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| | : Saying that the book was burned implies that the only copy was lost. It was not. Copies were readily available to other scholars.[[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 15:31, 3 May 2007 (EDT) | | : Saying that the book was burned implies that the only copy was lost. It was not. Copies were readily available to other scholars.[[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 15:31, 3 May 2007 (EDT) |
| | ::Copies of the book were burned, according to several reputable sources. It's obvious that some survived, but the point was that some were burned at the instructions of the Church. Unless you can come up with some reasonable evidence that they weren't, this point should go back in.--[[User:Britinme|Britinme]] 18:41, 3 May 2007 (EDT) | | ::Copies of the book were burned, according to several reputable sources. It's obvious that some survived, but the point was that some were burned at the instructions of the Church. Unless you can come up with some reasonable evidence that they weren't, this point should go back in.--[[User:Britinme|Britinme]] 18:41, 3 May 2007 (EDT) |
| | + | ::: So how many copies were burned? Who owned those copies? [[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 20:43, 3 May 2007 (EDT) |
| | : The Bible was just one of many reasons for thinking that the Earth was at the center. Any statement that it was the only reason, or even the main reason, is just wrong.[[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 15:31, 3 May 2007 (EDT) | | : The Bible was just one of many reasons for thinking that the Earth was at the center. Any statement that it was the only reason, or even the main reason, is just wrong.[[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 15:31, 3 May 2007 (EDT) |
| | ::Would you like to come up with some evidence for that statement? It is a widely held view, and if you are going to dispute it you ought to be able to cite some evidence in support of your position.--[[User:Britinme|Britinme]] 18:41, 3 May 2007 (EDT) | | ::Would you like to come up with some evidence for that statement? It is a widely held view, and if you are going to dispute it you ought to be able to cite some evidence in support of your position.--[[User:Britinme|Britinme]] 18:41, 3 May 2007 (EDT) |
| | + | ::: The main reason was the success of the Ptolemaic system, and that had nothing to do with the Bible. [[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 20:43, 3 May 2007 (EDT) |
| | : It is okay to say what was being banned or denounced, as long as it says what was really being banned or denounced. [[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 15:31, 3 May 2007 (EDT) | | : It is okay to say what was being banned or denounced, as long as it says what was really being banned or denounced. [[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 15:31, 3 May 2007 (EDT) |
| | ::I think I made it clear that what was being denounced was the treating of Copernicus' theories as if they were real rather than hypothetical.--[[User:Britinme|Britinme]] 18:41, 3 May 2007 (EDT) | | ::I think I made it clear that what was being denounced was the treating of Copernicus' theories as if they were real rather than hypothetical.--[[User:Britinme|Britinme]] 18:41, 3 May 2007 (EDT) |
| | + | ::: Is it clear enough now? [[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 20:43, 3 May 2007 (EDT) |
| | : The idea that Galileo invented the scientific method is just nonsense. [[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 15:31, 3 May 2007 (EDT) | | : The idea that Galileo invented the scientific method is just nonsense. [[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 15:31, 3 May 2007 (EDT) |
| | ::As far as I know, Bacon's version of the scientific method, although certainly revolutionary for his period, was not based on mathematics and measurement in the same way as Galileo's. However, we can compromise on the wording and say Galileo 'is often regarded' is the inventor of the scientific method. I don't think Bacon was concerned with falsifiability, which is fairly central to Galileo - after all, he started by questioning Aristotle, using experiment and observation to do so.--[[User:Britinme|Britinme]] 18:41, 3 May 2007 (EDT) | | ::As far as I know, Bacon's version of the scientific method, although certainly revolutionary for his period, was not based on mathematics and measurement in the same way as Galileo's. However, we can compromise on the wording and say Galileo 'is often regarded' is the inventor of the scientific method. I don't think Bacon was concerned with falsifiability, which is fairly central to Galileo - after all, he started by questioning Aristotle, using experiment and observation to do so.--[[User:Britinme|Britinme]] 18:41, 3 May 2007 (EDT) |
| | + | ::: No, it is not okay to say that Galileo is often regarded as having invented the scientific method unless it also says that it is false. There are a lot of goofy stories about Galileo, and we don't want to just repeat myths. [[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 20:43, 3 May 2007 (EDT) |
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| | ::Surely the scientific method is traditionally credited to Roger Bacon, some centuries earlier? (I.e. I'm agreeing...) [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 15:45, 3 May 2007 (EDT) | | ::Surely the scientific method is traditionally credited to Roger Bacon, some centuries earlier? (I.e. I'm agreeing...) [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 15:45, 3 May 2007 (EDT) |
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| | :Sorry I reverted without explanation, RSchlafly, but since you removed much of the previous editor's work, or modified it heavily, without comment, I figured it was proper for me to do the same. I treated your unexplained changes as mere vandalism, so of course I reverted them after finding them to be erroneous, and I assumed no further discussion was necessary.-[[User:BillBuck|BillBuck]] 18:47, 3 May 2007 (EDT) | | :Sorry I reverted without explanation, RSchlafly, but since you removed much of the previous editor's work, or modified it heavily, without comment, I figured it was proper for me to do the same. I treated your unexplained changes as mere vandalism, so of course I reverted them after finding them to be erroneous, and I assumed no further discussion was necessary.-[[User:BillBuck|BillBuck]] 18:47, 3 May 2007 (EDT) |
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| | + | :: I corrected a number of errors, and left in what was not in errror. If you think that something is now in error, then please explain here. [[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 20:43, 3 May 2007 (EDT) |