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| | :Breitbart [http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/16/democrat-oversample-fox-news-poll-claims-roy-moore-losing-despite-faulty-numbers/ has criticized] the Fox News poll for its small sample size and for oversampling Democrats. The poll may be accurate, but I see room for doubt. Personally, I think Moore could still win if he energizes his base without seeing the Democrats energized. If the Democrats think this will be an easy victory for Jones, many of them will decide to stay home, and because Moore's voters are very loyal, they would bring him to victory. Either way, I'm just glad that these allegations were "revealed" four weeks before the election, rather than one week, and I'm also glad that Moore is very strong and refusing to let politicized sexual misconduct allegations from about 40 years ago ruin his career. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:44, 19 November 2017 (EST) | | :Breitbart [http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/16/democrat-oversample-fox-news-poll-claims-roy-moore-losing-despite-faulty-numbers/ has criticized] the Fox News poll for its small sample size and for oversampling Democrats. The poll may be accurate, but I see room for doubt. Personally, I think Moore could still win if he energizes his base without seeing the Democrats energized. If the Democrats think this will be an easy victory for Jones, many of them will decide to stay home, and because Moore's voters are very loyal, they would bring him to victory. Either way, I'm just glad that these allegations were "revealed" four weeks before the election, rather than one week, and I'm also glad that Moore is very strong and refusing to let politicized sexual misconduct allegations from about 40 years ago ruin his career. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:44, 19 November 2017 (EST) |
| | ::I think the best defense of Moore is that he was looking for a wife, not a victim or a good time. Several of the accusations are not consistent with that, but they come from accusers with credibility issues. Liberals have apparently decided to dump Weinstein and Clinton. But they've rallied to protect Franken. So I guess we as a nation are settling on a "Franken standard". That is to say, a politician can be as creepy as Franken and keep his job. Just don't take it to the Weinstein-Clinton predator level. Moore passes this standard with flying colors. Franken has been quite a creep in public for a long time, and unashamedly up to this point. His "comedy" act was to pull girls from the audience, dance with them, and repeatedly grab their asses: "[https://spectator.org/shall-we-dance-al-franken-what-about-that-time-in-montana/ Shall We Dance, Al Franken? What About That Time in Montana?]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 10:21, 19 November 2017 (EST) | | ::I think the best defense of Moore is that he was looking for a wife, not a victim or a good time. Several of the accusations are not consistent with that, but they come from accusers with credibility issues. Liberals have apparently decided to dump Weinstein and Clinton. But they've rallied to protect Franken. So I guess we as a nation are settling on a "Franken standard". That is to say, a politician can be as creepy as Franken and keep his job. Just don't take it to the Weinstein-Clinton predator level. Moore passes this standard with flying colors. Franken has been quite a creep in public for a long time, and unashamedly up to this point. His "comedy" act was to pull girls from the audience, dance with them, and repeatedly grab their asses: "[https://spectator.org/shall-we-dance-al-franken-what-about-that-time-in-montana/ Shall We Dance, Al Franken? What About That Time in Montana?]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 10:21, 19 November 2017 (EST) |
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| | + | ==Does Conservapedia have a single position on the accusations against Moore?== |
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| | + | I ask because the article and talk pages here and elsewhere on Conservapedia continue to equivocate between several positions, in decreasing order of acceptance: 1) The accusations are all false. 2) The accusations of criminal activity are false, while the others are just descriptions of behavior that was acceptable at the time, if not still acceptable. 3) Moore has not been found guilty at trial (truth of claims is unknowable until then). 4) The accusations only represent a misdemeanor, or were from too long ago to be relevant, or are not as bad as things that others have done. 5) Moore has redeemed himself through his subsequent career and actions. 6) Moore is still a better choice than his opponent. |
| | + | Only positions 1 and 2 deny the criminal charges in the accusations; 3 withholds all judgement until after a criminal trial; the rest in effect concede that they are "true, but..." with that last position seeming to accept the accusations on their face without excuse. Moore himself appears to take position 2, in that he denies inappropriate or illegal activity but does recall appropriate courting of young women with their parent's permission(s), which is the essence of most of the 'accusations'. Different individuals who post here seem to have different beliefs about the matter, which continue to be reflected in the article and I feel that causes confusion. Moore himself continues to deny any illegal or morally inappropriate behavior, so I don't see why so much of the discussion seems to be of the "true, but..." variety. Given Andrew Schlafly's continued active support of Moore and interest in the matter, I wonder if there is or should be a single Conservapedia position represented here that does not undercut Moore's statements?--[[User:Brossa|Brossa]] ([[User talk:Brossa|talk]]) 11:24, 19 November 2017 (EST) |