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| | ::::::Germany's refusal to goosestep to Washington wasn't aimed at the Deep State. It was aimed at Trump. Germany decided to take a hard globalist turn and demand that a European Army be formed in response to Trump waking much of the world up to the evils of globalism. Germany knows that if it goes too far with this European Army plan, it '''will''' end up at war with the United States. Hence why it is now trying to play the "Russia is (not really) my ally" card. Germany at this point considers Russia to be a lesser evil than the United States, and is trying to get Russia to side with Germany should war break out over the European Army plan. Hitler employed the same strategy when he concluded that the USSR was a lesser evil than Britain and France. Fortunately, Hitler's plan failed. Let's hope Merkel's does, too. If and when the US and Russia normalize relations, let's hope containing Merkel's Germany is one of the main agendas on the table. --[[User:James Kardys|James Kardys]] ([[User talk:James Kardys|talk]]) 14:48, 21 April 2018 (EDT) | | ::::::Germany's refusal to goosestep to Washington wasn't aimed at the Deep State. It was aimed at Trump. Germany decided to take a hard globalist turn and demand that a European Army be formed in response to Trump waking much of the world up to the evils of globalism. Germany knows that if it goes too far with this European Army plan, it '''will''' end up at war with the United States. Hence why it is now trying to play the "Russia is (not really) my ally" card. Germany at this point considers Russia to be a lesser evil than the United States, and is trying to get Russia to side with Germany should war break out over the European Army plan. Hitler employed the same strategy when he concluded that the USSR was a lesser evil than Britain and France. Fortunately, Hitler's plan failed. Let's hope Merkel's does, too. If and when the US and Russia normalize relations, let's hope containing Merkel's Germany is one of the main agendas on the table. --[[User:James Kardys|James Kardys]] ([[User talk:James Kardys|talk]]) 14:48, 21 April 2018 (EDT) |
| | ::::::::Exactly my point. Germany is more attuned to an alliance with Russia than the globalists who control NATO are. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 15:08, 21 April 2018 (EDT) | | ::::::::Exactly my point. Germany is more attuned to an alliance with Russia than the globalists who control NATO are. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 15:08, 21 April 2018 (EDT) |
| | + | :::::::::Germany is not attuned to an alliance with either the US or Russia. Deep down, it despises both. It is fed up with 70+ years of those two countries being the only countries capable of dominating the continent. It wants to go back the pre-1945 era, where Germany was just as big of a player on the continent as the US and Russia were then and are today. The EU globalist bureaucracy is all for this, because it means more control over the increasingly restless European populations. Trump strongly opposes this, and has publicly warned the EU on at least one occasion to not go through with it. The Deep State globalists are divided on this, because some elements have interests in Germany, while others don't. Russia is divided on this as well, because it wants to counter American influence in Europe, but it doesn't want an all-powerful Germany dominating the continent. |
| | + | :::::::::If war between the US and Germany does break out over this European Army project, it will not be a war between globalism and nationalism. It will be a war between a hegemon and its client state. The "globalism vs. nationalism" narrative will go out the window because different groups of globalists and nationalists will form unholy alliances to support one side in the name of common interests. In that event, who would you support? --[[User:James Kardys|James Kardys]] ([[User talk:James Kardys|talk]]) 15:23 21 April 2018 (EDT) |
| | :::::Germany has no commander in chief of its armed forces. The German military is not under the control of the German government (although the German taxpayer pays for it). The German General Staff is fully integrated into NATO's command structure. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 14:43, 21 April 2018 (EDT) | | :::::Germany has no commander in chief of its armed forces. The German military is not under the control of the German government (although the German taxpayer pays for it). The German General Staff is fully integrated into NATO's command structure. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 14:43, 21 April 2018 (EDT) |
| | ::::::I don't mind Germany controlling its own military. I '''do''' mind Germany attempting to control the militaries of other countries, much less all of Europe, under the EU banner. --[[User:James Kardys|James Kardys]] ([[User talk:James Kardys|talk]]) 14:49, 21 April 2018 (EDT) | | ::::::I don't mind Germany controlling its own military. I '''do''' mind Germany attempting to control the militaries of other countries, much less all of Europe, under the EU banner. --[[User:James Kardys|James Kardys]] ([[User talk:James Kardys|talk]]) 14:49, 21 April 2018 (EDT) |
| | :::::::For the Germans to ever be in control of their own military, you'd have to remove NATO, the German Constitution, and the German state. It's never going to happen democratically at the ballot box. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 15:07, 21 April 2018 (EDT) | | :::::::For the Germans to ever be in control of their own military, you'd have to remove NATO, the German Constitution, and the German state. It's never going to happen democratically at the ballot box. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 15:07, 21 April 2018 (EDT) |
| | + | :::::::::You're right. It won't happen democratically. The EU bureaucracy will see to it that this happens on its own nefarious terms. --[[User:James Kardys|James Kardys]] ([[User talk:James Kardys|talk]]) 15:23, 21 April 2018 (EDT) |
| | :Secondly, Why should the EU have two votes in the UN Security Council while the US, Russia, and China have only one? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 13:16, 21 April 2018 (EDT) | | :Secondly, Why should the EU have two votes in the UN Security Council while the US, Russia, and China have only one? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 13:16, 21 April 2018 (EDT) |
| | :: Better yet, why should the EU have any votes in the UN Security Council at all, when it is basically run by a non-member? --[[User:James Kardys|James Kardys]] ([[User talk:James Kardys|talk]]) 13:21, 21 April 2018 (EDT) | | :: Better yet, why should the EU have any votes in the UN Security Council at all, when it is basically run by a non-member? --[[User:James Kardys|James Kardys]] ([[User talk:James Kardys|talk]]) 13:21, 21 April 2018 (EDT) |