their problems.  It was Kiara who suggested that they go back and stop the fighting.  Again, another arguement that Lion King 2: Simba's Pride could be labeled feminist.).  (Also, I might add that poor Nunca was allowed to be neglected, try and take out Simba to get Zira's love, and die trying.  Vitani, on the other hand, was allowed to live to see Zira for what she was and to be able to get redemption.) Even Simba was portrayed as a father who just didn't seem to want what's best for his daughter (however, to Simba's defense, I don't recall Nala having that many lines at all in Lion King 2).  If Lion King 2 can be labeled conservative, so should The Princess and the Frog.    [[User:PatriotMongoose|PatriotMongoose]] ([[User talk:PatriotMongoose|talk]]) 23:57, 28 October 2017 (EDT)