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:John McCain is a petty, vindictive and unreliable man. He is a war hero though. McCain let his anger at Trump get the best of him (Trump's comment on his military service). I suppose this isn't the first or last time that a person of Irish descent let their anger get the best of them. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:08, 31 May 2018 (EDT)
:John McCain is a petty, vindictive and unreliable man. He is a war hero though. McCain let his anger at Trump get the best of him (Trump's comment on his military service). I suppose this isn't the first or last time that a person of Irish descent let their anger get the best of them. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:08, 31 May 2018 (EDT)
::Cons, my friend, a couple of points. (You know me well enough to know when I'm reaming you out and when I'm just disagreeing, right? This is the latter.)
::*It's true that McCain's recent vote on healthcare was the opposite of what you, and many others, had hoped for. But people change their position between their campaigns and their final votes all the time. If everyone was required to vote exactly the way they campaigned, they wouldn't bother to hold votes in Congress. On the first day of the session, they would just enact into law whatever people had indicated they would do while they were running for office, no? Then they could all go home. In reality, they hold committee hearings, they hold conferences, they try to reach consensus, they try to persuade their colleagues ("log-rolling", I believe it's called), they rewrite the proposed legislation again and again and again, trying to get it into a form that will pass the voting. What people vote on is often not what the issues were perceived to be when they were campaigning. You really shouldn't call McCain unreliable for this. (By the way, I'm kind of neutral on this issue, and I haven't compared McCain's vote with what the issue was when he was campaigning.) I'm sorry that his vote disappointed you, but these things happen. That's why we have a Congress.
::*Petty and vindictive? Are you suggesting that he voted that way because of personal animosity at President Trump? That his "anger ... got the best of him?" Really? His anger over the "I want people who weren't shot down" comment from a year before is what led to his vote? Can you back up that connection with some statements of his?
::*I know you are not a bigot, but the reference to people of Irish descent was unnecessary. People occasionally let their anger get the best of them all the time. And I doubt that it's related to being Irish. (Though, truth to tell, this isn't the first time I've heard a statement like that.) I don't associate irascibility with being Irish. BTW, I'm not Irish, and I'm pretty sure you aren't either. Just say that he let his anger get the best of him. Though I don't think it did.
::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:14, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
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